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I'd tell myself that not everything I read is Truth and not everything I hear is gospel. I'd also tell myself to trust myself and my intuition more and to be a little more adventuresome. Oh yea, and I can think of a few books I could tell myself to buy back then, lol.

 

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This is some advice that I am still telling myself to follow:

 

"Don't shy away from witchcraft, embrace it. Let the universe know that you're here and put yourself out there. Bad things will happen but so will good things too, just be sure to try your best, be prepared and always follow your intuition no matter how crazy it may be at times. And never try to organise things (don't plan what to do, just do it!), sometimes there is order within chaos."

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Which books?

 

Books on North Country folk tales, mainly. I should have been more explicit - I made it sound like I knew of some specific titles, but I don't, sorry; but I know there were books about Yorkshire and Durham counties that told of olf folk tales and local customs.

 

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Don't. Look. Back.

 

Don't apologize for your decision or your path.

 

Wander all you want, but don't expect "the answer," only clues.

 

Follow your intuition and your curiosity.

 

Forget the labels. They don't matter. Really - they don't.

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Don't. Look. Back. <~~~~~~ :applause:

 

Don't apologize for your decision or your path.

 

Wander all you want, but don't expect "the answer," only clues. <~~~~~ :applause:

 

Follow your intuition and your curiosity.

 

Forget the labels. They don't matter. Really - they don't.

 

 

Here Here ! :applause:

 

Regards,

Gypsy

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I would tell myself to slooooow down, not everything has to be learned and understood all at once. Take your time and don't force it.

 

 

I'm still a newb, but I have to keep reminding myself of this. I don't need to rush this. And the stuff I stick with, mostly comes so easily, and just falls into place. Anything that feels forced is usually something I later abandon.

 

Unlike with Christianity, it it feel bad I can skip it, and if it feels good I can embrace it. I can trust myself instead of fighting myself.

 

I've only got 3 years of experience in this, so don't have much information yet for my totally newb self.

 

You know, it's funny, but the ultraconservative Amish and Mennonites now tell their seekers to take things slowly. The best successful conversions are among the slow and steady converts, and the over exuberant ones are almost never around 10 years later. Previously in Christianity, and now in witchcraft, I've learned not to put the cart before the horse. Some things really need to be tackled in a certain order, if you don't wan to run yourself over.

 

 

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Don't. Look. Back.

 

Holy shit! Chills! I know this is a pointless post and totally OT but this has to do with something I tapped into while doing NaNo. Then I came and read that and it hit me all over again. Whew! Thanks for that, Abhainn.

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Hmm, I think I'd tell a very young self not to be afraid when 'things' happened to me in my parents cellar.. Well that's one thing anyway :)

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Stop looking for that teacher, you have always, always had them and found them when you needed to.

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Never be regretful of something you've explored that didn't work out for you becuase no time is ever truly wasted - everything is always a lesson and growth.

 

M

 

Dear Michele,

 

I really love this phrase, as I feel it is so encouraging for those of us who have spent years trying to follow a religion that was not feeding our soul with the nutrients it needs, and that was not acknowledging the lifeforce flowing through us. Though I still carried with me a lot of baggage when I arrived here, especially the fear of djinn, I must say that have always felt welcome and valued here, got the help I needed to get rid of my fears, and I know that this phrase is adhered to by all the lovely people (like yourself) I have encountered here so far. For that, I say "thank you!".

 

 

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My advice for anyone starting out - especially if they have left the shackles of organised religion - would be: start by reading "the Way of Wyrd" to open your mind, and free your soul. To gain knowledge and to be careful about what books you buy, as lots look like Trad. W. but are actually Wiccan! wallbash.gif

 

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My advice for anyone starting out - especially if they have left the shackles of organised religion - would be: start by reading "the Way of Wyrd" to open your mind, and free your soul. To gain knowledge and to be careful about what books you buy, as lots look like Trad. W. but are actually Wiccan! wallbash.gif

 

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Heks,

 

I can appreciate that you like the "Way of Wyrd", but what specifically about this book prompts you to recommend reading it first. I haven't read it, so I really don't know. For example, why do you consider it an appropriate read for someone moving away from organized religion? Just curious.

 

Also, I agree that one needs to be careful what books they buy, but there really aren't that many books about Traditional Witchcraft. That's OK, though, as the Craft must be experienced, not theorized, anyway.

 

J

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I know the question was directed at Heks but WoW was a book about a monk (or priest - I forget) who was sent to walk among the "heathens" and learn their ways and beliefs so it would be easier to convert them. He learned a bit more than he planned to, and actually came to have a great respect for and interaction with their ways. It's not for everyone, but a lot of work and research was put into it (the writer was a psychologist who studied the time period including many herbals not readily available to everyone and he wrote it including the psychological perspective of the period as best he would figure it out). Anyway, it was a very worthy read - reads like a novel but with a lot of well-research folklore.

 

M

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I know the question was directed at Heks but WoW was a book about a monk (or priest - I forget) who was sent to walk among the "heathens" and learn their ways and beliefs so it would be easier to convert them. . . .

M

 

Thank you for that synopsis, Michele. Sounds like an interesting book.

 

:) Jevne

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Dear younger me,

 

My advice would be to forget the books. They are helpful, but the way you are, you learn so much faster by being out there doing it. Everything I have read so far you have already figured out, its just validation and deeper thought at this point.

 

Dont shut yourself in your room, closing out the world because you are an angry teenager. The whole point of this path is to connect to the world and learn how to manipulate the fabric of this world for your benefit. No matter what the books say, you wont figure that out shut up in your room with candles.

 

You wont find "mister right", right off the bat so just have fun and work on you and its not worth the tears to take everything so seriously. Also, teenagers have no idea about how the world works, let alone how to manipulate it for their benefit, they are all just as clueless as you are so don't follow anyone.

 

Beware: predators are everywhere. They have exploited every niche, even witchcraft.

 

Dont fear. That thing you are most of afraid of feeds on it. She will go away once you overcome your fear. You wont be alone in this.

 

Listen to that voice. You are not schizo. That voice has saved your life many times, some you are not even aware of.

 

You are unique. Many others can not, and will not understand you. This is a good thing. It allows you to be free.

 

You will go through times of unbalance, of being too light and good and too dark and nasty. Balance yourself or you will become very ill and vulnerable to things unseen. You can do nothing effective on this path if you are not balanced.

 

Follow the sign posts and your internal GPS. They are there for a reason.

 

Stop being so damn stubborn. Because you are, you will ignore all of this. Even though the voice has told you all of this already.

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Heks,

 

I can appreciate that you like the "Way of Wyrd", but what specifically about this book prompts you to recommend reading it first. I haven't read it, so I really don't know. For example, why do you consider it an appropriate read for someone moving away from organized religion? Just curious.

 

Also, I agree that one needs to be careful what books they buy, but there really aren't that many books about Traditional Witchcraft. That's OK, though, as the Craft must be experienced, not theorized, anyway.

 

J

 

Hiya Jevne,

 

I only just found this message, as I forgot to press the "watch topic" button! biggrin.gif

 

Firstly, I absolutely adore the WoW because it made me understand the world from a different perspective. It talks about the lifeforce, the soul, the blood, the runes, the gods and godesses of Anglo-Saxon times, the web, the wyrd sisters and the wyrd. Through the story, I have become familiarised with the idea that life is being written at every moment, as we live it.

a few ideas/excerpts from the WoW which made me think: (my copy of the WoW is published by Hay House in 2004)

1. eventually, humans will dissapear, which I derive from the following excerpt from the book: "Eventually people will have to make way for the tiny creatures that crawl about in our mattresses" page 46.

2. the sorcerer Wulf says "A woman will draw the life-energy from you and sap your strength", page 60, which made me laugh!

3. the idea of smearing blood along the stems and leaves of plants one takes out of their natural environment (page 63). Wulf says "The blood is your sacrifice to the plant" (page 64). also: "plants carry life-force as potent as any person" (page 65).

4. Spirits "have access to the gods and the Underworld" (page 71).

5. "we ourselves are part of wyrd and cannot stand back to observe it" (page 83). This makes me think about the theories of predestination and the WoW does away with that.

6. "the soul is like a shadow and the sorcerer is able to detach the soul from the body and journey amongst the spirits" (page 111)

7. spearwort is said to increase one's lifeforce. When the monk, Brand, lost his soul (taken by spirits), Wulf gave him spearwort to try to give him the energy needed to travel amongst spirits to try to retrieve it.

8. "...all the patterns of wyrd are present in the body in the same way as they are present in the sun, moon and stars" (page 196).

 

Secondly, I bought Jeanette Ellis' book "Forbidden Rites - Your Complete introduction to Traditional Witchcraft" on Amazon and she has made a lot of effort to convey her knowledge in this book, but the use of "blessed be" and "merry meet" means that the book is written for Wicca practitioners as well, which is fine, of course, but the title is a little bit misleading for a novice like me! No offence to the author, of course, and the book is very informative.

 

Kind regards,

 

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Hiya Jevne,

Secondly, I bought Jeanette Ellis' book "Forbidden Rites - Your Complete introduction to Traditional Witchcraft" on Amazon and she has made a lot of effort to convey her knowledge in this book, but the use of "blessed be" and "merry meet" means that the book is written for Wicca practitioners as well, which is fine, of course, but the title is a little bit misleading for a novice like me! No offence to the author, of course, and the book is very informative.

 

Kind regards,

 

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Heks,

 

Jeanette Ellis's book has absolutely nothing at all, zero, zip, zilch, to do with Traditional Witchcraft, so there is no "as well" about it. Putting the words, Traditional Witchcraft, in the title does not a book about Trad Craft make. For starters, there is nothing forbidden in the book. It's the same old crap written in every other wiccan book on the planet, including god/goddess, wheel of the year, elementals, etc. It is also poorly written and historically misleading and inaccurate. For example, poor, illiterate farmers weren't and aren't the only practitioners. In fact, I don't quite understand why so many new age authors have to make a point of mentioning that; like being down-trodden is a prerequisite for being a Witch. The author's definitions and explanations are also either totally wrong or down-right fucking ridiculous, like the definition of Hedge Witch on page 20. Not to mention the Paganism tree on page 21. Ugh!! Also, in case you are reading the book and taking notes, Traditional Witchcraft doesn't have degrees or worship the god/goddess or do anything that the author claims.

 

Should have saved your money.

 

Jevne

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Heks,

 

Jeanette Ellis's book has absolutely nothing at all, zero, zip, zilch, to do with Traditional Witchcraft, so there is no "as well" about it. Putting the words, Traditional Witchcraft, in the title does not a book about Trad Craft make. For starters, there is nothing forbidden in the book. It's the same old crap written in every other wiccan book on the planet, including god/goddess, wheel of the year, elementals, etc. It is also poorly written and historically misleading and inaccurate. For example, poor, illiterate farmers weren't and aren't the only practitioners. In fact, I don't quite understand why so many new age authors have to make a point of mentioning that; like being down-trodden is a prerequisite for being a Witch. The author's definitions and explanations are also either totally wrong or down-right fucking ridiculous, like the definition of Hedge Witch on page 20. Not to mention the Paganism tree on page 21. Ugh!! Also, in case you are reading the book and taking notes, Traditional Witchcraft doesn't have degrees or worship the god/goddess or do anything that the author claims.

 

Should have saved your money.

 

Jevne

 

Dear Jevne,

 

 

I was thinking the same things as you; all this very organised ritual she talks about, all this talk about gods and godesses, that is just her opinion, isn't it. I do not worship any deity as I enjoy the freedom of not having to do so, lol!

 

I know that the real thing is encapsulated in books like those written by Gemma Gary and yes, I should have saved my money!

 

I learned from this book by J. Ellis that there are people out there who believe this is what TW should be, and I see it as a good reason not to try to join a coven or anything like that, as I would not be able to stand people telling me that their way is the only way and I would make myself a lot of enemies, lol! I like the freedom that pervades this forum and I feel totally free to experiment with spellwork as and how I see fit, wearing whatever I want and I am happy doing that.

 

I very much doubt that contacting "deities" will ever open up the spirit world and allow contact with spirits, and the fact that I could see that this book did not ring true is a good thing!

 

Thank you so much, I appreciate you telling me not to take notice of what this book says; I did realise it was not what I wanted, once I opened it for the first time! And it is full of spelling mistakes, lol!

 

Kind regards,

Many thanks,

 

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... that there are people out there who believe this is what TW should be, and I see it as a good reason not to try to join a coven or anything like that, as I would not be able to stand people telling me that their way is the only way and I would make myself a lot of enemies, lol! ...

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One thing I would suggest is to remember that anyone practicing any form of the craft (including on here) believes to an extent that their way is the correct way - if they didn't they wouldn't be practicing in that way, lol!!!! So the trick is to find the way that seems and feels right for you. Also, in coven work, assuming one would only join a coven whose ways one agreed with then one wouldn't be at issue with the way the coven worked. So again, it is what rings true for you, personally. And you may well change your own beliefs and perspectives many times - that is very usual today where people have to find the path themselves rather than being intruduced through the culture in which they live. It is also one reason many leave the path, becuase the culture of today does not support it.

 

M

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One thing I would suggest is to remember that anyone practicing any form of the craft (including on here) believes to an extent that their way is the correct way - if they didn't they wouldn't be practicing in that way, lol!!!! So the trick is to find the way that seems and feels right for you. Also, in coven work, assuming one would only join a coven whose ways one agreed with then one wouldn't be at issue with the way the coven worked. So again, it is what rings true for you, personally. And you may well change your own beliefs and perspectives many times - that is very usual today where people have to find the path themselves rather than being intruduced through the culture in which they live. It is also one reason many leave the path, becuase the culture of today does not support it.

 

M

 

Dear Michele,

 

 

Yes, thank you; I am becoming aware of that as I read and digest and form my opinions. Some of us work with deities, others don't. I respect that completely. I was always treated respectfully on this forum and I wish to do the same.

 

I did not want to be too harsh regarding J. Ellis' book at first, because it will ring true for some people, and I wish to respect everybody's choices/beliefs. However, I do believe that the title is misleading, and I agree with Jevne. And honesty is very important. It is not a book about Traditional Witchcraft. It is a book about one person's path, and it does not feel like it deserves its title.

 

For me personally, at this moment in time, I do not feel the need to connect with a deity. However, I love reading about the ancient deities as they represent ideas which are valuable; we can learn from these stories. I particularly like the gods Odin, Thor and Freya. For me, the gods teach us about those who worship(ped) them!

The Way of Wyrd is more than a story for me, though, and even though there are gods in the WoW, I feel that the way they are portrayed is acceptable to me. Wulf clearly says he worships the sun, moon and stars but then he goes on to explain the intricacies of Wyrd to Brand and it all makes sense, to me. It seems that Wulf himself (yes, lol, I know it is a story but somehow the characters have taken life in my mind!) knows it is all "in the mind" so to speak, but that does not make it any less real!

 

The culture I live in here, in England, in a small town, is quite tolerant. But, of course, there are those who would wish to vilify Witchcraft and it is better to keep this to oneself! (says the girl with a Witch tattoo on her arm!). This path is one I looked into so many times but it always left me. Now I feel completely different; I look at the sky, the sun, the moon, the trees, the stones in a different light! I am becoming aware of the natural world. I see birds and I think of the Wyrd. I make connections I never made before. I am very lucky! I have left Islamic culture, and now I am free. If I lived in Belgium, my freedom would be less, as I'd have to conform more (for one, I would not be able to dress in all the colours of the rainbow as my mother only wears beige and grey!), and that is why I love living here, as I feel free to express my individuality in thought and action. When I started, I said I loved Witches. Now, I feel I am slowly becoming one, in thought and spirit, and sometimes in action (I regularly throw salt round in my house, speaking over it; I draw a tarot card daily and I muse and meander through the corridors of this wonderful forum as often as I can; I froze the blood on my tattoo-plaster and I sometimes feel like casting spells using a candle and leaves and other things (hehe)!)

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. For me, the gods teach us about those who worship(ped) them!

 

Kind regards,

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I agree that the WoW was an excellent book. It was one I very much enjoyed. It is well worth looking into the research and background of the man who wrote the WoW. He also wrote another book called "The Real Middle-Earth." It is not fictional as is WoW but is almost like a diary of the research he did for the book.

 

Yes, gods can teach us about the people who worked with them, but the cultures who worked with them can also teach us a lot about the diety worked with, especially the changes that happened to the diety itself within the structure of the culture and the culture's own evolution.

 

M

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I agree that the WoW was an excellent book. It was one I very much enjoyed. It is well worth looking into the research and background of the man who wrote the WoW. He also wrote another book called "The Real Middle-Earth." It is not fictional as is WoW but is almost like a diary of the research he did for the book.

 

Yes, gods can teach us about the people who worked with them, but the cultures who worked with them can also teach us a lot about the diety worked with, especially the changes that happened to the diety itself within the structure of the culture and the culture's own evolution.

 

M

 

Dear Michele,

I ordered "The Real Middle-Earth" and I do hope to get it very soon! Thank you for telling me about it!

That culture can affect and change deities is also interesting! Nothing is static; the Wyrd is being created at every moment and as the gods are part of the Wyrd... they also are changing!

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