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#41 Hawkgirl23

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:12 PM

In think 3 things are essential:
The first is being able to draw/channel energy and use this to spell your intent and bring about your desired result. Power to your spells.
The second is to know that you are a Witch and have confidence in your abilities.
The third is to have an open mind, both consciously and also open your psychic mind through meditation.

After this go with whatever your crooked path takes you, but make time to sit outside both in day and night and listen. More will come to you that way than you can even imagine!

So my foundational basics are focussed on mindset and energy. If you can't channel energy or draw on the web of Wyrd then in my opinion you are not a Witch.


Great post and I agree on all your points.

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#42 Whiterose

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 01:25 AM

One other thing that I would add to this is that you are your own best teacher....... not youtube. ;) Better to try things for yourself and fail than to be a slave to the witchy porn on youtube.
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#43 Jevne

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:48 AM

One other thing that I would add to this is that you are your own best teacher....... not youtube. ;) Better to try things for yourself and fail than to be a slave to the witchy porn on youtube.


Yeah, have to be careful of all that stupid shit being prattle off by newbies and wannabes on YouTube. Just because someone claims to be a Trad, doesn't mean they are. Getting out in nature and living the Witchy life is far better.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:01 AM

Yeah, have to be careful of all that stupid shit being prattle off by newbies and wannabes on YouTube. Just because someone claims to be a Trad, doesn't mean they are. Getting out in nature and living the Witchy life is far better.

J

I agree, so often someone reads one book on traditional craft and thinks they are an expert and starts making videos. Its so much better to learn from experience not someones filtered view of another witch's book. I haven't found many channels worth watching. Please let me know if tou have favorites though, there might be good ones out there. And maybe newbies will learn stuff from talking about things they are learning on video. Though I do love to listen to music on youtube and practice my Gaeilge (Irish) on vimeo and Youtube. Some witch related skills like herbalism can be aided by good videos, I like herb mentor lessons on their website, mountain rose also has some decent instructionals. I prefer to be seeing things done that I can emulate rather than just watching talking heads!

The foundational basics are best practiced rather than just watched.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:44 PM

I'm going to agree on all three points made here. Youtube can be such a wastedump its not even funny, and I'm not joking about this either. You hardly ever see any of these so-called witches being out in nature. I've seen a couple but not enough to give me much hope. I did some outside video's myself as I just love being around nature and feeling the soil under my feet. I also love the beach and when I get a chance to get my skinny butt down to an actual beach (and, no, I don't consider the sand at six flags an actual beach) I'm going to do some freaking video's and share the love that I have for nature. I use to live in Florida so I know, personally, how strong the power of water can be.

Non-pagans out there don't believe me, ask those that have gone under and never come back.

Edited by Hawkgirl23, 04 May 2012 - 02:45 PM.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:02 PM

I agree, so often someone reads one book on traditional craft and thinks they are an expert and starts making videos. Its so much better to learn from experience not someones filtered view of another witch's book. I haven't found many channels worth watching. Please let me know if tou have favorites though, there might be good ones out there. And maybe newbies will learn stuff from talking about things they are learning on video. Though I do love to listen to music on youtube and practice my Gaeilge (Irish) on vimeo and Youtube. Some witch related skills like herbalism can be aided by good videos, I like herb mentor lessons on their website, mountain rose also has some decent instructionals. I prefer to be seeing things done that I can emulate rather than just watching talking heads!

The foundational basics are best practiced rather than just watched.



I love the herb mentor lessons, I find they are inspirational and make me want to get off my ass and go play in the garden or take the dog for a walk through the woods. I'm not bashing instructional videos at all...if they are worthwhile and inspire one to action.

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#47 Lynn

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:53 AM

I'm going to agree on all three points made here. Youtube can be such a wastedump its not even funny, and I'm not joking about this either. You hardly ever see any of these so-called witches being out in nature. I've seen a couple but not enough to give me much hope. I did some outside video's myself as I just love being around nature and feeling the soil under my feet. I also love the beach and when I get a chance to get my skinny butt down to an actual beach (and, no, I don't consider the sand at six flags an actual beach) I'm going to do some freaking video's and share the love that I have for nature. I use to live in Florida so I know, personally, how strong the power of water can be.

Non-pagans out there don't believe me, ask those that have gone under and never come back.


A lot of folks don't do their vid recording outside due to the fact that the wind can wreck havoc with your mike and make it near impossible to hear. Inside recording is much easier to control. :) Just saying.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:07 PM

This really resonated with me. I think it's much harder to do than it sounds on the surface. Getting to really know yourself can take a lifetime.
I was probably a teenager when I first heard this phrase, and thought it was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard.. "How can I not know myself? What does that even mean??"
Later on, as I matured, the profundity of this hit home. Knowing yourself requires one to be completely objective, truly open-minded, and brutally honest. Sometimes it requires experience too- you may have to be thrust into a certain situation to found out what you're made of. It's difficult to look from the outside in. On top of that, if you're constantly evolving and learning and experiencing, then you're also a moving target, so to speak. You might have gotten to know yourself only to have to reacquaint part of yourself ..with yourself.

I have been reading through this whole thread, but I have to stop here. I cannot read another word until I respond. I simply cannot focus now. I am compelled to respond, from deep within. I realize that I am very new to this site and don't really have the right to give advice yet, plus having been broken in my own journey that has spanned my entire life, but I am not new to the world of spiritual things and witchcraft, and I must give the advice that I have. I utterly agree with this, Grymdycche. You are so right about thinking you know yourself, but one day you realize you do not. My life was fine, pitfalls and all, I felt whole and confident and went on my spiritual way as if the world would never end. But then when my family died, I realized that I knew nothing. My spirit was so entangled with the spirit and knowledge of my family's that when they left my world, there was nothing left of me. My entire foundation was crumbled. And I laid dormant for a few years. Not only did I have to deal with the layers of grief of losing my physical loved ones, but I also had to deal with the grief of losing my connection, which did actually take a while for me to realize even happened. I was brought back to my "infant" form, completely crushed and spiritually obliterated. And now I am picking myself up, finally, but I am basically going to start over and find my own self within Spirit. It is my essence and my source of life and energy, and without it there is nothing else. No connection, no magic, no spirit, no life. It is sad to feel dead, but that is how I have felt, without being able to feel the spirit around me in all things as I always did, that has been my life's breath, it has been like hell. Reconnecting has been the best decision, well I don't even know now if I really made this decision or if I have been compelled to by my Spiritual guides, but however it has come about, it has been the best thing I could do for myself.

So my advice to anyone beginning their path would be to make sure you are connecting with Spirit through your own spirit and your own self, and not feeding off of others. Learn who you truly are, not just your connections through others or family/ancestral ties, or even friends who are starting out with you. It is hard to do, especially when you are surrounded by other spiritual folks. Be your own and make sure your personal foundation is not tied to another. For if it is, when they leave you, you will be in the place that I have been, and I wouldn't want anyone to feel what I have felt. There are things worse than physical death.

Edited to add: Now, I can resume my reading back on page 2. Very interesting reading with so much good advice from those who are wiser than myself.:)


Edited by elizabeth, 24 May 2012 - 03:08 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 05:10 PM

One other thing that I would add to this is that you are your own best teacher....... not youtube. ;) Better to try things for yourself and fail than to be a slave to the witchy porn on youtube.



Not if you have no idea what you're looking for, cannot identify what you are working with, and have nothing to go on whatsoever.

You can't look something up that you've never heard of or cnnot identify on sight ( a plant you've never seen before for example ) , and if there are no physical resources ( occult bookshops, an actual person who is willing to share what knowledge they have on the thing ect ) then frankly a youtube video isn't such a bad idea if it's all you can find to go on.

Sometimes you cannot just "know" things.

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#50 sarasuperid

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 05:41 PM

Not if you have no idea what you're looking for, cannot identify what you are working with, and have nothing to go on whatsoever.

You can't look something up that you've never heard of or cnnot identify on sight ( a plant you've never seen before for example ) , and if there are no physical resources ( occult bookshops, an actual person who is willing to share what knowledge they have on the thing ect ) then frankly a youtube video isn't such a bad idea if it's all you can find to go on.

Sometimes you cannot just "know" things.


There are awesome plant ID books, I highly suggest getting one out from the library and getting out there in the woods. Some of the best ones sort by leaf type, and then stalk type, then leaf distribution, etc. This way you can narrow your search down to just a few plants and then identify the right one. At that point you can sit with the plant and compare what it is telling you about itself with what the book says. For example, does the plant grow under trees in the shade, or in the sun? Is it thriving in a dry place or in a wet place. Even that much tells a lot. If the plant has flowers, what kind of bugs is it attracting to pollinate it. You can be your own best teacher by getting out and doing and then checking out resources to confirm and elaborate on what you are learning.

Also this site is a huge resource.

Basically when I see statements like this, I think to myself of the thousands of witches and even wiccans who do it solitary and do it very well, with no teacher, with no coven. I know some people want a teacher, but it is not necessary! Yes you can just know things, but you have to believe in yourself enough to do so. Thats a huge part of being a witch.

I do have a coven, but you know what I didn't for five years. Five years I did my own thing and developed my own knowledge.

It made me a better member of a coven because I already had things to contribute.

Then after that I did find a teacher, but the teacher didn't want total newbies who didn't know anything. He wanted people who knew they wanted to be witches and had been doing it for awhile.

Don't just wait around, you are more likely to get noticed by a teacher or a coven once you are already living the witch life.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:29 PM

^_^ think your quite right on that S,also if you can incorporate both,well happy days.
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#52 Marabet

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:47 PM

Basically when I see statements like this, I think to myself of the thousands of witches and even wiccans who do it solitary and do it very well, with no teacher, with no coven. I know some people want a teacher, but it is not necessary! Yes you can just know things, but you have to believe in yourself enough to do so. Thats a huge part of being a witch.


Yup. I also think on how this all began. What human teacher taught the first witches? None. Witchcraft in the very traditional sense of it is learned from the gut and possibly from otherworldly allies. Everything else is additions to that.



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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:47 PM

Not if you have no idea what you're looking for, cannot identify what you are working with, and have nothing to go on whatsoever.

You can't look something up that you've never heard of or cnnot identify on sight ( a plant you've never seen before for example ) , and if there are no physical resources ( occult bookshops, an actual person who is willing to share what knowledge they have on the thing ect ) then frankly a youtube video isn't such a bad idea if it's all you can find to go on.

Sometimes you cannot just "know" things.



I was referring to youtube not being the best resource because it full of misinformation. Most videos on the craft are by newbies for newbies. Also, if you are new to the craft it can quickly become a crutch and keep you from listening to own intuition. Plant videos are different. There are great herbal websites that have credible information by certified herbalists. Herbmentor.com has these and I do watch them.

Also, Honeythorn, you do know quite abit about witchcraft from the posts I have read. I would have had no idea how to clean roadkill or make ritual headdresses. For other areas of the craft this website is a great resource and so are the members the visit it.

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#54 Lynn

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 09:24 PM

I would like to add that Youtube actually can be an excellent resource. Youtube is like any other source of information, including books, and people you talk to face-to-face. You have to sift through all the BS and idiots, and find the authentic stuff. That ain't easy, but the more you do it, the better you get at it. And Youtube can be a stepping off point for a seeker as well.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 09:45 PM

I would like to add that Youtube actually can be an excellent resource. Youtube is like any other source of information, including books, and people you talk to face-to-face. You have to sift through all the BS and idiots, and find the authentic stuff. That ain't easy, but the more you do it, the better you get at it. And Youtube can be a stepping off point for a seeker as well.


Once someone has some experience behind them, they are better able to sift through the crap. I think Youtube has much much much more crap on it than the other types of resources that have been recommended. A new witch should not be wasting a ton of time sifting through junk, they should be out there doing things. Yes anything can be a stepping off point for a seeker, but we want to recommend the best sources here not the worst.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 09:49 PM

*perks up* did someone say, witchy porn? :cauldron:



One other thing that I would add to this is that you are your own best teacher....... not youtube. ;) Better to try things for yourself and fail than to be a slave to the witchy porn on youtube.


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:10 AM

All really good answers from everyone. My personal system has a basic structure in terms of what we do and the training involved. We call this system the gathered thorns, which is a set of skills we work to master. There are five skills, which are represented by the five tips of a five-pointed star imagery. The phases of training are: herbalist, seer, spirit medium, mystic and magic user. The order is not fixed, and within each skill there are related facets. I don't regard this as definitive, meaning that I wouldn't say that a person has to subscribe to this in order to be a witch. I simply see it as what is done in my system in order to have a standard for its practitioners.


Shadow Touch, I find your term ' the gathered thorns' very intriguing. My own tradition has similar sayings and practices.


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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:06 PM

Thank you everyone who contributed to this thread. There are things said here that are very helpful to me right now.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:17 PM

Thank you everyone who contributed to this thread. There are things said here that are very helpful to me right now.


Well welcome back, JB!

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:14 AM

After this go with whatever your crooked path takes you, but make time to sit outside both in day and night and listen. More will come to you that way than you can even imagine!


I think I had an epic fail in this area. Live and learn I guess.

I think in all areas of our life we can get so distracted by the good and important parts, that we stop engaging in the essential and the great parts. I think I need to decide what is essential and foundational, and make a list, and hang it above the computer, so I don't forget what my priorities are. I lost my way. I think getting lost has it's good points, taking us places we otherwise never would have gone, but...I got lost, and forgot what was essential and foundational.

And SITTING OUTSIDE is foundational. It's easy and it doesn't cost anything. Isn't it funny how the foundational stuff is all free? And usually easy too?


Thanks Marabet!

Edited by JuniperBaby, 28 June 2012 - 03:16 AM.

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