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Just thought I'd share a picture of the flying ointment I made, my first ever. It's a grapeseed/beeswax mix I made up. I haven't tried it yet, time hasn't allowed but I am looking forward to seeing if it has any effect. I didn't go overboard on the entheogens, me being me and a klutz I would probably poison myself. It's an experiment but I am hoping for the best. Came out an odd olive colour but from others I've seen online it appears to be not that unusual.

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Guest Morgana Raven
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Just thought I'd share a picture of the flying ointment I made, my first ever. It's a grapeseed/beeswax mix I made up. I haven't tried it yet, time hasn't allowed but I am looking forward to seeing if it has any effect. I didn't go overboard on the entheogens, me being me and a klutz I would probably poison myself. It's an experiment but I am hoping for the best. Came out an odd olive colour but from others I've seen online it appears to be not that unusual.

Very cool! Can't wait to find out how it goes for you! Good Luck

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Most of the discussions on this subject are in the member section, rightfully so.

 

Mods: Can we move this to a section that is not accessible by guests? I don't know where this conversation is going, but it seems extremely irresponsible to have a discussion about flying ointments in front of what could be children.

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J,

 

There really isn't a section to move it to where it's not publicly visible; and Stacey & Morgana Raven (who are still seekers) can see it. Therefore, I would caution everyone to watch what they post - no recipes or even list of ingredients, please! If a guest wants to know more about flying ointments, there are plenty of other sites they can turn to.

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J,

 

There really isn't a section to move it to where it's not publicly visible; and Stacey & Morgana Raven (who are still seekers) can see it. Therefore, I would caution everyone to watch what they post - no recipes or even list of ingredients, please! If a guest wants to know more about flying ointments, there are plenty of other sites they can turn to.

 

Thank you for checking.

 

J

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Most of the discussions on this subject are in the member section, rightfully so.

 

Mods: Can we move this to a section that is not accessible by guests? I don't know where this conversation is going, but it seems extremely irresponsible to have a discussion about flying ointments in front of what could be children.

 

Voted this up! Your completely right and I have revised my post. Thank you smile.gif

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You can use less dangerous herbs, there are a few posts in the public area about those. Of course always research what you intend to use. Check for sensitivity and allergies, and make sure you have the real deal, not a substitute herb with different properties.

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1346661142[/url]' post='132279']

Just thought I'd share a picture of the flying ointment I made, my first ever. It's a grapeseed/beeswax mix I made up. I haven't tried it yet, time hasn't allowed but I am looking forward to seeing if it has any effect. I didn't go overboard on the entheogens, me being me and a klutz I would probably poison myself. It's an experiment but I am hoping for the best. Came out an odd olive colour but from others I've seen online it appears to be not that unusual.

 

I usually use olive oil and my beeswax is quite dark so colouring is quite nice. Do you actually mean grape seed or rapeseed?

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Most of the discussions on this subject are in the member section, rightfully so.

 

Mods: Can we move this to a section that is not accessible by guests? I don't know where this conversation is going, but it seems extremely irresponsible to have a discussion about flying ointments in front of what could be children.

 

I'm still a Seeker so this is the only place I can put it, I wasn't intending on listing ingredients, I'm not that irresponsible or stupid.

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I usually use olive oil and my beeswax is quite dark so colouring is quite nice. Do you actually mean grape seed or rapeseed?

 

No, I meant grapeseed. It's the oil I mostly use for things that are oil based. It's relatively cheap to buy, things like almond oil are not readily available where I live and if it is, it is quite expensive to buy. I would use Olive oil but I like the scent and texture of grapeseed.

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I wasn't intending on listing ingredients, I'm not that irresponsible or stupid.

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Not you that I was worried about :)

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It's actually a curious thing, most sites refuse to post dosage of plants to be used in a flying ointment but lists of psychotropic plants are readily available...

(Not meaning to criticize the Admin as I'm sure liability is involved as well) but IMO it would be safer for the inexperienced to have access to safe dosages than just "we use X Y and Z" and just throwing together possibly unsafe amounts... =/

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It's actually a curious thing, most sites refuse to post dosage of plants to be used in a flying ointment but lists of psychotropic plants are readily available...

(Not meaning to criticize the Admin as I'm sure liability is involved as well) but IMO it would be safer for the inexperienced to have access to safe dosages than just "we use X Y and Z" and just throwing together possibly unsafe amounts... =/

 

 

Honestly, if someone is stupid enough to just throw together a flying ointment or other dangerous concoction without a proper recipe using a random list of herbs from someone they don't know online then I'm of the opinion that there will be one less stupid person in the world. But....there are teens, kids really, that lurk on this site so I don't see the problem with reserving some things for private. If other sites do certain things great for them.

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Personally I can fully understand not putting ingredients in the open part of the forum, some lurkers may make the ointment as per a recipe and that's one thing but there will always be idiots who will 'adjust' the recipe because the giving one is 'tooweak' or because they are harder in their own minds than we are. The problem is if something happens to that idiot then if a friend or family see the recipe on a website on their browser, it's the website that would be blamed.

 

There are recipes in books, let the seeker find it themselves not spoon fed from a forum. Find it with the words, take full responsible for yourself.

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Have moved this to the 'Home made and herbal remedies'. A pinned disclaimer has been added to this section so that should cover any problems.

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I'm all for removing warning labels so that the stupidity problem of general humanity will get a shot in the arm to sorting itself out "naturally" but that's just me... :)

 

I'm in the process of making a pretty mild flying ointment with mugwort, I won't be the only one using it so I'm going extremely low dose till I see how the other participants react. Stacey I'd be interested to hear how it goes when you try yours if you care to share.

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Just seems an awful lot like the "teach abstinence, not safe sex" tactic...

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I generally don't share magical recipes anyway. That's personal. Plenty of places to find a "flying ointment" recipe on the interwebs or in books. I understand the forum's stance on how this is a liability issue, though.

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Just seems an awful lot like the "teach abstinence, not safe sex" tactic...

Its a bad metaphor because the seekers here are all ages. But we talk about "safe sex" in the members area. Just like contraception is taught in eighth or ninth grade rather than second or third grade. Furthermore, this is not a teaching site although there is lots of great information on here. If safe sex is condoms combined with the pill, the safe sex for flying ointment is a drum circle. Crossing the hedge is never safe, there is always risk, and flying ointment is going bareback. So, yeah, "there is a time and place for everything childrem, and thats college...mmmkay?"

 

:crystal-gazing:

 

There is a trad witch, a well known one too, who died using these herbs in ritual. And I personally know someone who ended up in the psych ward using some of these things. Extreme caution is called for and extreme respect for the herbs involved. And its wise to keep this area for healing remedies rather than the more serious potions.

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I'm all for removing warning labels so that the stupidity problem of general humanity will get a shot in the arm to sorting itself out "naturally" but that's just me... :)

 

 

Love this!

:beerchug:

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I ain't that confident about making flying ointments yet, considering purchasing one from Stang and Cauldron (Witch of Forest Grove), so we shall see how that goes. :) Let us know if you have success with yours! :)

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Its a bad metaphor because the seekers here are all ages. But we talk about "safe sex" in the members area. Just like contraception is taught in eighth or ninth grade rather than second or third grade. Furthermore, this is not a teaching site although there is lots of great information on here. If safe sex is condoms combined with the pill, the safe sex for flying ointment is a drum circle. Crossing the hedge is never safe, there is always risk, and flying ointment is going bareback. So, yeah, "there is a time and place for everything childrem, and thats college...mmmkay?"

 

:crystal-gazing:

 

There is a trad witch, a well known one too, who died using these herbs in ritual. And I personally know someone who ended up in the psych ward using some of these things. Extreme caution is called for and extreme respect for the herbs involved. And its wise to keep this area for healing remedies rather than the more serious potions.

 

You're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. However, I believe the analogy is a good one. There are schools where safe sex is not taught until the higher grades- either because the administration is unaware of how young kids have sex or because they believe acknowledging it is condoning it. I personally know people who had sex as early as the age of 13. And those were often the ages when people engaged in unsafe practices. And age is not the limiting factor when it comes to witchcraft. There are 50 year old witches that are more inexperienced than 20 year olds. If those discussions are relegated to the members section, I was unaware, as I am a Seeker on this site. But I don't feel that I'm wrong to argue that posting a safe dosage alongside warnings of what could result if those dosages are exceeded could increase safety. If the admin choose not to have that information available here, that's their prerogative. However, the concept behind *information=safety* does hold water.

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And age is not the limiting factor when it comes to witchcraft.

I began actually practicing in earnest sometime between 13-15. And I mean very serious sorts of stuff, taken from Crowley. No one told me how to be safe about it, so I'm lucky I didn't do more damage. Normally I'm all for "Share and share alike" - but there's always a catch.

 

But I don't feel that I'm wrong to argue that posting a safe dosage alongside warnings of what could result if those dosages are exceeded could increase safety.

 

The Catch: There is no "Safer sex" practice for banefuls. Not because "any amount" will kill you , but because there is no way for anyone outside of a laboratory to know what the content of any specific chemical is in the plant. Because, well, plants are living things. EVERY step in the experimentation is a potential hospital visit, if not worse.

 

Let's just use Datura as an example:

Party A buys a variety of Datura seed online. They invest in a large pot, fill it with nutrient rich compost and the like. Give it the site-recommended drainage, water levels, and fertilizers. They put it in the optimal placement on their porch and prune it back regularly to prevent leggy growth. They experiment with it routinely and find a dose of dry materia by weight that hits just the right spot. They pull another batch three months later, and end up in the hospital in and out of a coma for a week. What's the difference? Spring, versus Summer. Or Summer versus Fall. Or Winter versus Spring... or maybe she skipped a watering. Maybe aphids moved in. Maybe she selected younger or older leaves. Maybe some neighbor kid has been walking by and hitting the plant with a stick a lot during Summer break. Maybe the plant cross-pollinated with a nearby wild Datura via the sexy backside of a Bee, and has gone into overdrive to protect it's seeds?

 

Unless you have directly experimented with the EXACT batch, using the EXACT materials, from the EXACT same source - you cannot know what it will do. You cannot say it is "safe" or "unsafe" or "scorched earth scenario, write your will right now, buddy, because your ass is out the door, down the lubricated fun-slide to hell" until you try it, and maybe it's too late.

 

Add to that that every person's biochemistry, sensitivity, and tolerance on a psychological level is different from the next, and there's just no way. I'm a hard-drinker, I have a high tolerance for my head being thrown for a loop. I can handle XYZ amount of hard alcohol. But I have a friend who gets a little panicky after they get a buzz from a beer. My "dose" would be hell, if not hospital, for them.

 

So, there is no safe dose, no safe practice, no safe advice. It is a mine field. You enter it blind and at your own risk.

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I began actually practicing in earnest sometime between 13-15. And I mean very serious sorts of stuff, taken from Crowley. No one told me how to be safe about it, so I'm lucky I didn't do more damage. Normally I'm all for "Share and share alike" - but there's always a catch.

 

 

 

The Catch: There is no "Safer sex" practice for banefuls. Not because "any amount" will kill you , but because there is no way for anyone outside of a laboratory to know what the content of any specific chemical is in the plant. Because, well, plants are living things. EVERY step in the experimentation is a potential hospital visit, if not worse.

 

Let's just use Datura as an example:

Party A buys a variety of Datura seed online. They invest in a large pot, fill it with nutrient rich compost and the like. Give it the site-recommended drainage, water levels, and fertilizers. They put it in the optimal placement on their porch and prune it back regularly to prevent leggy growth. They experiment with it routinely and find a dose of dry materia by weight that hits just the right spot. They pull another batch three months later, and end up in the hospital in and out of a coma for a week. What's the difference? Spring, versus Summer. Or Summer versus Fall. Or Winter versus Spring... or maybe she skipped a watering. Maybe aphids moved in. Maybe she selected younger or older leaves. Maybe some neighbor kid has been walking by and hitting the plant with a stick a lot during Summer break. Maybe the plant cross-pollinated with a nearby wild Datura via the sexy backside of a Bee, and has gone into overdrive to protect it's seeds?

 

Unless you have directly experimented with the EXACT batch, using the EXACT materials, from the EXACT same source - you cannot know what it will do. You cannot say it is "safe" or "unsafe" or "scorched earth scenario, write your will right now, buddy, because your ass is out the door, down the lubricated fun-slide to hell" until you try it, and maybe it's too late.

 

Add to that that every person's biochemistry, sensitivity, and tolerance on a psychological level is different from the next, and there's just no way. I'm a hard-drinker, I have a high tolerance for my head being thrown for a loop. I can handle XYZ amount of hard alcohol. But I have a friend who gets a little panicky after they get a buzz from a beer. My "dose" would be hell, if not hospital, for them.

 

So, there is no safe dose, no safe practice, no safe advice. It is a mine field. You enter it blind and at your own risk.

 

 

:clap: :beerchug: I agree with this 100%.

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