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    It's been awhile since I've been in the forums, life and whatnot gets in the way so I thought I'd pop in and say hi and share some photos of my mandrakes - the first two are the sizeable Mandragora turcomanica I am growing (I have 5 but this is the biggest) and of my lone Mandragora officinalis root - I had to repot because the top was looking a bit half dead and the soil was quite wet (not from over watering but just general wet weather). So hi again all, hopefully I can become a little more active once again.
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    Trust your intuition - every single time. Know that you are so much stronger than you think you are. Tread carefully. You are leaving the safety of ignorance, and entering wilder territory. Centre yourself in your own work. Follow your own star. Craft is tools and techniques. Arte is your talents. You will develop your arte by practicing the craft. Get on with the witching work. Get on with the workings. Do the practice. Maintain a log of your practice. Write it down. The way that ye fall, shall be the way that ye rise. Thou Art Witch. Own it Sister. It's yours by blood and by rite.
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    Wytches crone, wytches fair Fire light and bodies bare Drum and rattle, spell and song Midnight shadows deep and long Stag and doe, owl and crow Summer reaps the Springtide sow From your crafting may we see Autumn's bounty soon to be.
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    I think that we are given a brain for a reason. Perhaps it is a question of balance, open heart/open mind. Follow your heart, but not off the cliff. Listen to common sense, but don't overthink. We know what right and wrong feel like and we understand consequences of action. You should follow your heart first, but let head help you avoid the fires and pointy things. I think both of these should be tempered by 'Gut'. Both Heart and Head can tempt destruction, Gut prevents it. Heart has a flair for the dramatic, not always helpful, but Heart loves play, which is necessary. Head kills artistic inspiration and causes self doubt, but can solve important problems. Gut has no tolerance for nonsense. Gut tells us not to eat poop or spiders and also has the ability to see through bullshit. So feel, think in equal amounts, but NEVER eat poop or spiders.
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    The fact that there's no instruction manual for TW is perhaps its most attractive quality. It can also be the most frustrating thing, especially for us newbs. I'm gonna quote RoseRed above and say "Look deeper". And while I think she was probably referring to the forums specifically, I'm going to advise to expand that to all areas of your life. Read deeper, search deeper, experience deeper, feel deeper, believe deeper. Go deeper in your connection to nature, into introspection, in exploring levels of consciousness, in reading history and folklore and religious texts. Go deeper into your family history, with your practice and rituals. Go deeper into your connection with spirits. It can be so frustrating when you are a solitary witch and people tell you "it's not about what's in the books". It can make me want to throw my hands up and say "then where am I supposed to find it?" But yet, I do end up finding the wisdom I need and precisely when I need it. Ask your ancestors or any spirits that you have a good relationship with to help you. They will show you exactly what how they want to be worked with and can lead you to new resources and teachers and experiences. Focus in on a couple of practices and become an expert on them rather then feeling like you have to become an expert at all aspects of traditional witchcraft in all traditions at once. You've got plenty of time to explore. It's not so much about what you read but how you read it. You're already learning how to think like witches of old...that's why Wicca didn't sit right with you. Your perspective is changing, as though you were able to step back a few feet and see a bigger picture than before. Dive into religious texts, historical documents and folklore with these new eyes. Study the culture of your ancestors, or whatever tradition speaks to you. Plus a couple of other trads for perspective. Find the common threads in beliefs and practices. Look to the shamans, or the healers, or the diviners and spirit workers and storytellers. They are present in almost every culture. Learn to be comfortable with metaphor and parables. It's good to study the history of the occult as well, even Gardner and Crowley and all that, even when it doesn't speak to you. You're not reading their works as a how-to guide, but learning about where they got their resources and why they set up their orders the way they did. Understanding the how's and whys will help you to know what parts of their teachings you can ditch, and which parts may have some wisdom for you. It's okay to take a deeper look at Wicca, as long you do it with your new eyes. Don't blindly follow anything someone tells you is fact...get to the bottom of things and see the big picture. The heart of Traditional Witchcraft is a connection to the ancient practices of witchcraft. You can come at it from many angles and cultural perspectives. But for the most part, there is no clear view of exactly what those ancient practices looked like, so we can gather evidence and piece it together (which is how most of our understanding of history is put together anyways). But we have the added bonus of being able to directly ask ancient spirits and teachers to help guide us on that hunt for wisdom, to help us navigate the sea of crap that is out there in modern occult teachings. It is a tedious process to dive deeper, but trust that the process is as valuable as the end of the journey.
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    Alice gets brushed each time she is fed. We call it, 'Taking a bit of fuss'. She prefers to be spoken to in a British accent, for she is a Tortie with proper English roots and her staff must comply with her very reasonable demands. She is not a Princess or a Diva, she merely 'is', and that is enough. She is not in the least bit spoiled or indulged...
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    I like to go to a park and be with trees, touch them, talk to them. It is too cold here yet to go barefoot, but in general I just try to ground myself in nature.
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    And just so you all know, I did the research & a familiar may be any animal or entity which shares a close bond with a practicioner - basically only YOU know if a particular creature is a familiar or not. Our beliefs create this world, what we "know" to be true is true only to us as individuals. There are no rules.
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    28" natural Blackthorn
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    I came across this article by Mat Auryn (author of the super popular Psychic Witch) today - he went around and interviewed basically the most famous Traditional Witches/authors, from Gemma Gary to Lee Morgan to Daniel Schulke, what books they'd recommend to someone curious about the Craft. They give detailed reasons so it's rather interesting. I'm familiar with some of these titles and I think they're great additions to a bookish witch's library at any level, I've added a few to my reading list! https://www.patheos.com/blogs/matauryn/2017/11/09/book-recommendations-trad-craft-witches/
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    I know that to some wands are fluff. Mine are a creative outlet for my magickal interests. Each is gathered as a fallen branch, smudged and charged under a full moon before hand carving begins. The type of wood is considered, and it's future use is determined. A harmony of minerals, colors, herbs, charms, feathers, bones, beads, shells etc. are chosen to create a tool of beauty and power to focus the energy of the user or to simply have a place in a collector's den. They have proven mildly profitable in shops throughout the country and into Canada, and maybe one day it will be my living. While wands are not my only artistic interest, they are my favorite.
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    I'd really like to know where different practitioners draw their lines, or if they have lines, on this topic. To be clear, I'm not talking about how many generations of witches you come from. If that is the case this topic will not probably apply to you. A lot of us from the States (and probably elsewhere too) are absolute genetic mutts if we are honest with ourselves. And of course there are not truly any "States" specific long standing traditions except a few very specific localized traditions like different forms of mountain magic, hoodoo, etc. And Wicca of course(cough). I know, for me what styles of practice speak to me in a "like calls to like way", not in a "it's cool because I like dream catchers" way. And In my personal experience, what speaks to you is not always your dominant genetic lineage. The areas that speak to me ARE part of my ancestry, but not the biggest piece of my DNA pie, so to speak. But, that's just me. I certainly think if your going to claim a culture or tradition, you'd best know it very well and respect it completely. I also think ancestor veneration and assistance are important. But beyond that I do not personally have a strong opinion. So, how do my fellow mutts determine what tradition or traditions to embrace? Do you consider yourself bound to your dominant DNA? or Is DNA not all that important? What about someone who was adopted from one culture and raised in another? Do some of you consider it cultural appropriation if a witch chooses to practice a tradition that they have little DNA attached to? Do you think this matters at all? or Do you think this is the foundation of one's practice?
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    When we begin to awaken we are very excited about our sharpened senses and intuition. Each "new level" we see, hear, taste and feel all the nuances of everything, as if we have been born anew. And even though it is absolutely delightful and valid to be happy about it and to enjoy these states, it is very important to let go of the excitement sooner than later. As long as you keep being excited and pay attention to every new detail, you keep getting lost in it and your progress will stagnant until you finally get used to everything "new". This can take years and years for some. Another problem with getting lost in details, signs and symbols and meaning is that it might get you into psychotic states, where you lose track of your main goal and the "base of reality" completely. It's like being swallowed by chaos and still trying to make sense of every shape and color that's flying around you. This might cost you your potential at some point. To make sure you progress as fast as it is possible and healthy for you, you need to learn the kind of discipline, where you let go of excitement, of your attachment to signs and meaning and identification with everything "magical" and extraordinary. Make it all, every crazy synchronicity or divine-Kundalini-alien-sex sensation (😅) feel absolutely ordinary, like everyday business that you barely pay attention to. That way your capacity to hold "divinity" will increase exponentially and you will still not be attached to anything it brings up personally.
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    "The fire you like so much in me is the mark of someone adamantly free" - Liz Phair (Strange Loop, from Exile in Guyville, 1993)
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    I did a replica oracle deck of the Mildred Payne Oracle, just because the pictures were childlike in style. They were made from brown postal tags, I just cut off the part with the hole. These four cards are of my own design, I think I posted the entire deck on my Art Post. Art of Onyx. As you can see there are 88 cards, plus you have to do 88 backs of the cards. I used a corner stamp and then stippled the edges with stamping ink, in a brown color.
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    The Catholic Church practices “magic” too, they just don’t call it magic, or because they are praying for their god to do most of the work it’s simply faith, rather than magic. But my ancestry is heavy with Roman Catholicism, I know about the vigil candles, the novenas (I’m also Mexican American) and really the church only permits these practices under the terms that it is their deities doing the work and not the person. But when they say “In the name of the Lord (insert command/desire)” it’s basically magic. They just won’t admit it. I never felt anything in church either, but I agree with an above comment that most churches don’t want you to, because if you knew what it was like to feel a personal connection with the worshipped spirits then you wouldn’t need the church anymore. Also, you can be a witch with a “capital W” and still be catholic or any religion. Being catholic doesn’t make you less of a witch. I practice what I call “spiritual Catholicism” where I wait for the Holy Spirit to come through and speak to me rather than having a priest guide me. It’s very personal that way. Actually, I believe it may have been the Holy Spirit itself that told me I must be a conjurer/witch, it definitely felt like it.
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    Sleeping with the enemy in a bed he knew too well, Brude departed from Sabina's villa and had a wall to scale. He would leave Eboracum that night, never to return, as a legion was beyond the wall to pillage, rape and burn. Woeful of Roman women, as they were not of his kind, the chill of dawn warmed his heart and cleared the mind. It was Septimius Severus, Brude swore an oath to kill, as he led his soldiers beyond the wall to break the Pictish will.
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    Or your could say Cauldron and then cackle manically!
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    And now for something different. Ixtapa, Southern Mexico.
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    I gave up trying to interpret my dreams, they really don't seem to fit any of the interpretations in any Dream book I have looked at. I think my mind just takes a holiday when I'm sleeping. One thing I will tell you is the next time I have a dream lover, I'm giving in to him.
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    Also, I think we as witches, should explore the idea that maybe there are paths we cannot argue with... I do believe there is a higher divinity system based on evolution just as there is here & nothing is just coincidence. As witches we ALLOW what we want to happen because we understand how to using various methods. After all, the universe only delivers if you are 100% willing to accept... I think all here know what I mean by 100%. On the contrary other people will hesitate, doubt, worry, overthink, etc. They run through various scenarios in their head & manifest energies in which are unnecessary & affect their reality.
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    Protection is fine and good. I don’t have more than a couple experiences with this sort of thing but I want to ask. Don’t you think you’re underestimating the difficulty of destroying a spiritual being? I have zero experience here but this doesn’t sound like something you can just do on a whim. And let’s say one of us did know how to destroy a spiritual being. That is not something that should be shared willy nilly on a public forum. That is dangerous information. Predators stalk prey/keep tabs on it, it’s generally their nature. If you show you’re too much trouble to be bothered with I’m fairly convinced that will be enough to get rid of this unwanted attention. I’d focus on protecting your space consistently and diligently. Also. Pocket dimension? Am I the only one under the impression that one cannot simply conjure up their own pocket dimension?
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    I don’t quite see the point of this thread, but I also disagree with this comment. And would like to explain why. What does being “evolved” have to do with defending yourself? Hurting someone because they hurt you doesn’t necessarily have to have anything to do with vengeance. Sometimes the best way to make sure someone stops messing with you is to hurt them, it’s a perfectly valid tactic. They may think “oh I wasn’t aware messing with this thing could cause me this much trouble, I’ll stop now” and be on their way. Or they’ll get busy and preoccupied dealing with the damage you caused and not have the time or energy to hurt you anymore. Either way, it’s a valid tactic. and to second Oroboros, this forum doesn’t generally take kindly to being lectured on morals and ethics. We speak about it when someone asks first or brings it up with the purpose of discussion. And we don’t try to push our own codes on someone else by claiming our code is more ‘evolved’ because well... that is considered preechy. Edit: grammar (and got a name wrong)
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    There is a lot here that strikes me as an odd response in this forum but perhaps I misunderstand? - it SOUNDS like you are responding to a post I am missing. I see nothing where anyone is discussing killing wasps or animals... not to say there is no place for that in some practices because there is. i also see no discussion of the wasps “ghost.” -it sounds like you are utterly unfamiliar with the concept of representational magic and how it works. -it sounds like you are unaware that the majority of people in this forum are quite comfortable with curse work, hexing and malefic workings when appropriate. Those who are here and do not DO this type of magic at least respect that it is accepted here. It is understood by those with maturity in their path that personal responsibility, shadow work and mundane problem solving are integral parts of this path. So I would not assume that members need to be lectured on this unless they have said something to indicate they do not grasp these concepts.
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    Sometimes I make a discovery that makes me very excited, I'm bursting to tell someone but who? My Grimoire, I guess!
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    As per your request for photos of my wands, I just took a couple of photos for you.
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    Hey Caps - that last bit is interesting to me "the guitar plays itself through your fingers"... I have read that true, magical connection is like that. When the witch becomes so familiar with the stream, so much a part of it, and so attuned to it, that spells are no longer necessary. The witch herself (himself lol) becomes the stream and becomes the magic.
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    I've just had this conversation with Llyr :) We are a strange bunch, aren't we? I really suffer if I don't get alone time and that can be difficult as a working, married parent. All those people around all the time! Craft time is time for myself and I really value this community and the people I chat with on here. I would love to find a local group to be a consistent part of but I tend to dip in and out. Partly out of a need to be discreet, partly because I don't gel with some of the 'leader' types. Why is there always some grand poobah type in these groups?!
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    While there are a plethora of meditative techniques from different paths and teachers most seem to fall into 1 of two forms IMO: 1. Void meditation. The pursuit of 'empty-mind' a good training tool, good for relaxation, may be useful in inducing trance. 2.Discursive meditation. The pursuit and intensely focused unfolding of one particular idea, concept or image to obtain greater meaning. This is key to the symbolism of many traditions and, (again in my opinion) a more useful magical tool. I would expect, and be trying to still/remove (in most cases) images in the case of (1). I (being a visual person) would both expect, and be trying to control and retain useful/relevant images in the case of (2). An interesting essay comparing the two can be found here. (AODA [druidic], comparing x-tian vs buddist interpretation of the two types)
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    ... I suppose it depends if you think that darkness (i.e. nightime) has any relation to the dark side of the craft. Im not so sure that it does. The same way that black isnt necessarily associated with evil. (not to say that the dark side is evil, just an example!) For instance in the occult, black is seen as a sign of the feminine, the passive, the fertile. Not a negative thing... Its interesting ... like in Egyptian culture, the 'black land' was what they called the parts of egypt that were fertile, where they could live and farm on, a happy colour. The colour they associated with evil was red (colour of set, and dry sand!) Question is then, why is black (and night time darkness) associated with evil and "the dark side"? (cue darth vader music). I suppose the nature of the colour black, and the veil of darkness, perhaps holds mysteries, and things unknown. Yet that doesnt make them 'the dark side'. Does this even make sense, or am I rambling?! :Spider-1:
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    Be careful what you wish for. I remember that line from The Incredible Mr. Limpet. Belwenda... Two of my five cats are very bonded. They meow to each other, or when one can't find the other.
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    It's snowing here, I'm going to get pissed! Eat Chocolates! and cast a Spell or two!
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    If I painted my dreams, there would be a lot of nudity! Come to think about that...I might be able to sell a lot more of them! Hummmm! Thinking....
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    No, not crazy! Yes women have been treated as chattle by Men, now as we claim the title of Witch it is our duty to stand up to the patriachy and say "No More"!
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    I have seven works in progress right now, and those are just the ones I remember, lol. here’s one based off an impromptu photoshoot with a rattler on a hiking trail; oil pastel and oil pencil on wood panel (to be finished off with pyrography on the currently taped-off borders). Working tip: it is extraordinarily difficult to layer oil pencil over coarse textured acrylic medium.
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    Your work is always a treat to see Onyx.
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    I actually think this is one of the few shows that might be outdoing the books. Which is a fairly controversial thing to say I’m sure. But the cast is so good, and the humor is better in the show as well.
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    I think that a lot stems from the fact that many people are not sure of the difference between what has been lumped as "traditional witchcraft" and other forms of the craft including new age and modern Wiccan (neither of which I have a problem with, they're just not what I personally do). I believe one can practice tw fully without ever personally casting a spell. Gemma Gary best summed it up for me by saying "traditional witchcraft... is born from the very landscape in which it is practiced." Landscape being the key word. It is a craft that is born from a relationship with the land one frequents, a deep and personal relationship with the spirits and energies of nature. It is solely, I believe, based on those relationships, which is what allows the witch to bend energy. And my nature energies will be different where I live than they will be 4 hours drive in any direction... so no book could ever fully explain it unless written by my neighbor, lol. And belladonna I will never have a true relationship with unless I move where it grows. So it's the plants, rocks, streams, and energy of one's personal location. For me, spellcasting that uses a lipstick, two screws and a pair scissors has no soul.... a traditional spell would use the knowledge and the relationships of the natural world upon which he walks. And that to me is also the difference between wishing and spelling... my will alone won't cut it if I have no relationship with the energies involved. My very yard was just changed by a hurricane. The tree that caught the shed that was blown into my window... that tree saved my house. I'd is a young tree but the wood has learned not only how to survive but also how to protect. If agreed, the wood from that tree wood will be first choice to be used for protective talismans - especially against storms, even though there may be other types of trees the books say should be used for protection.
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    This is such a good topic! I'm still very much in the learning stage. I was too afraid to try very much at first. The first time I did a spell for someone I wasn't happy with, I went to bed and as I was falling asleep, I had the most terrifying dream about harm coming to my partner. I woke up and freaked out about what I had done. The spell worked amazingly well, and nothing bad happened, except for the dream. I came into this path not as a wiccan, but I'd certainly looked into it in the past. I didn't believe the threefold path on a conscious level, but I think, over the years, hearing so many people, both wiccans and christians having discourse along the lines of, 'ooh, black magic, you don't know what you're messing with,' I think subconsciously I had taken on board that I was doing something I shouldn't, and I suppose there was the fear of the unknown. I think I felt the way a new gun user might feel; that I would shoot my foot off by accident as I learned, and I think the dream was my guilt and fear. This topic has given me much food for thought about the intentions we set and the words we use. So far, touch wood, nothing terrible has happened. One spell didn't work as strongly as I'd hoped which was disappointing, but nothing bad happened to me personally. I've yet to learn why it didn't work as well, perhaps I need to sit down and work it out. I like to try to think of several different approaches/intentions for a spell first, and then I keep narrowing it down. I weigh up the outcomes of each as much as I can. I also divine first, and that helps me more than anything else. It's also really good for highlighting both wanted and unwanted outcomes of various spell ideas, so I'm very grateful for that. Quite often after divining, I will take a completely different approach with my spell, and so far, it's always been better than my original idea. The thing that scares me is when I do make those mistakes we must learn from, in the future. I try not to obsess about that though, because I don't want to call that fear to me. I'm going to stop now, because I think I'm babbling :D
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    ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* This is IMO an extremely important point. In one fantasy mythos I enjoy Dwarves have a 'grudge book' in which is written everything that is owed, to, and by the owner of the book. As I am aware my memory for the minutia of daily life is poor, this is a concept that I have embraced. I now keep a 'Troth' book in which I record what I have promised to entities, both meat based (human) and the meatless (spirits and deities). I am now much more careful to fulfill my obligations and commitments I have made.
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    Traditional witchcaft is not Wicca, so I think first of all it is important to understand that Gods and Goddesses are not collectible bubble-gum cards. (That always used to annoy the snot out of me.) The really best advice I can give you for understanding Gods and/or Goddesses is to ask the Land. You will get better feedback there than from even the best internet forums, like this one. :)
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    You can always just follow the threads you like and they'll all be neatly saved under your profile's "Content I Follow" tab ;)
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    Can you nail down what your top fears are? Of course, you may not want to share that answer- which is fine. However, I find that in ANY situation where a nebulous sense of fear or anxiety is crippling me from how I want to be or what I want to do- the first step is to rip it out of the ether and pin down what exactly the fear or fears ARE.
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    I'm still pretty much a newb, but if I could go back a year or so, I would tell myself: Don't feel like you've got to spend so much money on tools and herbs and crystals and books right off the bat. You won't even know what to do with that stuff yet and while owning it might make you feel more "witchy," you should really be finding the witch inside first (and saving yo gottdern money, fool!) Instead, use a small number of select herbs and start building a strong relationship with them first. Use the heaping loads of lavender you already have and get to know the spirit of the herb intimately. Don't let your mint and rosemary plants die when winter comes, but get intimately acquainted with their needs and life rhythms. Connect with them. If you need to buy something, get enough mugwort that you can use it liberally and get to know Mugwort...she will teach you so much more than any book. She's been teaching witches and healers and shamans across the continents since the beginning. Don't just buy a "starter kit" of herbs that gives you half an ounce of thirty different herbs. That money is better spent on larger quantities of a few herbs that you can invest some time into. That lesson is going to be pretty much universal on the path....invest time and patience into every step you take before skipping off to the next thing. You've got a lifetime to master this stuff, so build a solid foundation first instead of spreading yourself thin across a wide range of subjects. What you will learn from working intimately with the spirits of these few herbs will equip you for what you will want to do later. Don't let yourself get too distracted with crappy internet spells for things you probably don't need to change in the first place, just because you want to "feel" yourself doing spellwork. Working with the herbs IS spellwork, so don't put it off. The goosebumps and feelings will come with time. Instead of scrolling through Pinterest for hours, use that time to for your inner world, meditation and energy work. I know it doesn't SEEM like it's all that much more magical than the mediation you've been doing for years, but that's because you've only scratched the surface of what meditation can actually do. Study up. Listen to people that know more than you. Then go deeper. Now listen here, you: Don't get so wrapped up in other people's problems that you ignore your own. I know...this one is hard, cuz it's way easier to push your depressing and shitty issues aside right now. But a year from now when you are wondering why you haven't made any progress in your big life situations, it will become pretty clear where you put most of your energy and you don't have much to show for it. Be consistent in working with your ancestors and your house/land spirits. They respond quickly and with kindness and it encourages you. And they will teach you as soon as you figure out how to listen. The tools that you need and will use the most are the ones that are given to you...by the land, by your ancestors, etc. The ones you don't go searching for, they just show up when you need them, on sale at the thrift shop, or laying in park, or propped up next to your favorite tree. Long story short...be patient. Be open. Be deep.
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    ____ Human behaviour is hard to change. The person has been doing it for so long...so, ime, you have to keep pounding away at them with a working, and perhaps hitting from different angles, using planetary days and hours that suit your objective...and really important...take the handle off of your head, don't give an inch....in other words, don't take it!!! Your own actions or inaction will affect the efficacy of your spell work.
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    I, personally, don't believe animals can be compared to humans intellectually or emotionally. Wild animals face these fears daily. If one looks at nature - really looks, not just sees the surface of some things - ever see a cat eat a lizard? Ever see a bear eat a salmon? Nature can appear very cruel to human conception, and if anyone thinks road kill is any more traumatized than death via being eaten alive, or raised in food-farms without beak or legs and then offed prior to being put into a nice little clean grocery-store package, then they are, in my opinion, mistaken. Animals don't have the same psychology as humans. They don't anticipate death in the way that humans do. That does not mean they should to be treated inhumanely or that humans are of more importance in the greater existence of things, but to me it needs to be understood if one is working with animal bones. If anyone picks up bones in the wild it could be a mistake to assume they had less trauma in death than road kill. My cat caught an iguana and chewed off and ate it from the "waist" down. I found the iguana pulling itself across my living room on the "stumps" of it's front legs with no back-body or tail and leaving a bloody trail behind it. That was a natural death - eat or be eaten. Did I have compassion for the poor thing? Yes. Did I put it to peace and out of it's misery? Yes - I returned the left-over body to a wild area near here. And if some person found it's bones and took them home thinking it died a less traumatic death than road-kill.... well, it was unfortunately a much more natural and suffering death than a quick car-hit. That is the nature of nature. Live or die, survival of the fittest, eat or be eaten. It does not mean that one should be without compassion, but it doesn't mean that what nature does is less traumatic that what human's cars do. It's part of life, part of death, and it all goes together. Humans, who have the ability to psychologically (as opposed to instinctually) fear death are different in what they leave behind. Very few things in the wild die of peaceful old age. Domesticated animals, yes, but wild, no. I love animals and I love my pets and care for them well, but I understand the difference between my psychology and their psychology. M
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