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Paganism is a "FREE" Religion.


Traditional Witchcraft is not bound by books and laws that others have invented.


It is free of made up rules, free from the hierarchical bullshit that plagues other organised religions; but with that freedom comes responsibility, you are responsible for your own actions and intentions, good or bad.


Some years ago Sandy was formerly initiated into the Craft by a Traditional High Witch Priest, and although it was an extremely intense magickal experience and something that will be carried with her for the rest of her life, we actually believe that it is your own higher self that determines what you are.


A "Degree" is just a name, it does not automatically mean you are accepted as a 1st, 2nd or 3rd Degree Witch wherever you go. Any covens you join will re-initiate you into their own circle and belief system no matter what degree you are somewhere else.


It is false to always assume that the higher up the Degree someone is, the better they are. That makes no sense to us - you become wise through experience, not from someone else judging what you're capable of and sticking a label on you - but isn't that what a true Traditional Witch is? The "Wise Woman" or the "Cunning Man" like old George Pickingill, for example; and not a hierarchal system with one-sided rules that Gerald Gardner and Doreen Valiente invented much later, now known as Wicca.


You are free to express your sexuality and your inner most desires as long as it harms none. You are free to do as you please as long as it harms none. However, if you follow a Traditional Witches' path, you are well within your human rights to protect yourself against the evil intentions or influences of others.


One very wise man said once "It only takes one kind man to let evil succeed". This is the rule we believe in and use - we feel that it is our duty as responsible people to act upon and bounce back any harmful intentions of others in whatever ways are appropriate. Nature itself can be kind but also cruel and will defend itself if cornered, why do some people feel they need to cower away from this fact?


Wiccans believe that whatever you "send out" comes back to you 3-fold, good or bad (karma). However, although we do believe in karma, we do not believe that karma always works only in this way.


We believe that if you do wrong without justice then your own guilt is a negative emotion in itself that it automatically creates negative energy. This negative energy then attracts even more negative energies that are around you.


It is the same if you do something good, it makes you feel good doesn't it? You will then be surrounded by positive energy which then attracts more positive energy ... that makes far more sense than thinking that someone else or something else is controlling our fate!


The only other reason someone could receive a "karma bashing" is if, for example, an individual was intentionally sending out harmful negative energies in some form to harm another person - we would not hesitate to bounce it right back where it came from, occasionally along with a little something else to ensure that the individual may think twice about their intentions. The beauty of it is that we don't even need to know who is responsible - it finds its own way back :-). Once they stop their outward attacks, then it stops for them too. There is no denying it - it can be quite satisfying to see such a nasty individual get their comeuppance and watch them kick their own ass!


We feel that one cannot make the world a better place by sending out loving energy to someone who is filled with jealousy and hatred; bluebirds and butterflies just wont work for these kinds of people and this is exactly what sets us apart from Wiccans. What may work for a Wicca Witch, may not work for us and visa-versa.


There is no "grey" area in the Traditional Craft, it just "is"! i.e. No "Devils" or "Gremlins" to blame just your own pure self!


If things are done for justice sake, then we don't feel guilty, and we shouldn't go around worrying over some Rede that was written 50 or 60 years ago. What matters is how you feel about what you have done, was it just? Was it deserved? Do you think your higher self would approve? Know Thyself, be in touch with your higher self or your True Will and you act in accordance with the Universe.


Your higher self not only protects, it also teaches. If you act out of spite, then accept any negativity that may come your way. Sure we all feel ticked off by some people, but a Traditional tries to temper that with self control and ignore it and believes that such a person acting inappropriately will be back for another endurance test of life to grow.


Something else that we often chat about is how many times we've heard or seen people saying 'Oh I can't do such and such a spell because I haven't got every last ingredient that's specified in some book or other'. A Traditional Witch will look around and use something else, whatever feels right, the INTENT is what is really important, not the 'props' - although for some things the props are good to help the INTENT along.


This applies whether it's candle colours, day of the week, incense or anything else. True Magick comes from within, and it is your intent that makes the magick happen. A Traditional Witch, uses their own will and intent, no Athame to Hand? Then use your finger, or simply visualise your Athame in your hand! But if you have the ingredients use them if you wish to, just don't get fooled into the belief that you can't do without them! Note: Some High Magick Rituals do actually require specific items to be used but this is not what most witches should or would be practising.


As to words and rhymes, we don't generally use someone else's nicely rhyming chant. We feel that you should make up your own. Your own words have far more power and as they come from your own heart will be truer to your intent. We personally can't summon up the will when chanting some of the Wiccan rhymes as we cannot take them seriously, however, if they work for you then that's fine. The aim of Magick is to find out what works for you.


Allowing "it" to happen. When you open your hearts and your minds, you can be "open" to receive all sorts of messages, normally it happens when you are relaxed and not mentally "thinking". For example, we could be chatting away with someone and get a very strong sense that they or somebody close to them may have a health problem or someone who has passed over wants to give them a message. It can be quite uncanny but it feels so good to be able to help others in this way.


This is something that we both are working on to get some sort of control over - we never know when or how it happens, it just does! The only way both of us can describe it is like a post-it-note being smacked on your forehead, sometimes to the point that the reaction is as though you have been hit with an invisible slap! :)


Over the years, since working with each other our intuition is very strong when it comes to other people. We can see through people's facade right away and instantly know if they are genuine souls - we can usually tell which ones will be back for another life lesson and have a little smile about it. It is very rare to find others on our wavelength, but luckily the Gods brought us together, to work and try to do some good in this life. Although we are classed as "Solitary" Witches we work together on most occasions.


Many people come to us asking for healing, love spells, money spells or to lift a curse they believe they have been burdened with. It can be immensely rewarding to see the positive results. It is such a satisfying sensation to know that we have helped another person that perhaps normal doctors or other religions had given up all hope.


We always help others as best as we can, relying on our own Higher Self to guide us and do what is needed to get the work done. We don't do any work lightly, we meditate on it, and only undertake any work that feels right to us; remember that some things happen to people as life lessons, and sometimes the lesson needs to be learned. In these cases we shall not get involved or will work to ensure that they learn the lesson and grow from it and do what is best for their own higher self.


A few people are under the impression that you have to be "born" a witch to be a witch. This is not correct at all. One does not need to come from a a line of Wicca or Traditional Witches to practise Witchcraft. The power is within all of us, it is just how you personally use it to suit your own needs and to progress spiritually in this life. However, in saying this, both of us happen to be hereditary witches.


Sandy's side of the family are very psychic and that comes down the line through the female side:

"I have, in the last few years only discovered that I come from a line of witches in my family. Lots of memories have come to light as many things were forgotten or brushed under the carpet in the past, mainly out of fear.


Everything makes sense now, not just the memories of my Mother already "knowing" things she couldn't possibly know when I was growing up and having the nickname "White Witch" throughout her career by colleagues, no wonder she got snapped up by the secret service! And, my Grandmother, bless her soul, being feared by all her neighbours as being evil and will curse anyone that upset her, thankfully she doted on me!


Not to forget countless strange happenings throughout my life and childhood memories I have that differ considerably from anyone else's; being a loner; never fitting in; being told you are too wise for your years at 6, doing things a peculiar way that seemed right to me but totally insane to others but none-the-less worked every time, and of course being labelled an eccentric weirdo as a teenager.


I can honestly say I am happier now than I have ever been in my entire life - it is not that I needed a reason for my strangeness but the fact is that I AM different, I know I am different and I can finally enjoy being different".


Droghon's side of the family was also very mystical, especially his mother:

"My Mother was a practising solitary witch, although she would never admit to it. Being raised strict Catholic she was too set in her ways to change when she felt that she did not really "fit" into that belief system.


She would know things and teach me things that seemed crazy at the time but always make sense. I particularly remember that she had me out in the garden every May dawn washing my face in the dew".


End note from Sandy and Droghon:

Paganism is indeed a FREE religion, it also is a religion of personal responsibility and acting in accord with your higher self. It is also a religion of LOVE, love for oneself, nature and all living things. It is a religion of balance; Male and Female, Light and Dark, Positive and Negative, Birth and Death and Rebirth.


To deny one side in favour of the other is unbalanced and unhealthy.


© Traditional Witch 2006

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It could well be that the spirit guy you met came back as the friend you describe. And that as a spirit he knew of your needs and tried to reassure the child you were then as well as knowing that he would meet you in the future to play a big part of your life. Another thought running through my head is that they are not the same person, but are part of the 'group soul' you are part of. They seem linked in someway to you, so maybe you have all lived together before. That could also explain your deepened feelings for someone you know is a friend, but no more that that. In the past your relationship could have been different, maybe lovers. The spirit guy could have been a son, or a brother. Who knows!


Ultimately I think this will be a question you may not get the answer to. You could try past life regression, or maybe try to renew the contact of the spirit guy if he is still in the spirit realm. Those are just initial thoughts. I will be interested to see others views and how this thread develops.


On a personal note its lovely to see you on the site again!

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Thanks Tana. I am glad to be back.


I had thought of the 1st u meantioned but ive so confused myself overthinking Im not sure anymore. lol

Also I had thought on the soul group thing too but again overthinking plus havent worked out my beliefs on the past lives & souls traveling together to a complete thing with answers for it all that Im not sure on it. lol


I will def. keep those in mind. I have tried to contact the spirit person but it was always at night I did reach him one time but then as usual overthinking I began to wonder if it was spirit person or if the spirit person was now physical if he came to me when I called thru astral or something as the physical person was sleeping at time. I tried during day time while physical guy was at work but got no visit or anything. So still left me wondering with no answers. Maybe answers are rite in front of me & its a case of the forrest for the trees thing. lol Or maybe Im just not to know til I reach the spiritual side again. Its just plain bugging me tho. lol


Thank you so much for your help & yes Im eager to see other replies too.



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I have to agree with everything that Tana said. One thing I would add is to try and not over-analyze things. I know this is hard, being a kind of compulsive analytical person myself! The "spiritual" can't really be analyzed because we don't have the answers. But they can be explored which is different. Try clearing your head of other things and ideas and meditating on your life at 8, then maybe before. Explore your life then and the people you knew and the situation which brought your guide to you.


I have experienced something similar, finding the person to be from a past or "other" life. I knew he was out there, but didnt actively look for him, but he was never too far from my mind. He is my partner now and looking at pictures of him in his 30s or 40s he is physically the same. He was also able to describe to me my height, where I came from and my physical description as it would have been at the age I was when he "knew" me before. I think somehow that the people from past or "other" lives or a part of them is always interwoven with our present life whenever it may be. I do also strongly belive that you can remove some from this.. I don't know what to call it, but "web of souls" that is built up over time and place.


I know what you mean about it bugging you.. things like this can make you think a lot and deeply and wonder about stuff that maybe doesn't have an answer- just yet.

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Thanks ValerieAnn. I havent had time yet 2 settle myself & meditate on this recently lots of personal issues this month 2 deal with, 1 being My oldest son & his girlfriend being six months pregnant & Me & baby girl messing with them on what exactly she was, male or female? lol 1st Ultra sound to find out I told her not to let them know so she didnt. lol Ultra sound lady couldnt even get all the pics she needed for the doc. lol Then last week I told baby girl 2 let them know & she did. We had a great joke. lol today they come up with name for her witch baby girl let them know. lol Telling that in another thread, great story. lol


Anyway hopefully things will be calming down enough for me to persue this more on the spirit & physical man/men. Thank you both.



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Ah well! There you have it in one. Those thoughts say it all. Most people who believe in a God or a Goddess feel they need them like a substitute for ones Father or Mother. In reality though, when growing up, your survival and your experience of the world teaches you you don't need anbody else or a God or Goddess lauding the cfact they are a God or Goddess over you. You are free to do as you please - you are a free agent. You live by the methods you have learned 'yourself' on how to survive. If you fall down and you need advice you can ask a spirit for help - it costs nothing after all to ask. Or if you feel a little bit better about it, you could ask Sandy or Brian too since they are a bit closer! ;)foxman

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Hey, foxman,


A Search of the Forum will show you that there are many, many, many threads on such subjects (Deity, religious affiliations (or not), free will, spirit contact, etc.), in case you wanted to check out how others interpret.


Sandy and Brian are Owners of this Forum and really nice people, but they are not spiritual advisors or religious counselors, at least not to me, personally.  Ok, I am sure that one or both of them would be happy to offer advice or support, as would many others on the Forum, but they are not our teachers, Elders, or superiors.  They are not responsible for our lives. 


I am  not exactly sure where you are going with all of this . . .



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If you fall down and you need advice you can ask a spirit for help - it costs nothing after all to ask.



Sometimes, it does.

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Sometimes, it does.

Going to have to agree with this, my opinion only, of course.  :thinking:

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