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This is based on the book of the same name, by Marion Zimmer Bradley, I think. I think the book came out in the early 90s when there was a bit of a rush on Arthurian stuff, if I remember correctly. It is an interesting, feminist take on the story- told from the viewpoints of the two main female characters. I really enjoyed the book, and the movie was not bad either. Enjoy!

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I not only have the movie (just watched it again last weekend) but there is a series of books that work up to Mists of Avalon. Last month Sword of Avalon came out also. Marion Zimmer Bradley passed a few years back, but put Diana Paxson in charge of contining the saga of Avalon and I think she does a marvelous job!

 

If you want to chek out the other books in the Avalon series, go to Amazon and put in the authors name and you will see the whole series.

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I tried to read MoA once and had to force myself to finish it. My main rememberance of the book is the desire to slap all the main women-characters senseless, lol. Don't remember why but for some reason they all annoyed the shit out of me, which is rather unusual for me. I felt like they were whiney women (a pet peeve of mine - I hate whining). Perhaps I was just going through something weird when I read it, but that was my main thought throughout the book... a bunch of subservant women lamenting things and longing for something else and doing totally jack shit about their lot in life. (OKay, it has been like 8 or more years since I looked at it, lol...)

 

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I tried to read MoA once and had to force myself to finish it. My main rememberance of the book is the desire to slap all the main women-characters senseless, lol. Don't remember why but for some reason they all annoyed the shit out of me, which is rather unusual for me. I felt like they were whiney women (a pet peeve of mine - I hate whining). Perhaps I was just going through something weird when I read it, but that was my main thought throughout the book... a bunch of subservant women lamenting things and longing for something else and doing totally jack shit about their lot in life. (OKay, it has been like 8 or more years since I looked at it, lol...)

 

M

 

The earlier books are better, MoA is set when their tradition is coming to an end and Christianity is taking over.

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I tried to read MoA once and had to force myself to finish it. My main rememberance of the book is the desire to slap all the main women-characters senseless, lol. Don't remember why but for some reason they all annoyed the shit out of me, which is rather unusual for me. I felt like they were whiney women (a pet peeve of mine - I hate whining). Perhaps I was just going through something weird when I read it, but that was my main thought throughout the book... a bunch of subservant women lamenting things and longing for something else and doing totally jack shit about their lot in life. (OKay, it has been like 8 or more years since I looked at it, lol...)

 

Well done you! I never finished it; I just couldn't stomach it, to be honest.

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Read this book, it was alright. If you're drawn to Arthurian legends and myths, I found these books historically fascinating. The Camulod Chronicles by Jack Whyte.

 

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Gypsy

 

Edited: Just so you all know, it's a different take. This prior to the legends of Arthur, when Rome occupied Britain.

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I would have liked the movie better had they not played Loreena McKennitt on repeat throughout the whole film. I mean, I love McKennitt. I have a lot of her albums, including the song in question. But you HAVE to groan every time it blacks out and returns to that same DAMNED scene with Morgaine crossing over to Avalon, with that same part of the song playing! >.< It gets...repetitive.

 

I haven't read any of the books. I thought the story was okay. I found Viviane highly irritating. pinch.gif

 

"It is the Goddess' will that YOU blah blah blah and I blah blah blah!"

 

Seriously...it's as if the concept of a male god barely touched this movie, and OH do I feel like an atheist hypocrite by defending a male god!

 

Okay, I'm done venting. vhappywitch.gif

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I would have liked the movie better had they not played Loreena McKennitt on repeat throughout the whole film. I mean, I love McKennitt. I have a lot of her albums, including the song in question. But you HAVE to groan every time it blacks out and returns to that same DAMNED scene with Morgaine crossing over to Avalon, with that same part of the song playing! >.< It gets...repetitive.

 

I haven't read any of the books. I thought the story was okay. I found Viviane highly irritating. pinch.gif

 

"It is the Goddess' will that YOU blah blah blah and I blah blah blah!"

 

Seriously...it's as if the concept of a male god barely touched this movie, and OH do I feel like an atheist hypocrite by defending a male god!

 

Okay, I'm done venting. vhappywitch.gif

 

When I took a couple of courses on Aurthurian Legend, the instructor recomended this book, BUT made sure to point out that it had a highly femminist take aswell as being a different take on the myth itself. All that said, I have never read it. I do think that the book would be better than any movie they made as that is usually the case.

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I read the book in the nineties when it first came out and enjoyed the read for what it was. Another take on the Arthur story.

I have'nt seen the film so could'nt comment, but I would'nt mind watching it out of interest. Not much chance at the moment though, there's too much to do out and about this time of year.

One for the winter months maybe.

 

 

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When I took a couple of courses on Aurthurian Legend, the instructor recomended this book, BUT made sure to point out that it had a highly femminist take aswell as being a different take on the myth itself. All that said, I have never read it. I do think that the book would be better than any movie they made as that is usually the case.

 

Perhaps that is what I didn't like about it - the complete feminist-view goddess is all god is sperm doner take. I have nothing against feminists and believe very much in equal rights, but I despise portrayals of "wounded women" who live lives of self-martyrs to selfishly validate their own pain and use it as an excuse for drowning in it. I just lose patience and slap the shit out of them. Physician, heal thyself and stop crying on my fucking shoulder! (okay, I'm ranting, lol. As my last gf said to me "well you're just not Florence fucking Nightengale, are you?)

 

But there wasn't a world-wide goddess rules culture - that is a misconception fed by books like this. There were some clutures led by a goddess-centered religioin, but it wasn't a world-wide big bad patrichary did this to us, sob, sob, weep, weep. Traditional witchcraft that involved gods was actually usually more god-oriented than goddess oriented. This book to me just makes me feel like I am lost in some neo-pagen feminist take of the Arthurian myths that isn't even a reclaiming of power but is merely a lamenting and drowning in self pity. And I have neither the time nor the patience for anyone who does that. Shit happens. Get over it. You have three days to have a good cry then get up and get on or I will kick the shit out of you. How the hell anyone who crumples in a heep of sorrow, all magic forgotten, looking for rescue can be considered a witch is beyond me. (And that's for people I love. For people I couldn't care less about I just walk away.)

 

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Perhaps that is what I didn't like about it - the complete feminist-view goddess is all god is sperm doner take. I have nothing against feminists and believe very much in equal rights, but I despise portrayals of "wounded women" who live lives of self-martyrs to selfishly validate their own pain and use it as an excuse for drowning in it. I just lose patience and slap the shit out of them. Physician, heal thyself and stop crying on my fucking shoulder! (okay, I'm ranting, lol. As my last gf said to me "well you're just not Florence fucking Nightengale, are you?) :roflhard:

 

But there wasn't a world-wide goddess rules culture - that is a misconception fed by books like this. There were some clutures led by a goddess-centered religioin, but it wasn't a world-wide big bad patrichary did this to us, sob, sob, weep, weep. Traditional witchcraft that involved gods was actually usually more god-oriented than goddess oriented. This book to me just makes me feel like I am lost in some neo-pagen feminist take of the Arthurian myths that isn't even a reclaiming of power but is merely a lamenting and drowning in self pity. And I have neither the time nor the patience for anyone who does that. Shit happens. Get over it. You have three days to have a good cry then get up and get on or I will kick the shit out of you. How the hell anyone who crumples in a heep of sorrow, all magic forgotten, looking for rescue can be considered a witch is beyond me. (And that's for people I love. For people I couldn't care less about I just walk away.)

 

M

 

 

I hold the same impatience for feminist nonsense. To me, feminists come off as whiny and weak when they claim the title of strong woman. If you're a strong woman you will lead by example, take your lumps and move on, and not whine to the men and the rest of us that life is not fair.

 

As for the book, we are in new age times and there is alot of neo pagan crap out there and the audience to suck it up. I have no desire to read this book as I am quite familiar with Aurthurian Legend and see no reason to muddle my knowledge with this book. I decided when I was 18 I was not ever going to read it as I was turned off by the way my instructor described it and I stand by that.

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Perhaps that is what I didn't like about it - the complete feminist-view goddess is all god is sperm doner take. I have nothing against feminists and believe very much in equal rights, but I despise portrayals of "wounded women" who live lives of self-martyrs to selfishly validate their own pain and use it as an excuse for drowning in it. I just lose patience and slap the shit out of them. Physician, heal thyself and stop crying on my fucking shoulder! (okay, I'm ranting, lol. As my last gf said to me "well you're just not Florence fucking Nightengale, are you?)

 

But there wasn't a world-wide goddess rules culture - that is a misconception fed by books like this. There were some clutures led by a goddess-centered religioin, but it wasn't a world-wide big bad patrichary did this to us, sob, sob, weep, weep. Traditional witchcraft that involved gods was actually usually more god-oriented than goddess oriented. This book to me just makes me feel like I am lost in some neo-pagen feminist take of the Arthurian myths that isn't even a reclaiming of power but is merely a lamenting and drowning in self pity. And I have neither the time nor the patience for anyone who does that. Shit happens. Get over it. You have three days to have a good cry then get up and get on or I will kick the shit out of you. How the hell anyone who crumples in a heep of sorrow, all magic forgotten, looking for rescue can be considered a witch is beyond me. (And that's for people I love. For people I couldn't care less about I just walk away.)

 

M

 

You're singing my song, Michele Baby!!!! I share your extremely low tolerance for pathetic, piss-and-moan people, whether male or female, but as a women, I get really pissed off when a woman plays the "poor me" game. I mean, for crying-out-fucking-loud haven't women played the damsels in distress, submissive doormats for long enough? Any one of us may at any time find ourselves in an extremely horrible situation (partner violence, rape, incest, etc.) In those situations, being emotionally and psychologically screwed up is perfectly understandable, but even the most terrifying history can be overcome. So, when anyone chooses to wallow (sp?) in self-pity and negativity, because life isn't fair, I want to slap the shit out of them, too.

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I just want to add that the Medieval damsel in distress in Victorian bollocks. Women back then had a lot of power and had to be able to handle themselves. The mother of Robert the Bruce owned a castle, she was out riding one day, saw a guy she liked, kidnapped him and locked him in the castle for a month before he agreed to marry her! When you are at risk of rape and pillage you can't place all your trust in a man to save you.

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Has anyone else seen thsi one. I was given a copy :thinking:

 

It's another story of Arthur but quite captivating I thought. Not sure how old it is but very watchable.

 

I felt it is original, based on the book, The Mists of Avalon, I think... I believe after seeing it that it is a more believable Arthurian Legend. I liked it.

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I loved the book, didn't care much for the movie. But, I am like that with most books made into movies.... they just can't compare. I am a big fan of stories about kings & castles and everything that goes with them. This book was just another take on that, told from a different angle. I keep meaning to read the rest of the series, but I never quite get there.

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It is what it is I think. I quite like the movie but then I do love the overly fictionalised sweeping romantic ideal of the Middle Ages. Its an interesting epic, with a different perspective of dark age/medieval paganism or folk practices (yes yes probably not the technical term, don't snap my head off). I'm not completely offended by the women-as-victims thing going on because powerful Priestess or not, back then women were chattel. They had no real rights, no real control over their destiny so an independant, strong willed, opinionated woman back then would have got the shit slapped out of her and put in her 'place' by a man.

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The book came out in 1982.

 

I read it back then (I was 15) and liked it. That's because I was 15 I guess. I read it again this year and I was annoyed by the heavy-handed goddess agenda and the character of Viviane. She really, really needed a slap. And all that mooning by Morgaine over Lancelot made me sick. BUT...there was something about it that made me want to see the movie, so I bought it used for like £2. I watched about 45 minutes of it and quit. Ah well.

 

Still, I liked it enough to be interested in reading the sequels. Maybe one day. :)

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