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I actually just brought up that book in another thread! The artwork is stunning though, no?

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 I knew the book was bad after I read a spell that required pipe cleaners and construction paper

:rofl: I'm so glad I found this thread so I can avoid all of this tripe!

 

Seven days to a magickal new you - by Fiona Horne.

 

Even when I was in my more "fluffy" days I was still disgusted by this book and tossed it out. lol

Are you sure that title isn't one by Gilderoy Lockhart??  :lol:

 

 

I've always been a fan of the library (and I'm lucky in that ours is a statewide library system in which you can request any book from any library for free) so I don't purchase any books unless I know I'm going to read them multiple times...

 

I never went through any Wicca phase because I didn't even know anything about it at all until my mid-30s and by that age I could easily spot made-up B.S.

( <very Dr Evil voice> 10 MILLION "Wiccans!" (See my Introduction post for my opinion on made-up religions retroactively claiming historical relevance)).

 

Anyway, while I can't claim an embarrassing book *purchase* I can say the most embarrassing book I checked out of the library (because sadly, they're almost all Wicca, regardless of the damn titles) was the big blue Raymond Buckland "Complete Book of Witchcraft" ...I didn't even get to chapter one though. I read the foreward/intro and About the Author (and also realized this dude made the Buckland Romani Tarot deck and was claiming "gypsy" heritage as more proof of his legitimacy (the term "gypsy" is a racial slur to most Roma/Romani people - just as bad to them as the n-word is to black people - and I don't know any one of them that sees that deck as a good thing for their cultures, just more stereotypical mish-mashing of many different Rom peoples and traditions from around the world as if they're all interchangeable)) and I couldn't stomach anymore. Why do so many of these authors have such HUGE egos?? :blink:

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Somewhere in a large rubbermaid tub in my parent's attic you'll find both To Ride a Silver Broomstick by Silver Ravenwolf and Celtic Myth and Magick by Edain McCoy... :down:

 

 

 

I had both of these. I can't even say I'm embarrassed though. The only books I'm really embarrassed that I read were the Twilight books. (It was a rough summer, ok? I was living at my mom's and I needed something - anything - to distract me from the badness of my life, and the badness of those books did the trick.) All the wicca books I bought and read were just layers of information. I kept what worked for me and let go of the rest so I could search for more. 

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:rofl: I'm so glad I found this thread so I can avoid all of this tripe!

 

Are you sure that title isn't one by Gilderoy Lockhart??  :lol:

 

 

I've always been a fan of the library (and I'm lucky in that ours is a statewide library system in which you can request any book from any library for free) so I don't purchase any books unless I know I'm going to read them multiple times...

 

I never went through any Wicca phase because I didn't even know anything about it at all until my mid-30s and by that age I could easily spot made-up B.S.

( <very Dr Evil voice> 10 MILLION "Wiccans!" (See my Introduction post for my opinion on made-up religions retroactively claiming historical relevance)).

 

Anyway, while I can't claim an embarrassing book *purchase* I can say the most embarrassing book I checked out of the library (because sadly, they're almost all Wicca, regardless of the damn titles) was the big blue Raymond Buckland "Complete Book of Witchcraft" ...I didn't even get to chapter one though. I read the foreward/intro and About the Author (and also realized this dude made the Buckland Romani Tarot deck and was claiming "gypsy" heritage as more proof of his legitimacy (the term "gypsy" is a racial slur to most Roma/Romani people - just as bad to them as the n-word is to black people - and I don't know any one of them that sees that deck as a good thing for their cultures, just more stereotypical mish-mashing of many different Rom peoples and traditions from around the world as if they're all interchangeable)) and I couldn't stomach anymore. Why do so many of these authors have such HUGE egos?? :blink:

 

 

I think because in Wicca (not to slam Wicca... Eh...) you have people that feel that they are "high priests" or "high priestesses" of whatever little "coven" they belong to, and then you have their little fans clamouring amongst them... Kind of like Gilderoy Lockhart! :D

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I actually just brought up that book in another thread! The artwork is stunning though, no?

Yes, it is certainly aesthetically beautiful. It makes a wonderful picture book, but not much else, I'm afraid.

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I do agree there! I truly love her positive outlook and what she says sounds so beautiful and nice, but it reads like a fantasy more than anything else.

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How to be a Wicked Witch by Patricia Telesco

 

Ok, I purchased this book mainly for entertainment value and for the fact that it was one cent from Amazon. I was not expecting to learn much but I did think that a self-proclaimed "folk magician" and author of over fifty metaphysical books might have something to offer. There were a few useful, though unoriginal ideas. It was heavily influenced by Wicca. But there was a section that recommended that if you're angry with someone you could just visualize bad things happening to them instead of using magic against them. No harm in that and no three fold law to deal with either! If I sat around visualizing bad things happening to someone and funeling my anger into that vision, bad things WOULD start happening to that person. I realized that Miss Patricia probably had no idea what she was talking about but was just cranking out books to make money. It really made me sad. Then I thought, well what was I expecting?????? It was dumb.

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LoL, there are occasionally books that you just have to get rid of, and not even give away, as they are pure trash.

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This is great fun reading through these....I have owned a fair few of these books...and. I still have them in a box somewhere, I find it hard to get rid of books!!

I have a fair few Wicca handbooks...all pretty much identical nonsense, I'm debating giving them to my teenage sis but don't want to poison her mind...haha although she would enjoy them as I did when I was 12.

5000 spells has a place on my book shelf just for fun and to scare people when they visit...????

Got to say Fiona Horne by far the worst.....

I still have a copy of Kate west the real witches kitchen in my cupboard....it's a lovely orange colour and looks cool next to the pumpkins at Halloween!!

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LoL, there are occasionally books that you just have to get rid of, and not even give away, as they are pure trash.

I should think they'd make excellent cauldron kindling, no? :cauldron:

Waste not, want not! :laugh:

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Thankfully I never bought too many books early on, but I have to admit that I also purchased one or two of S Cunninghams books. I can't say that I am embarrassed that I bought them as I did take a quite a few ideas from them. Although he was dedicated to the religious aspect of wicca and that is not my cup of tea at all, I like to take the positives from it and say it is good as a practitioner of the craft to gain knowledge of all branches of witchcraft including wicca, even if you don't agree with it.

 

Certainly some of the original practitioners of wicca also had many traditional practices before the wicca explosion so I wouldn't discount some of their books either. I think I put up my current "books to read" in another thread.

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LoL, there are occasionally books that you just have to get rid of, and not even give away, as they are pure trash.

 

 

I sell my bad ones to the local wiccans  :naughty:

 

 

I should think they'd make excellent cauldron kindling, no? :cauldron:

Waste not, want not! :lol:

 

Yeah, Lol. I definitely think my Wicked Witch book is going to start a nice fire soon. I wouldn't wish it on anyone else, especially as I frequently glare at it and tell it how lame it is. It's probably collected some pretty nasty vibes by now. :lol: 

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This is great fun reading through these....I have owned a fair few of these books...and. I still have them in a box somewhere, I find it hard to get rid of books!!

I have a fair few Wicca handbooks...all pretty much identical nonsense, I'm debating giving them to my teenage sis but don't want to poison her mind...haha although she would enjoy them as I did when I was 12.

5000 spells has a place on my book shelf just for fun and to scare people when they visit...

Got to say Fiona Horne by far the worst.....

I still have a copy of Kate west the real witches kitchen in my cupboard....it's a lovely orange colour and looks cool next to the pumpkins at Halloween!!

 

Funny, I was actually thinking Patricia Telesco was writing for twelve-year-olds as I was reading that book.

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Hey man, hop off, judika isles 5000 spells is decent for inspiration and ideas:).

 

 

I have to say Mrs Ravenwolf will forever hold my "most worthy of being kindling" award...

 

"To ride a silver broom stick" literally actually put me off witchcraft for a while. I was young. It was pre-internet. And per the B Dalton selection- I thought THAT was all there was to read on the matter. It's a tale of whoa, I tell you!

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I had the poor judgement to check out a book called "Witches" by Hans Holzer. I've read his book on ghosts, so I thought I knew what I was getting into... It was all information from Wiccans he'd interviewed that claimed Wicca to be the olde religion that was witchcraft, and it said that all witches follow those rules and blah blah blah blah blah. I returned it my next library shift!

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I've gotten to tHe point that I find my purchases from Xoanan, three hands press, etc to be embarrassing.

All of them are just someone else's idea of what witchcraft is. It's all just personal gnosis and personal ritual. Instead of putting forth works that imply they have a "traditional" way of practice they need to admit they have just created a new neo-witchcraft and stop pretending they are offering anything old. It's all rather embarrassing.

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I've gotten to tHe point that I find my purchases from Xoanan, three hands press, etc to be embarrassing.

All of them are just someone else's idea of what witchcraft is. It's all just personal gnosis and personal ritual. Instead of putting forth works that imply they have a "traditional" way of practice they need to admit they have just created a new neo-witchcraft and stop pretending they are offering anything old. It's all rather embarrassing.

 

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I don't know, RF. I've gotten some pretty interesting results from some of these books. So, I'd be a liar to sit here and say there is "nothing" to those books and so I'm not going to do that. The Dragon Book of Essex has personally done a lot for me as I've said before in forums, so I couldn't agree that it's all rather embarrassing. It has value to me, helping me get to my own personal gnosis and work through some things. So much so that I decided I am sticking with it through a third year. I hope in this third year I continue to learn. I certainly wouldn't have put this much effort into something that's crap.

 

Having said all of that, the books aren't for everybody and neither is that particular path. To me, it would all be rather boring anyway if we were all doing the same old thing anyway. So, maybe you are just into other stuff and being called to another path. You can get the same personal gnosis in a variety of ways, from a variety of paths. I don't think any path is less or more valid than another. JMO.

 

Regarding the "traditional aspect" and how new or old the material presented is...I have my thoughts about that, but I'm keeping most of it to myself for now. I will say that I think there might be some very old material in The Dragon Book reworked in a new way. There is a bit of tantra in the book, for sure, which runs parallel to some other things I'm doing separate from the book, and so it fits in nicely with what I'm personally doing. YMMV.

 

Regarding embarrassing books...I don't think I have any embarrassing books right now. I'll think on it and get back to this later, maybe.

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I'm not saying you won't get results from the books.

I'm sure you would get results from those books. Just like you could most likely get results from any of the other books discussed in this thread. It doesn't make any or all of the books any less or more embarrassing.

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I'm not saying you won't get results from the books.

I'm sure you would get results from those books. Just like you could most likely get results from any of the other books discussed in this thread. It doesn't make any or all of the books any less or more embarrassing.

 

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Well, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on the opinion of (at least some of) the CS books, I guess. I am not the least bit embarrassed by having this book. I think I understand where you are coming from though. Magic comes from inside of us, not books, and books are for knowledge seeking. Therefore, we can get results from any book we decide to use (if we decide to use books at all!). I agree with that to a point. I don't agree that all books are necessarily equal when it comes to "getting results" though. I also don't agree with the idea that "less or more embarrassing" is solely in the eye of the beholder. Some books truly suck. In addition to that, for the amount of time and energy those CS people must have put into their books....I just don't think you can compare it to something a Llewellyn author churned out in order to meet a deadline and cater to the masses at your local Barnes and Noble for $14.95. Not that there is anything wrong with some of those books-I have a few! But, I know there is a difference in quality.

 

At the end of the day, that's just my opinion though, right? Have a good day, dude.

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You shouldn't be embarrassed for having the books. No one should be embarrassed of any of their books. I just don't find value in the CS tradition. I can not speak to the Dragon book of Essex as I stopped reading Chumbley and other CS author's years ago. I have worked with the Azoetia, Qutub, and another one ( I don't remember its name now). And there is interesting information there, but I have just found it to be regurgitated information amongst other "traditional witchcraft" authors. And nothing against any of the authors or thier practice, but its more of a personal annoyance than anything. These claims of supposed "ancient traiditional" methods are nothing but neo-witchcraft attempts at pasturbation of what they want witchcraft to have been, but also want to make it a super wordy and pretentious elitism in the world of witchcraft. 

 

What I am saying, (and not trying to be personally offensive to people who follow or practice CS, or other traditions within the neo-traditional witchcraft boom that is current going on), is that these forms of modern witchcraft only have validity to the practitioner if that is what the practitioner seeks. One form of practice is no more valid or "less-embarrassing" than another. Yes, most everyone on this site gets eye-rollingly irritated with the "fluffy-bunny" "white lighter" New-ager type of witches, but I can say I have known a few of those types who could work magic 100 times more effectively than most of the "traditional" witches I have met and know. 

 

so yes-let's agree to disagree, I suppose; though that statement in and of itself is rather irritatingly dismissive. As what the person saying it really means is "I'm right, but I just don't feel like discussing this topic with you anymore since you clearly won't "get-it" "

 

And I am also very contrary currently, and I am not trying to piss a lot of people off. So I will stop now. Because, honestly, Anara you have always posted interesting and informative posts and I wish to continue reading them and having a dialogue with you. 

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For the record, when I say "Let's agree to disagree", it means just that. It means we are just not going to see eye to eye on something, which is fine and, so, why bother? I'll talk about the book and my experiences with the book, if you cared to discuss it. I work with this book entirely by myself and have literally nobody to talk to about it, other than my husband who gets tired of hearing about it...lol.I talk the poor man's ear off and he's soooo patient. I'd love to talk to other witches about these books, but it seems like nobody wants to, or nobody is working with them, so I keep it to myself.

 

"And there is interesting information there, but I have just found it to be regurgitated information amongst other "traditional witchcraft" authors. And nothing against any of the authors or thier practice, but its more of a personal annoyance than anything. These claims of supposed "ancient traiditional" methods are nothing but neo-witchcraft attempts at pasturbation of what they want witchcraft to have been, but also want to make it a super wordy and pretentious elitism in the world of witchcraft."

 

^^^ Regarding your thoughts here, I don't know that I agree and I've seen that type of thinking before on the internet regarding these books. I don't know why wordy= pretentious, necessarily. I live in a house where I have a husband who has a 155 verbal IQ and who uses big words daily...and not because he is pretentious...it is "his normal". Now, I have to look up a lot of these words because my verbal IQ most certainly isn't in the genius range, but it doesn't bother me (I'm kinda used to it anyway). I don't see anything wrong with broadening my vocabulary. I don't see it as elitist. I see it as just kinda...nerdy. LOL!! I also write poetry...so the flowery language I see as an art form and is actually well crafted IMO.

 

The cost of the books are high and some feel it is pretentious. However, I have paid more for college textbooks that I've used for a single semester! I think the books are worth the cost. Not the super inflated Ebay prices you see out there, mind you, but the publisher's costs are reasonable...considering. Also, as a side note...I have seen recently they are beginning to offer paperback copies of some of their books on amazon for much lower prices. That tells me they are trying to reach a wider audience.

 

Regarding the regurgitation of material; I can't honestly speak to much of that at this point. There may be truth to that and I'd love to hear about your reasoning behind that, if you are willing to discuss. However, know that this wasn't why I got this book in the first place. I had some very strange other worldly, soul changing, experiences with the book....some of which happened before I even got the book. Its the spirit of the book that ultimately impresses me, not the book itself, at the end of the day. Which is why I stubbornly say that a PDF download of the book is not where its at. Buy the book if you want to work the book. Its the right thing to do, plus there are other reasons that I'd prefer to keep to myself. In my experience, you won't regret it. The Dragon Book is a book of sacrifices...IMO the first sacrifice being one of monetary value. Also, I would not consider the spirit of the book to be neo-pagan at all. :)

 

Regarding being contrary....well, I don't personally see anything wrong with being a little contrary because at least you are thinking for yourself and are questioning things that may need to be questioned. I'm not mad at ya. You are just as entitled to your opinions as I am. So that is that.

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I have no idea what possessed me to buy this but the absolute worst thing I have ever read was "a guides guide to healing and mediumship." It was a lot of pages of the author claiming to be channeling a spirit guide that seemed to really boast about the author... Good thing it was channeled otherwise shed be accused of having a big head! I gave it to a charity shop, feel bad on anyone e that bought it.

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Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner - Scott Cunningham........................... One of the first books I bought. But I guess I really wasn't meant to have the book, it got lost after a month of so. Never really missed it. I guess I could pretty much put any book on wicca I have here, I always blush and get embarrassed when someone finds one of mine and asks about it.. I think I have Kate Wests - Real Witche's Handbook too, but looking back I have no idea why she called it that. The whole book is about wicca.. I think the Finnish title actually translates to "The Wiccan Handbook" instead of a witches.

I must admit that I did buy that one in my earlier incarnation as a Witch. But my first book was by Sylvia Brown. I saw her on television and that started me on the path. Shortly after that I was visited by my first Ghost, He was a little boy of about 5 or 6 years old. I think because of Sylvia's book, I was not afraid and I actually helped him pass over.

So lame books, but not at the stage I was at. They were my introduction to becoming a Witch. Not a bad thing.

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