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Thankyou Michele, for writing this. I'm almost ready to start working with spirits (just a bit more work needed on the fear factor). I have read with great interest all the recent posts about Spirit although I didn't feel knowledgable in practise to make any useful comments.

 

As you so rightly state state in your second paragraph, its not something I'm rushing into, I've done alot of reading; here on the forums, on various internet sites and books, and have had to deal with doubts as to whether or not I wanted to go any further. My gut feelings are that I do.

 

 

So thankyou again for posting your observations, they are a timely reminder and gratefully received.

 

 

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Michele, thank you for sharing such wisdom. I needed to hear all of this, especially the part about what you feel is what you feel, and that it's okay as long as you keep it under control. If truth be told, getting back my perception of spirits which aren't land/nature spirits (trees etc., I never lost that) has put me well out of my comfort zone (though it's exciting too). I think that's largely because it's been so unexpected, and some of it I'm sure is also a conditioned response.

 

I'm going to try not to push myself too far beyond my limits at the moment. I am still figuring out exactly what I believe. I know for certain that spirits are there, whether or not I feel able to work with them directly is another matter. Mostly I think I'm scared of biting off way more than I can chew. I don't really know what I can and cannot handle yet. I definitely don't want to end up in a situation where I'm working with spirits for fear of what will happen if I don't. I acknowledge they are there but I am not sure exactly what to do with that acknowledgement.

 

Sorry if this is all a bit scrambled, just back from a long walk.

 

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Very good and informative post Michele!

 

I would add...do NOT waffle on one's decision. Make your decision, carry it out, and do not look back. Do not second guess yourself, and do not cave in to pleading or threats from a given entity. Stand your ground firmly.

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And a thank you to Jevne and Scylla (sp?) for planting the notion that some of the downside should be discussed, lol.

 

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Thank you for taking the time to create this valuable thread.

 

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Indeed - thanks for taking the time to go over some of these topics. It's not (generally) all doom and gloom - but it can turn that way. My main criticism of books is that they often don't cover "And if somehow that doesn't work right, and this happens..."

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I'm going to try not to push myself too far beyond my limits at the moment. I am still figuring out exactly what I believe. I know for certain that spirits are there, whether or not I feel able to work with them directly is another matter. Mostly I think I'm scared of biting off way more than I can chew. I don't really know what I can and cannot handle yet. I definitely don't want to end up in a situation where I'm working with spirits for fear of what will happen if I don't. I acknowledge they are there but I am not sure exactly what to do with that acknowledgement.

 

 

Thank you, Michele, for posting this as it is very timely for me, too. And Sparrow.... I couldn't have said it better. Sounds like we are both in the same boat. I know things can go wrong, and with kids in the house, it worries me. I've had issues with spirits before that I hadn't (at least not intentionally) provoked/invoked/invited, and it was not something that I want to repeat with the littles running around. On the other hand, I can't shake the feeling that this is the direction that I need to go. But in the meantime, I'll read, and keep reading, and when I think I'm ready... I'll read some more, just to make sure. Sigh.... like my best friend says, though, "Nothing worth anything in this life is ever gotten without risk".

 

Thanks to everyone, though... at least I know I'm not the only one who is uncertain about this.

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... I know things can go wrong, and with kids in the house, it worries me. ..

 

My son (who is 20 and not into witchcraft) was in the house sleeping as were 2 other people when I had a little "problem" and the other two sleeping girls got physically ill with the same (not air-born) illness and I was also hit (differently) but my son was fine (he was about 16 or 17 at the time). I later discussed this with him becuae I was curious why he didn't get sick and he said (majorly paraphrased) "You remener when I was little and you told me how to protect myself before I go to sleep and said I sould do it every night? I do - don't you do it everynight like you told me to?"

 

And no, I didn't at that time. I had just kinda "got out of the habit." It never pays to be too lax or too cocky lol.

 

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... and do not cave in to pleading or threats from a given entity. Stand your ground firmly.

 

That is interesting to me regarding spirit houses and such - I usually see spirits more as "spirit energies" rather than physicaly manifesting sit down and converse with me beings - unless it is a dream interaction (which varies but is much less "human-like"). I also don't want people to think I'm going about offing spirits, lol, but only if there is a problem I would banish it from my house or bind it into something (did that once with an obsidian in a jar, then "let it go" out in the wild). I know that sounds daft, but again re responsibility I didn't want this thing leaving my house and popping into the nearist dewlling (my neighbor's). But my "talking" with spirits for me comes in more like "downloaded knowledge" if that makes any sense. I really don't know how else to explain it. But also, I don't work with the more ceremonial rituals which conjure an entity (often against its will) into triangles in which it is my understanding they do physicaly manifest. I tend to work with things that want to work with me... it seems to be more of a "softer" energy if that makes sense. Yes, one can end up with something not nice, but for me the majority of the time it is something beneficial. With my spirit houses I don't do a ritual to open actually open a specific portal. My thought-form old lady was something different, and becuase of what I was doing it was done in a protected space and was completed in that space until she was bound to me (which I used a blood-cord for) and only then did I take down the protection. I do believe that magic worked attracts attentioin. What we do may not be seen by the neighbors, but it is seen in other worlds and once one waves a flag and yells "Hey all - I'm here" even if they don't mean to do anything other than their specific working, it is seen. A compass laid is a compass laid. One's neighbors may just think its the crazy neighbor walking in cirlces again, but the other worlds know what it is and they take notice.

 

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My son (who is 20 and not into witchcraft) was in the house sleeping as were 2 other people when I had a little "problem" and the other two sleeping girls got physically ill with the same (not air-born) illness and I was also hit (differently) but my son was fine (he was about 16 or 17 at the time). I later discussed this with him becuae I was curious why he didn't get sick and he said (majorly paraphrased) "You remener when I was little and you told me how to protect myself before I go to sleep and said I sould do it every night? I do - don't you do it everynight like you told me to?"

 

And no, I didn't at that time. I had just kinda "got out of the habit." It never pays to be too lax or too cocky lol.

 

M

 

Dear Michele,

 

 

As I have two children in the house, I was wondering what you told your son to say to protect himself; that may be useful for me as I could teach my children to do the same! If you cannot, that's OK.

 

I was also wondering about the following: my children go to their Muslim dad every week-end. When they enter my house, I feel as though djinn or any Muslim entities are at my door and I don't want them to enter my house. I believe that the power of my mind is strong enough to keep them out as I cannot feel anything here, but I just feel I need to be prepared.

 

The power of words, yes I understand that power. Maybe I need to say it out loud: namely that I do not want any djinn in my house.

 

I am aware that djinn come from a pre-Islamic tradition and were incorporated into Islam. I do not practice it any more, but I still have a connection with it, and with the spirits who believe in it. I want to sever that connection. I do not mind having the knowledge I gathered about Islam, as I have discovered that any knowledge is useful, but I want to be free. I would be interested in your honest thoughts regarding this issue, if you have time, thanks!

 

 

Kind regards,

 

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...I was also wondering about the following: my children go to their Muslim dad every week-end. When they enter my house, I feel as though djinn or any Muslim entities are at my door and I don't want them to enter my house. I believe that the power of my mind is strong enough to keep them out as I cannot feel anything here, but I just feel I need to be prepared.

 

The power of words, yes I understand that power. Maybe I need to say it out loud: namely that I do not want any djinn in my house...

 

 

Heks coffee.gif (me reading the posts, lol, holding a cup of tea!! bliss! cloud9.gif)

 

Are these things you have actually worked with, or just things you are aware exist? What does a djinn mean to you - not the definition, but why do you think this is comming looking for you? I know little of Muslin practices, and I am surprised they would include any evcation of spirits and/or djinn. Is this an emotional association and reaction, or does your ex practice magic?

 

I am loathe to say how I told my son to protect himself only becuase it is so simple that it sounds laughable, lol. But honestly, it has always worked for me. Despite all the hooha about circles, spheres have been used in occult and magic for ages. I told him to place himself within a glowing circle of light. I will also blast out my house with this - I breathe in and out and gather up the flame (serpent energy, forge fire, whatever one wants to call it) inside my center until it is very built up and then just blast it out through the house, pushing out any build-up and then placing my house and myself within a circle of light. Oddly breathing in that flame doesn't "wake" me up and get me wired, but rather centers me and after it is blasted I feel very relaxed and usually go to sleep quite easily. Kids are usually familiar with Christmas balls, so I would say to imagine a Christmas ball made of light and step inside of it. Even in the animal world, herds that are threatened will often place the babies in the center and form a circle about them facing outwards against the threat.

 

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Are these things you have actually worked with, or just things you are aware exist? What does a djinn mean to you - not the definition, but why do you think this is comming looking for you? I know little of Muslin practices, and I am surprised they would include any evcation of spirits and/or djinn. Is this an emotional association and reaction, or does your ex practice magic?

 

Dear Michele,

I think djinn would see me as a likely candidate to follow Islam as I believe in other worlds and supernatural powers. They try to channel my beliefs in to worshippping their illah or God, and it was only when I held my Witch figurine in my hand that the spell was broken so to speak and I woke up! I then left that religion for ever. (I have knowledge though, which I want to use to protect myself.) The figurine of the Witch in my hand was a wake-up call! I suddenly felt so attached to this figurine, and that was that.

 

Now I want to protect myself. My ex-husband does not practice magic, to my knowledge, and this link with Islam predates him in any case. Yes, Muslims do use djinn to predict the future, but these are usually people who are in danger in Muslim countries, where such divination practices are forbidden. For me to ignore djinn would be dangerous. I simply want nothing to do with them any more, whether they are Muslim or not. I am aware of them but don't want to interact with them. I wish to have a shield between them and me. I am now connecting with my ancestors, as I am learning more about my Mother's line and have discovered my Great-Grandmother had a relationship with a crow and used to paint animal's feet on the walls of her house! I was always spiritual and I wasted a lot of years on a religion which never made me happy. Now I am going back to my roots, and my Great-Grandmother Emma has become an anchor for me now. Muslim Witches may use djinn but I am not Muslim and I don't want to use them and I don't want to be used by them either!

 

I am loathe to say how I told my son to protect himself only becuase it is so simple that it sounds laughable, lol. But honestly, it has always worked for me. Despite all the hooha about circles, spheres have been used in occult and magic for ages. I told him to place himself within a glowing circle of light. I will also blast out my house with this - I breathe in and out and gather up the flame (serpent energy, forge fire, whatever one wants to call it) inside my center until it is very built up and then just blast it out through the house, pushing out any build-up and then placing my house and myself within a circle of light. Oddly breathing in that flame doesn't "wake" me up and get me wired, but rather centers me and after it is blasted I feel very relaxed and usually go to sleep quite easily. Kids are usually familiar with Christmas balls, so I would say to imagine a Christmas ball made of light and step inside of it. Even in the animal world, herds that are threatened will often place the babies in the center and form a circle about them facing outwards against the threat.

 

Thank you for that, it is very useful and easy to visualise! Also, fire has so much meaning in all religions and beliefsystems of the world. Fire is very powerful. Thank you!!!

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Are these things you have actually worked with, or just things you are aware exist? What does a djinn mean to you - not the definition, but why do you think this is comming looking for you? I know little of Muslin practices, and I am surprised they would include any evcation of spirits and/or djinn. Is this an emotional association and reaction, or does your ex practice magic?

M

 

I was unclear about this point in our previous discussions, regarding the djinn. Someone (sorry, I forget who) mentioned that the word 'djinn' can imply any type of spirit; however, the mythology surrounding the djinn seemed indicative of a separate entity of a higher stature than everyday house spirits.

 

Which begs the questions asked by Michele: Why would a djinn target a specific person? I do not want to be dismissive of Hek's concern; however, other than leaving Islam, what reason would the djinn have for seeking out a specific person? The answer on how to deal with djinn lies, in my opinion, in understanding why they would choose interaction. Any protections put in place would be strengthened, I believe, by answering the question of "Why?".

 

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Excellent thread and very much needed too.

 

Personally, I consider all spirit houses/dolls/or whatever one might call it, portal for just about anything along with their intended spirit. I also do not believe that the intended spirits are necessarily at a person's beckon call to come into the house whenever the person wants it, therefore the person has an open portal to an unoccupied spirit house thing at times. Almost like if you leave your doors unlocked. Maybe you tell your sister they are unlocked so she can get it (she doesn't have a key) but it leaves a risk for anyone just wandering on in. Even if some one takes great care in putting spells on the house to keep others out, I believe there is still always some loop hole or chance of one finding their way in anyways, and it wouldn't take much.

 

I choose not to use things like this, and instead, I like to meet up with the spirits more in the spiritual realm. I use some creative visionary as well, and create a place for us to meet and take myself there, calling to who I wish to see. So far this as been my favored method but even this isn't perfect and has it's risks too. Like one time, I was dumb enough to drift off to sleep in the middle of it, not ending the session. That surely made for quite a sucky night and I woke up sooo drained.

 

Regardless of which ways a person might choose to interact with spirits, discussions on the risks and how to minimize them are forever valuable to learn and this discussion could not have come at a better time for sure.

 

PS: Michele, that simple protection method is not at all laughable, I think it works pretty well. It mirrors what I do as well.

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I was unclear about this point in our previous discussions, regarding the djinn. Someone (sorry, I forget who) mentioned that the word 'djinn' can imply any type of spirit; however, the mythology surrounding the djinn seemed indicative of a separate entity of a higher stature than everyday house spirits.

 

Which begs the questions asked by Michele: Why would a djinn target a specific person? I do not want to be dismissive of Hek's concern; however, other than leaving Islam, what reason would the djinn have for seeking out a specific person? The answer on how to deal with djinn lies, in my opinion, in understanding why they would choose interaction. Any protections put in place would be strengthened, I believe, by answering the question of "Why?".

 

J

 

Dear Jevne,

 

 

That makes sense! I do feel I am all right now, at last, and have not felt anything at all since leaving Islam so I guess am just worried about something which lies in the past! I do feel quite strong now and I think that I should not worry about djinn any more, as I have left their world, so to speak!

 

But the question "why?" is one I cannot answer, at least not yet. Maybe I never will find the answer. I read somewhere in a post that djinn want to invade a human being so that that human being brings them back home, home being somewhere in the Middle East and that is something I cannot ignore; lots of converts to Islam do move to Muslim countries! But, thankfully, I am no longer in that situation and should just forget about it and move on with my explorations in the magical world which has opened up to me now and in which I am very very happy!

 

Kind regards,

 

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I don't have specific knowledge on djinn, and yet the fear of being targeted by an entity that might be angered that you left it's religion makes sense to me. And maybe its anger due to that situation might be the sole reason "why". Like I mentioned before, I've had some odd, and some bad, experiences in the past. When I was in my twenties, I did cast circles to work my magic, but one evening something happened that I couldn't explain and it scared terribly. I immediately closed the circle and put my stuff away with the intention of not going back to it. That's when the bad stuff started happening, and it got so bad that eventually my husband and I had to move. The move itself didn't completely stop whatever was going on, but things began to taper off soon after. So my only guess is that something was present when I cast my circles, even though I didn't know it, and was mighty pissed when I stopped. Interestingly enough, I started casting for the first time in 9 years a few months ago, and lo and behold, odd things have started happening again. Thus, I think you can see why I am so interesting in figuring this out, because my gut is telling me that if I can purposely make contact, or at least learn how to control myself, things might not go haywire again.

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I don't have specific knowledge on djinn, and yet the fear of being targeted by an entity that might be angered that you left it's religion makes sense to me. And maybe its anger due to that situation might be the sole reason "why". Like I mentioned before, I've had some odd, and some bad, experiences in the past. When I was in my twenties, I did cast circles to work my magic, but one evening something happened that I couldn't explain and it scared terribly. I immediately closed the circle and put my stuff away with the intention of not going back to it. That's when the bad stuff started happening, and it got so bad that eventually my husband and I had to move. The move itself didn't completely stop whatever was going on, but things began to taper off soon after. So my only guess is that something was present when I cast my circles, even though I didn't know it, and was mighty pissed when I stopped. Interestingly enough, I started casting for the first time in 9 years a few months ago, and lo and behold, odd things have started happening again. Thus, I think you can see why I am so interesting in figuring this out, because my gut is telling me that if I can purposely make contact, or at least learn how to control myself, things might not go haywire again.

 

Dear GardeningMommy,

 

 

Thank you for your thoughts and for sharing your experiences. thankx.gif I am sure that if you voice your worries on this forum, people will be interested and will try to help you forwards.

 

Kind regards,

 

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I almost forgot.... thank you, Michele,for the protection idea. It's not silly as all... quite clever, actually. I will definitely use this some time in the future. For now though,my youngest is still a babe.

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As I have two children in the house, I was wondering

 

I was also wondering about the following: my children go to their Muslim dad every week-end. When they enter my house, I feel as though djinn or any Muslim entities are at my door and I don't want them to enter my house.

 

but I just feel I need to be prepared.

 

The power of words, yes I understand that power. Maybe I need to say it out loud: namely that I do not want any djinn in my house.

 

I do not practice it any more, but I still have a connection with it, and with the spirits who believe in it. I want to sever that connection. I do not mind having the knowledge I gathered about Islam, as I have discovered that any knowledge is useful, but I want to be free. I would be interested in your honest thoughts regarding this issue,

 

Salt your entry way, when your children cross the threshold of your home, they and only they will enter. I have learned that many spirits hate salt, and avoid it at all costs. You could even sew a small pouch and have them carry it with them, if that doesn't suit you, then when you pick out their clothes to send with them when they visit their father, open the hem of their trousers, and pour a little salt in it, and stitch up your intent, within the garment. Words are powerful, murmer over the salt, state your intentions to the salt. Salt is a natural preservative, in that basic way it holds magical powers. Salt is used for protection.

 

You may never sever the connection, due to the family ties, but you will be more in control of unwanted spirits, attempting to fill your home with dread. Just my honest thoughts, on this matter.

 

Regards,

Gypsy

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When I was in my twenties, I did cast circles to work my magic, but one evening something happened that I couldn't explain and it scared terribly. I immediately closed the circle and put my stuff away with the intention of not going back to it. That's when the bad stuff started happening, and it got so bad that eventually my husband and I had to move. The move itself didn't completely stop whatever was going on, but things began to taper off soon after. So my only guess is that something was present when I cast my circles, even though I didn't know it, and was mighty pissed when I stopped.
WOW, that also makes me wonder if there was something with the house or property and some how you opened a portal for it. One thing, never ever let them know you are afraid. Some of the naughty ones may feed off of that.
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Dear Gypsy,

 

Thank you so much for such a practical and easy solution to my problem. In fact, my Flemish Mother told me several times that when she feels threatened by the Voodoo paintings in her house (my stepfather lives in Haiti at the moment) she feels like throwing salt around, but to my knowledge she never actually did so.

 

I have now thrown salt around my house whilst uttering my intention to chase out and keep out any spirits/djinn who are Muslim. I shall do exactly as you suggested, sewing salt inside their clothes! This is a wonderful idea! Thank you so much for your explanations as well, making me understand the power of salt!

 

 

Kind regards,

 

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Dear Gypsy,

 

Thank you so much for such a practical and easy solution to my problem. In fact, my Flemish Mother told me several times that when she feels threatened by the Voodoo paintings in her house (my stepfather lives in Haiti at the moment) she feels like throwing salt around, but to my knowledge she never actually did so.

 

I have now thrown salt around my house whilst uttering my intention to chase out and keep out any spirits/djinn who are Muslim. I shall do exactly as you suggested, sewing salt inside their clothes! This is a wonderful idea! Thank you so much for your explanations as well, making me understand the power of salt!

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Heks thankx.gif wickedwitch.gif

 

Heks - You are interested in craft/magic. And you used to be Muslim. Did you by any chance while you were Muslim try to work with the djinn or try to contact any or have any contact initiated by them?

 

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Heks - You are interested in craft/magic. And you used to be Muslim. Did you by any chance while you were Muslim try to work with the djinn or try to contact any or have any contact initiated by them?

 

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Dear Michele,

 

That is a good question. I often felt the presence of a 3rd person in the room when I was with my husband, years ago, and I think that is because my ex-husband neglected this aspect of the religion, did not believe in it, but I did. I often felt "naked" in my own house, both when I was living with my ex-husband and in my current house, in which he never lived, as though I was being observed. But mostly, the djinn would tell me to pray, and paradoxically, to stay away from "shirk", which is disbelief in Allah, which manifests itself by trying to contact djinn!

 

so, although I felt their presence, mainly in the bathroom and the bedroom, where they live, I never tried to establish any type of contact with them until the day, quite recently, when I held my Witch figurine and left Islam. I then felt like I was being suffocated and I became aware of them. I then cleansed my house and mentally visualised djinn leaving my house. After that, I felt free in my house. By the way, there are supposed to be lots of djinn in shopping malls.

 

I was interested in magic whilst Muslim but this was linked to my ancestors and I developed a sudden interest in Witches' stories from Flanders. I knew djinn were dangerous though and I was afraid of them. It is only now that I see things more clearly. I think the djinn moved with me when I left my ex-husband.

 

Kind regards and many thanks for your insights and questions which force me to think deeply about this issue, which I do keep bringing up, sorry! But now that I have the salt and the ball of light techniques, I should feel more comfortable.

 

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