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#121 Anara

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 02:30 PM

I'm not saying you won't get results from the books.
I'm sure you would get results from those books. Just like you could most likely get results from any of the other books discussed in this thread. It doesn't make any or all of the books any less or more embarrassing.

 

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Well, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on the opinion of (at least some of) the CS books, I guess. I am not the least bit embarrassed by having this book. I think I understand where you are coming from though. Magic comes from inside of us, not books, and books are for knowledge seeking. Therefore, we can get results from any book we decide to use (if we decide to use books at all!). I agree with that to a point. I don't agree that all books are necessarily equal when it comes to "getting results" though. I also don't agree with the idea that "less or more embarrassing" is solely in the eye of the beholder. Some books truly suck. In addition to that, for the amount of time and energy those CS people must have put into their books....I just don't think you can compare it to something a Llewellyn author churned out in order to meet a deadline and cater to the masses at your local Barnes and Noble for $14.95. Not that there is anything wrong with some of those books-I have a few! But, I know there is a difference in quality.

 

At the end of the day, that's just my opinion though, right? Have a good day, dude.


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#122 RavenFlyer

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 09:12 PM

You shouldn't be embarrassed for having the books. No one should be embarrassed of any of their books. I just don't find value in the CS tradition. I can not speak to the Dragon book of Essex as I stopped reading Chumbley and other CS author's years ago. I have worked with the Azoetia, Qutub, and another one ( I don't remember its name now). And there is interesting information there, but I have just found it to be regurgitated information amongst other "traditional witchcraft" authors. And nothing against any of the authors or thier practice, but its more of a personal annoyance than anything. These claims of supposed "ancient traiditional" methods are nothing but neo-witchcraft attempts at pasturbation of what they want witchcraft to have been, but also want to make it a super wordy and pretentious elitism in the world of witchcraft. 

 

What I am saying, (and not trying to be personally offensive to people who follow or practice CS, or other traditions within the neo-traditional witchcraft boom that is current going on), is that these forms of modern witchcraft only have validity to the practitioner if that is what the practitioner seeks. One form of practice is no more valid or "less-embarrassing" than another. Yes, most everyone on this site gets eye-rollingly irritated with the "fluffy-bunny" "white lighter" New-ager type of witches, but I can say I have known a few of those types who could work magic 100 times more effectively than most of the "traditional" witches I have met and know. 

 

so yes-let's agree to disagree, I suppose; though that statement in and of itself is rather irritatingly dismissive. As what the person saying it really means is "I'm right, but I just don't feel like discussing this topic with you anymore since you clearly won't "get-it" "

 

And I am also very contrary currently, and I am not trying to piss a lot of people off. So I will stop now. Because, honestly, Anara you have always posted interesting and informative posts and I wish to continue reading them and having a dialogue with you. 


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#123 Anara

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 12:15 PM

For the record, when I say "Let's agree to disagree", it means just that. It means we are just not going to see eye to eye on something, which is fine and, so, why bother? I'll talk about the book and my experiences with the book, if you cared to discuss it. I work with this book entirely by myself and have literally nobody to talk to about it, other than my husband who gets tired of hearing about it...lol.I talk the poor man's ear off and he's soooo patient. I'd love to talk to other witches about these books, but it seems like nobody wants to, or nobody is working with them, so I keep it to myself.

 

"And there is interesting information there, but I have just found it to be regurgitated information amongst other "traditional witchcraft" authors. And nothing against any of the authors or thier practice, but its more of a personal annoyance than anything. These claims of supposed "ancient traiditional" methods are nothing but neo-witchcraft attempts at pasturbation of what they want witchcraft to have been, but also want to make it a super wordy and pretentious elitism in the world of witchcraft."

 

^^^ Regarding your thoughts here, I don't know that I agree and I've seen that type of thinking before on the internet regarding these books. I don't know why wordy= pretentious, necessarily. I live in a house where I have a husband who has a 155 verbal IQ and who uses big words daily...and not because he is pretentious...it is "his normal". Now, I have to look up a lot of these words because my verbal IQ most certainly isn't in the genius range, but it doesn't bother me (I'm kinda used to it anyway). I don't see anything wrong with broadening my vocabulary. I don't see it as elitist. I see it as just kinda...nerdy. LOL!! I also write poetry...so the flowery language I see as an art form and is actually well crafted IMO.

 

The cost of the books are high and some feel it is pretentious. However, I have paid more for college textbooks that I've used for a single semester! I think the books are worth the cost. Not the super inflated Ebay prices you see out there, mind you, but the publisher's costs are reasonable...considering. Also, as a side note...I have seen recently they are beginning to offer paperback copies of some of their books on amazon for much lower prices. That tells me they are trying to reach a wider audience.

 

Regarding the regurgitation of material; I can't honestly speak to much of that at this point. There may be truth to that and I'd love to hear about your reasoning behind that, if you are willing to discuss. However, know that this wasn't why I got this book in the first place. I had some very strange other worldly, soul changing, experiences with the book....some of which happened before I even got the book. Its the spirit of the book that ultimately impresses me, not the book itself, at the end of the day. Which is why I stubbornly say that a PDF download of the book is not where its at. Buy the book if you want to work the book. Its the right thing to do, plus there are other reasons that I'd prefer to keep to myself. In my experience, you won't regret it. The Dragon Book is a book of sacrifices...IMO the first sacrifice being one of monetary value. Also, I would not consider the spirit of the book to be neo-pagan at all. :)

 

Regarding being contrary....well, I don't personally see anything wrong with being a little contrary because at least you are thinking for yourself and are questioning things that may need to be questioned. I'm not mad at ya. You are just as entitled to your opinions as I am. So that is that.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 10:56 PM

I have no idea what possessed me to buy this but the absolute worst thing I have ever read was "a guides guide to healing and mediumship." It was a lot of pages of the author claiming to be channeling a spirit guide that seemed to really boast about the author... Good thing it was channeled otherwise shed be accused of having a big head! I gave it to a charity shop, feel bad on anyone e that bought it.

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 05:10 PM

Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner - Scott Cunningham........................... One of the first books I bought. But I guess I really wasn't meant to have the book, it got lost after a month of so. Never really missed it. I guess I could pretty much put any book on wicca I have here, I always blush and get embarrassed when someone finds one of mine and asks about it.. I think I have Kate Wests - Real Witche's Handbook too, but looking back I have no idea why she called it that. The whole book is about wicca.. I think the Finnish title actually translates to "The Wiccan Handbook" instead of a witches.


I must admit that I did buy that one in my earlier incarnation as a Witch. But my first book was by Sylvia Brown. I saw her on television and that started me on the path. Shortly after that I was visited by my first Ghost, He was a little boy of about 5 or 6 years old. I think because of Sylvia's book, I was not afraid and I actually helped him pass over.
So lame books, but not at the stage I was at. They were my introduction to becoming a Witch. Not a bad thing.

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#126 OwlSerpent

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 05:31 PM

We need these awful books, they're good to compare against haha like a control group.
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Posted 05 August 2019 - 03:15 AM

The very first witchcraft book I bought with my own money when I was around 13 was a used copy of Solitary Witch: The Ultimate Book of Shadows for the New Generation by Silver RavenWolf. As a 13 year old I did not bother trying to look up reviews, even though I should have at least done that much, but simply got the largest thickest book on witchcraft I could find because I wanted the bang for my buck. Also as a youngin' I was under the terribly naive impression that if it's printed it can't possibly be wrong, my teacher fact checks my essays so I would assume a publisher would do so as well. I remember pulling literally an all nighter reading and hanging on every word using a flashlight. Even more embarrassing was when I finished reading nonstop for the many hours it took to finish I did one of the spells for acne in the book. 

 

I stopped looking into witchcraft for a bit shoved it to the back of my closet and a few years later got back into it, pulled it out started reading it again but this time as I was reading I was a lot more critical and didn't get far until I thought to myself, "This is shit." and tossed it in the trash. Give it SEVERAL years later I had since moved out of my parents house and was on my own for college. I came back to my parents house to visit and figured I would grab some more things from my old room to take back with me and I open my closet door and there it is. Very confused by this I ask my mom and she said she saw it in the trash awhile back so put it in my room again. Apparently I just didn't notice at all and am not as apt as I thought I was with the location of things in my own living space. I threw it away again and my parents moved so I assume it's gone for good but dang it took a lot longer than it should have to lose ownership of that book.

 

Even now this has been the only time I've mentioned it to anyone that I had it much less actually tried using it. But hey we all start somewhere, live and let learn.


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 10:01 PM

Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner - Scott Cunningham........................... One of the first books I bought. But I guess I really wasn't meant to have the book, it got lost after a month of so. Never really missed it. I guess I could pretty much put any book on wicca I have here, I always blush and get embarrassed when someone finds one of mine and asks about it.. I think I have Kate Wests - Real Witche's Handbook too, but looking back I have no idea why she called it that. The whole book is about wicca.. I think the Finnish title actually translates to "The Wiccan Handbook" instead of a witches.

I bought that piece of crap as well.  Lots of cutesy fluff, no substance.


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#129 Kathen

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:12 AM

I’ve recently been subjecting myself to a string of embarrassing book purchases. Not because they are bad or embarrass me based upon content, but because I have to figure out how to hide them now.

I’ve always been very frugal. I’ve always done what was best for the family....but I’ve recently purchased something like $650 worth of books...somewhat impulsively.

Let this be a testament to context. You’re embarrassed by your choice of content...but I may literally DIE when my wife finds out. At least a Silver Ravenwolf paperback won’t get you stabbed by an angry Virgo in her third trimester.

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 02:04 PM

It's so difficult to buy books on line because I can't examine them the way I would like, and chain bookstores rarely carry much that I want, or I already have what they do.  Where I am there are 'real' witchcraft shops.


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#131 FancyShadowCat

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 05:35 AM

We need these awful books, they're good to compare against haha like a control group.


As someone new, I have half valued a book by robin artisson specifically for showing me what I did not agree with. I have lleywellen book on the four elements and I also don’t much care for that one, but it did help lead me to an understanding of the elements as forces much more primal and intuitive than what that book would illustrate.
The embarrassing books are honestly helpful. Though it’s a tad annoying that I could’ve spent that money on a good book.

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 02:11 PM

I fell into the Llewellyn trap years ago when I was a teen studying Wicca.  In many ways I am thankful because it was Wicca the ultimately brought me to where I am now.  I often describe those books as 'Gateway Magick'.  It makes you hungry for more.


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Posted 08 August 2019 - 04:45 PM

Gateway Magick, yes I agree, we all start somewhere.
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