oceanasmoon Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Yay! Miller's new book came in the mail today. I enjoy his books, even if I'm not working in the particular area he is talking about, there are always good little tidbits of information.... Yaaaaay me!:witch_bounce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevioletsunflower Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 OM, I have come across Jason Miller's books before. What is it you like about him/them? Just curious as I am always looking for good books to read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanasmoon Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 OM, I have come across Jason Miller's books before. What is it you like about him/them? Just curious as I am always looking for good books to read... I really like the fact that he goes a bit beyond the basics which is soooo hard to find. He also covers a wide range of paths... pagan, hoodoo, traditional, Goddesses, Buddahism, etc. He incorporates bits of mythology, folklore, etc into his stuff. He gives lots of examples, but not 'instructions' so it's not like you are reading a how to manual. I enjoyed the first book he did, the Sorcerer's Secrets quite a bit. His Protection and Reversal Magic was also very good. I walk away feeling like I learned a few things I hadn't thought of before without that condescending attitude of 'I know more than you so just do it or if you don't do it this way it's wrong' feeling. As I am still learning, I always walk away with something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanasmoon Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 Just an update to this post.... Soooo disappointing. It has a few tidbits in it, and the sigils are beautiful. Unfortunately, the rest was like reading an financial managment book in college. Of course, if you can't do a basic budget or know the difference between an IRA or Health Savings Plan if may be useful. If you run across it, copy down the two pages of sigils and pass on the rest. I'm sure his next one will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 ...Of course, if you can't do a basic budget or know the difference between an IRA or Health Savings Plan if may be useful. .. This should perhaps be another thread, but the above got me wondering... how many follow up a magical action with a mundane action and do you think it is necessary? For me, personally, I find it very necessary to follow up workings with "matching" or "like-minded" mundane actions. How do others view it? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloe Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This should perhaps be another thread, but the above got me wondering... how many follow up a magical action with a mundane action and do you think it is necessary? For me, personally, I find it very necessary to follow up workings with "matching" or "like-minded" mundane actions. How do others view it? M I do the mundane work before or in conjunction with the magical work, I don't usually wait till after. There are always exceptions of course, but generally speaking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiterose Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I do the mundane work before or in conjunction with the magical work, I don't usually wait till after. There are always exceptions of course, but generally speaking... I agree with this and this is how I do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelian Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This should perhaps be another thread, but the above got me wondering... how many follow up a magical action with a mundane action and do you think it is necessary? For me, personally, I find it very necessary to follow up workings with "matching" or "like-minded" mundane actions. How do others view it? M I do, yes. It's the follow through. I'm not going to go to all that effort drumming up a good spell and then not reinforce it with my actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tephyr Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This should perhaps be another thread, but the above got me wondering... how many follow up a magical action with a mundane action and do you think it is necessary? For me, personally, I find it very necessary to follow up workings with "matching" or "like-minded" mundane actions. How do others view it? M I agree with this.An example would be healing. Something I do both for others and myself.... while I have faith that the magical intent and action have power I think it would be irresponsible not to follow it with mundane actions.(for example, herbs and life style changes to help the outcome). Also anything that helps one focus one's intent is always valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I do the mundane work before or in conjunction with the magical work, I don't usually wait till after... That's a good point... I suppose that if I had to think about it, it would probably be before during and after... most things are addressed mundanely becuase that's where most things come up, and then if that isn't working out then magic is added. But the mundane action is kept up. I'll have to make a point of noticing next time if I actually do before, during and after, lol. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticGypsy Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I did a " stop sending me this invoice " spell with a mundane invoice about $7.45 for some stupid Gevalia coffee. After I had spoken to the different reps several times, and told them , " I sent the stuff back, and on my dime no less, I'm not paying for something that is not in my cupboard " They kept sending me this stupid invoice, and then threatened to send it to collections. I did a magical working on the invoice, and have never see it again come to my home. I'm not familiar with this book or it's author, I was just pissed off enough to take matters into my own hands. Regards,Gypsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atewsley Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Ty for the heads up on Jason Miller book. Loved the two previously mentioned, Sorcerers , Reversal. I like what they inspired me to come up with on my own, even if they were reasonably basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtTOUGH Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) This should perhaps be another thread, but the above got me wondering... how many follow up a magical action with a mundane action and do you think it is necessary? For me, personally, I find it very necessary to follow up workings with "matching" or "like-minded" mundane actions. How do others view it? M I turn to the mundane first, as spells are sometimes a weak point for me because I spend too much time trying to figure out how I want to go about working it. Once I'm feeling full enough of the want/emotion necessary, I'll cook up a spell easily... eta, in the case of hexing or spelling another person I try to give em a heads up, last chance kinda deal. After that, I'm done talking. Edited July 27, 2012 by Lilikate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archabyss Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 1342499713[/url]' post='128631']Just an update to this post.... Soooo disappointing. It has a few tidbits in it, and the sigils are beautiful. Unfortunately, the rest was like reading an financial managment book in college. Of course, if you can't do a basic budget or know the difference between an IRA or Health Savings Plan if may be useful. If you run across it, copy down the two pages of sigils and pass on the rest. I'm sure his next one will be better. Whilst I'm not a fan of his books, I think it is good that he has given information on actual financial stuff. I suspect (and had it confirmed) that a fair amount of folks who look at money workings are in the hole because they can't understand money. Here in the UK (no idea about other countries) we don't have a course for teenagers to learn about basic budgeting just a spend spend spend culture. Whilst you can do that working for money or other financial matters, learning how to keep yourself out of the hole in the first place is better. So many books nowadays concentrate on the magical aspect that they ignore the mundane boring part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiterose Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Whilst I'm not a fan of his books, I think it is good that he has given information on actual financial stuff. I suspect (and had it confirmed) that a fair amount of folks who look at money workings are in the hole because they can't understand money. Here in the UK (no idea about other countries) we don't have a course for teenagers to learn about basic budgeting just a spend spend spend culture. Whilst you can do that working for money or other financial matters, learning how to keep yourself out of the hole in the first place is better. So many books nowadays concentrate on the magical aspect that they ignore the mundane boring part. I agree with the part about learning money management and that culture puts on the spending pressure. One thing I will add though, is that alot of people fall on hard times for other reasons, not just because they have no clue about money or that they spend too much. The ecomomy is shit right now, at least in over here in the US. It seems like every couple days they jack up the price on something whether its gas or necessities like milk and bread, and things like utilities and rent, not mention any extras you may want. They may have had a death in the family, lost their job, are escaping abuse, or a number of other things. So yeah, a fair amount of people could not know shit about money, but there are most likely other factors too that they feel overwhelmed by and that could be why they feel they need magic to help. Then, there is the culture part, which I agree with you on, that is brainwashing kids to believe that they need every frickin electronic known to man and that you need the best stuff to impress other people because that will make you happy. That kind of thing puts a hurting on alot of families that have kids. Most families I know are in debt quite a bit after Christmas. Raising a kid today is about as expensive as buying a house. Clothes, shoes, baby equipment, food, furniture, school stuff, school activities, regular activies, birthdays, xmas, doctors visits, trips, car insurance, etc, and then throw college in there and you're in several thousand if not 10s of thousands of dollars. Its an expensive, at least 20 year investment that alot of people only get an emotional return on. Thats is why alot of people are in the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloe Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Whilst I'm not a fan of his books, I think it is good that he has given information on actual financial stuff. I suspect (and had it confirmed) that a fair amount of folks who look at money workings are in the hole because they can't understand money. Here in the UK (no idea about other countries) we don't have a course for teenagers to learn about basic budgeting just a spend spend spend culture. Whilst you can do that working for money or other financial matters, learning how to keep yourself out of the hole in the first place is better. So many books nowadays concentrate on the magical aspect that they ignore the mundane boring part. My view on this is if someone doesn't have the common sense to know not to do things like intentionally overdrawing their checking account to pay for extravagances, procrastinating on bills and getting late fees (and I'm talking about having the money to pay them but just not getting off their bum to get it done), living beyond their means, not keeping track of their money, not making use of the savings benefits available etc., how are they ever going to understand the complexities of performing magic and practicing witchcraft? Not saying that as witches we're all perfect financial wizards that never make monetary mistakes but c'mon.. Like WR said, our culture is definitely brainwashed into thinking that we 'need' soooo much more than we actually do, but I fail to see how anyone who doesn't have the strength of mind to realize that could possibly have the strength of mind to be an effective witch/magus/magical whatever. Anywhoo, for me, if I buy a book on magic and then open it and realize that it's 50% mundane common sense 101 lessons, I feel like half my money's been stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiterose Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 My view on this is if someone doesn't have the common sense to know not to do things like intentionally overdrawing their checking account to pay for extravagances, procrastinating on bills and getting late fees (and I'm talking about having the money to pay them but just not getting off their bum to get it done), living beyond their means, not keeping track of their money, not making use of the savings benefits available etc., how are they ever going to understand the complexities of performing magic and practicing witchcraft? Not saying that as witches we're all perfect financial wizards that never make monetary mistakes but c'mon.. Like WR said, our culture is definitely brainwashed into thinking that we 'need' soooo much more than we actually do, but I fail to see how anyone who doesn't have the strength of mind to realize that could possibly have the strength of mind to be an effective witch/magus/magical whatever. Anywhoo, for me, if I buy a book on magic and then open it and realize that it's 50% mundane common sense 101 lessons, I feel like half my money's been stolen. I agree with this and this goes back to one of the key things to being a witch imo. Common sense. For being so "common" it is so rare. And honestly, what kind of witch doesn't know how to bring in money? Its the thing our world turns on so you would think that bringing in money for financial stability would be one of the first things a witch would work on right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloe Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I agree with this and this goes back to one of the key things to being a witch imo. Common sense. For being so "common" it is so rare. And honestly, what kind of witch doesn't know how to bring in money? Its the thing our world turns on so you would think that bringing in money for financial stability would be one of the first things a witch would work on right? It's definitely one of the first things I started doing. If there was a good book out there on money magic, financial sorcery, whatever you want to call it, I'd probably buy it for some new ideas. I'm doing well financially but I recognize that without careful protection and maintenance a swift blow of bad luck could take that away. So I do money magic a lot to protect and maintain the financial success I currently have, and the workings are all my own creation. Oceana's Moon, if you ever come across a good book on this do post a review, I'd be interested. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiterose Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I agree with this and this goes back to one of the key things to being a witch imo. Common sense. For being so "common" it is so rare. And honestly, what kind of witch doesn't know how to bring in money? Its the thing our world turns on so you would think that bringing in money for financial stability would be one of the first things a witch would work on right? It's definitely one of the first things I started doing. If there was a good book out there on money magic, financial sorcery, whatever you want to call it, I'd probably buy it for some new ideas. I'm doing well financially but I recognize that without careful protection and maintenance a swift blow of bad luck could take that away. So I do money magic a lot to protect and maintain the financial success I currently have, and the workings are all my own creation. Oceana's Moon, if you ever come across a good book on this do post a review, I'd be interested. :) Financial workings definately need to be maintained, thats a good point. Let me just add that in my post I mean no disrespect to Oceana's Moon. Alot of us read books on stuff we already know to gain new little tidbits. My point above was that most witch's, at least the one's I know, already know how to make themselves financially sound and therefore wouldn't gain all that much from a book of this sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanasmoon Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 You have all made excellent points... Financial spells were the first I did. However, everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) was taken away in a flood 2 years ago, so I had to build from scratch again. lol But I have to agree with Aloe... a book on financial sorcery should contain a good deal more 'magical' than mundane in it. This didn't even come close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archabyss Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 As I said I'm not a fan of his books and haven't seen this one but I still will say these books sell well best to those who are desperate for cash. And sorry like it or not that situation where you are feeling emotional and need that money, magic will work and has done myself included found it when before I learnt anything about it. And yes there can be a price later but at that time the important thing is it worked. My only question is how is this book marketed? Maybe we are discussing a book that was meant to be for the beginners or immediate in the style we would discuss a more serious one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jevne Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Financial workings definately need to be maintained, thats a good point. Let me just add that in my post I mean no disrespect to Oceana's Moon. Alot of us read books on stuff we already know to gain new little tidbits. My point above was that most witch's, at least the one's I know, already know how to make themselves financially sound and therefore wouldn't gain all that much from a book of this sort. I agree with this, as maintaining financial security should be part of a set of ongoing magical workings, designed to protect and facilitate the overall well-being of the Witch and his/her family. I hear of a lot of people doing responsive and reactive "money" magic, though. Like they wait until they are desperate and think "Golly gee, might need some money. Better get off my ass and do something". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archabyss Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Reactive, exactly what I meant in my posts :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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