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I'm giving this bump, because of what I've been seeing in the ShoutBox from Peers regarding the smoking of this and or tea drinking.

 

The Original Post and all the Threads to it are very informative, including our Peer who is an Registered Herbalist.

 

I pose this to our Peers, since this is a herb that has properties of a toxic basis, and one has to be careful with it's uses to internalize by mouth, and or lungs, I would be more inclined, as I'm saving my lungs for another herb experiance ( I don't smoke, but this herb requires injestation this way for maximum benefits ) could not Mugwort be boiled in a large pot of collected water, and the vapors be injested through the nose or mouth for it's purpose ? When I think of this procedure done this way, one would have all the Elements working for a common cause for the Witch. Fire, Water, Earth, Air, Metal ( the Pot ). Just my thoughts, for those who may not smoke, or have a negative reaction to the drinking of Mugwort in a tea. I utilize this method quite a bit in my workings, the boiling of the essense of herbs. You all have any thoughts ?

 

Regards,

Gypsy

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could not Mugwort be boiled in a large pot of collected water, and the vapors be injested through the nose or mouth for it's purpose ?

 

Brilliant idea! During the winter months you'll often see me doing this with eucalyptus or peppermint to clear my nose. Might even make the smoke not taste so god-awful.

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Is mugwort actually toxic? And at what dosages? It is a common additive to beer and other brews, as well as incense and smoking blends, I have never had ill effect from it, but I only have it occassionally.

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"Is Mugwort actually toxic?"

 

In a word, yes - mildly but that depends on the individual. It is the 'lesser' cousin of Wormwood (same genus), both of which are used in tradiional flying ointments. Where Wormwood contains the active ingredient used in Absythe (drink named after the plant ... and will blow your little green socks off), Mugwort contains thujone - a neuro toxic which can also affect the liver but this is when taken in excessive or prolonged doses - when smoked (apparently) it has a mild narcotic affect.

 

As with most of the more active herbs, it's a case of starting slowing but PLEASE, when taking for the first few times, make sure someone else is around just in case you have a reaction. However, as this herb has been used for hundreds of years in all manner of ways, sensible consumption and/or use should be ... I'm not going to say it incase I get into trouble! :grin_witch:

 

PS; it also makes a very good insecticide and is used as a general wormer (not that I think any of you would need worming!).

 

xx

 

 

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Okay, but I am pretty sick of all the witch herbs getting worse reputations than they deserve. Be smart about all new herbs you try, some people are allergic to chamomile for goodness sakes, if its your first time having chamomile make sure someone is around, but the attitude about plant use is over the top and I think dictated by the big pharma industry.

 

It gets to the point that even a plant with a the very mildest pyschic effect is being referred to as narcotic. By the way I entirely disagree with that characterization. It may be correct by an old fashioned usage of the word, but by the USLegal definition and by its common usage to mean an addictive opiate, it is not. The old fashioned meaning of narcotic meant anything with a psychoactive effect that made you sleepy. However that is not common usage and unfairly places this non addictive mild plant alongside herion. Its like comparing sugar to speed and calling it an aphetimine because they both give you an energetic high.

 

Also, you are calling it toxic--why because it isn't that great for your liver. Well let me tell you what else isn't good for your liver: alcohol. Is alcohol toxic? I think its an exaggeration! If used to frequently, in too high of doses, and if you are intolerant to it, well yeah, I guess it can be "toxic". But again the word here toxic, it commonly means poisonous. For example, you don't give kids paints with toxic pigments, why because lead, mercury and cadmium can kill you if you eat them and they are paint pigments. But mugwort doesn't just outright kill you. You would have to way way over do it. I can only find people saying mugwort can be overdosed on and can cause death as comments in forums, not in any authoritative places. That makes the claim highly suspect to me. I'd like to see it on an official website that is a current and up to date study. The only information I am seeing of any repute says that its bad to drink it three times a day for ten days in a row. They are talking large quanities, not the small amounts being discussed here.

 

I am going off on a rant, but until yesterday, Mugwort was the only plant of this kind I could talk about openingly without getting thrown a huge danger drugs line and I am very disappointed to see this one join the ranks. Please don't take it personally, I just needed to stand up for a plant ally that I work with and love. Its a friendship thing, you understand.

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Guest Rev. Gregori

well said.

 

 

btw maybe mixing it with skullcap and local honey.

 

 

Okay, but I am pretty sick of all the witch herbs getting worse reputations than they deserve. Be smart about all new herbs you try, some people are allergic to chamomile for goodness sakes, if its your first time having chamomile make sure someone is around, but the attitude about plant use is over the top and I think dictated by the big pharma industry.

 

It gets to the point that even a plant with a the very mildest pyschic effect is being referred to as narcotic. By the way I entirely disagree with that characterization. It may be correct by an old fashioned usage of the word, but by the USLegal definition and by its common usage to mean an addictive opiate, it is not. The old fashioned meaning of narcotic meant anything with a psychoactive effect that made you sleepy. However that is not common usage and unfairly places this non addictive mild plant alongside herion. Its like comparing sugar to speed and calling it an aphetimine because they both give you an energetic high.

 

Also, you are calling it toxic--why because it isn't that great for your liver. Well let me tell you what else isn't good for your liver: alcohol. Is alcohol toxic? I think its an exaggeration! If used to frequently, in too high of doses, and if you are intolerant to it, well yeah, I guess it can be "toxic". But again the word here toxic, it commonly means poisonous. For example, you don't give kids paints with toxic pigments, why because lead, mercury and cadmium can kill you if you eat them and they are paint pigments. But mugwort doesn't just outright kill you. You would have to way way over do it. I can only find people saying mugwort can be overdosed on and can cause death as comments in forums, not in any authoritative places. That makes the claim highly suspect to me. I'd like to see it on an official website that is a current and up to date study. The only information I am seeing of any repute says that its bad to drink it three times a day for ten days in a row. They are talking large quanities, not the small amounts being discussed here.

 

I am going off on a rant, but until yesterday, Mugwort was the only plant of this kind I could talk about openingly without getting thrown a huge danger drugs line and I am very disappointed to see this one join the ranks. Please don't take it personally, I just needed to stand up for a plant ally that I work with and love. Its a friendship thing, you understand.

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Okay, but I am pretty sick of all the witch herbs getting worse reputations than they deserve. Be smart about all new herbs you try, some people are allergic to chamomile for goodness sakes, if its your first time having chamomile make sure someone is around, but the attitude about plant use is over the top and I think dictated by the big pharma industry.

 

It gets to the point that even a plant with a the very mildest pyschic effect is being referred to as narcotic. By the way I entirely disagree with that characterization. It may be correct by an old fashioned usage of the word, but by the USLegal definition and by its common usage to mean an addictive opiate, it is not. The old fashioned meaning of narcotic meant anything with a psychoactive effect that made you sleepy. However that is not common usage and unfairly places this non addictive mild plant alongside herion. Its like comparing sugar to speed and calling it an aphetimine because they both give you an energetic high.

 

Also, you are calling it toxic--why because it isn't that great for your liver. Well let me tell you what else isn't good for your liver: alcohol. Is alcohol toxic? I think its an exaggeration! If used to frequently, in too high of doses, and if you are intolerant to it, well yeah, I guess it can be "toxic". But again the word here toxic, it commonly means poisonous. For example, you don't give kids paints with toxic pigments, why because lead, mercury and cadmium can kill you if you eat them and they are paint pigments. But mugwort doesn't just outright kill you. You would have to way way over do it. I can only find people saying mugwort can be overdosed on and can cause death as comments in forums, not in any authoritative places. That makes the claim highly suspect to me. I'd like to see it on an official website that is a current and up to date study. The only information I am seeing of any repute says that its bad to drink it three times a day for ten days in a row. They are talking large quanities, not the small amounts being discussed here.

 

I am going off on a rant, but until yesterday, Mugwort was the only plant of this kind I could talk about openingly without getting thrown a huge danger drugs line and I am very disappointed to see this one join the ranks. Please don't take it personally, I just needed to stand up for a plant ally that I work with and love. Its a friendship thing, you understand.

 

I personally love Mugwort, and use it frequently in a working, it is an ally of mine. Yet, stupid people do stupid things. It's their lack of knowledge in forming any relationship with a plant property.

 

I don't have to tell you this Sara, how important it is for the Witch to create and revisit relationships with plants. What I've found in having an alliance with the plant world, is that many of them have dualistic natures. It is up to the Witch to ferret out those natures that is inclusive to the plant. I learned that, from researching a plant that alot of people enjoy in baking and sauses and jams. I don't share that level of intimacy with this plant.

 

This plant and I, communicate on another level, as I enjoy the plant, for it's canopy of darkness. The relationship with this plant is based on what I've learned, and then discovered the proper way of introducing it to my level of understanding with a respectful approach to the plant, it opened up an experiance for me, based on a trial and error, but once I mastered it, the outcome was more than I expected.

 

I stick up for "my friends" too ! I've got "friends" in low and dark shadowed places................ Who just adore Miracle Grow plant food, and a little bit of blood from time to time.

 

Regards,

Gypsy

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Anything is toxic in large doses, and anything can be toxic to an individual with a sensitivity to a substance.

 

In moderation, Mugwort is no more toxic than Marijuana. Period.

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Okay, but I am pretty sick of all the witch herbs getting worse reputations than they deserve. Be smart about all new herbs you try, some people are allergic to chamomile for goodness sakes, if its your first time having chamomile make sure someone is around, but the attitude about plant use is over the top and I think dictated by the big pharma industry.

 

It gets to the point that even a plant with a the very mildest pyschic effect is being referred to as narcotic. By the way I entirely disagree with that characterization. It may be correct by an old fashioned usage of the word, but by the USLegal definition and by its common usage to mean an addictive opiate, it is not. The old fashioned meaning of narcotic meant anything with a psychoactive effect that made you sleepy. However that is not common usage and unfairly places this non addictive mild plant alongside herion. Its like comparing sugar to speed and calling it an aphetimine because they both give you an energetic high.

 

Also, you are calling it toxic--why because it isn't that great for your liver. Well let me tell you what else isn't good for your liver: alcohol. Is alcohol toxic? I think its an exaggeration! If used to frequently, in too high of doses, and if you are intolerant to it, well yeah, I guess it can be "toxic". But again the word here toxic, it commonly means poisonous. For example, you don't give kids paints with toxic pigments, why because lead, mercury and cadmium can kill you if you eat them and they are paint pigments. But mugwort doesn't just outright kill you. You would have to way way over do it. I can only find people saying mugwort can be overdosed on and can cause death as comments in forums, not in any authoritative places. That makes the claim highly suspect to me. I'd like to see it on an official website that is a current and up to date study. The only information I am seeing of any repute says that its bad to drink it three times a day for ten days in a row. They are talking large quanities, not the small amounts being discussed here.

 

I am going off on a rant, but until yesterday, Mugwort was the only plant of this kind I could talk about openingly without getting thrown a huge danger drugs line and I am very disappointed to see this one join the ranks. Please don't take it personally, I just needed to stand up for a plant ally that I work with and love. Its a friendship thing, you understand.

 

 

 

I think it's apparent that the definition of 'toxic' is different here ... doesn't mean lethal, hence the word 'mildly' being used. However, as there are many guests to the site a word of caution for those not familiar with any substance can't be seen as a bad thing (I personally wouldn't wish anyone 'visiting' to go throwing a fistful into a cup and using it like a Tetley's no matter how stupid this behaviour may seem!).

 

 

I am surprised if the US legal definition of narcotic is 'an addictive opiate' as opiates are a particular branch of drug originally derived from poppys until the pharmceutical industry managed to sythesize it ... but that is going off on a tangent. The Oxford English definition of narcotic is 'substance inducing drowsiness, sleep, stupor or insensibility', this is my understanding of the word, it may seem old-fashioned to you but this seems like a damn fine night out to me but please bear in mind, we don't all live in the US and therefore do not subscribe to the same definitions.

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I think it's apparent that the definition of 'toxic' is different here ... doesn't mean lethal, hence the word 'mildly' being used. However, as there are many guests to the site a word of caution for those not familiar with any substance can't be seen as a bad thing (I personally wouldn't wish anyone 'visiting' to go throwing a fistful into a cup and using it like a Tetley's no matter how stupid this behaviour may seem!).

 

 

I am surprised if the US legal definition of narcotic is 'an addictive opiate' as opiates are a particular branch of drug originally derived from poppys until the pharmceutical industry managed to sythesize it ... but that is going off on a tangent. The Oxford English definition of narcotic is 'substance inducing drowsiness, sleep, stupor or insensibility', this is my understanding of the word, it may seem old-fashioned to you but this seems like a damn fine night out to me but please bear in mind, we don't all live in the US and therefore do not subscribe to the same definitions.

 

I am not sure who it was in chat that was telling people it was toxic. But it seemed to inspire my esteemed peers to think it was dangerous to ingest at all. I am against that kind of alarmism and the obvious effect it has on my peers when they are told exaggerated information.

 

As Mountain Witch said above anything is toxic in large doses.

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Great thread about one of my favorite herbs.

 

I wrote an article about it years ago that if your interested you can read here: http://www.altnature...en/Mugwort.html

 

As well as an article on Toxicity and Herbs: http://www.altnature...ry/toxicity.htm

 

:)

 

 

Thank you Tephyr for this, we here on the Forum, can not stress enough about the common sense factor for safety reasons, when using herbs in anything. I know I've missed the mark in some of my Posts or Threads regarding certain herbs. Yet one of my Peers here will gladly come behind me and refer to the safety issue and common sense factor. I guess I give too much of a benefit of the doubt, when I believe folks will use their common sense. But there are "those" who unfortuneately......... don't.:rolleyes_witch: Researching is not all that time consuming, imho.

 

 

Regards,

Gypsy

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Another fascinating thread. Thanks to all for sharing here.

Seems like an old dog like me can always learn a few things ;)

 

All these years and I had never approached Mugwort as a plant helper.

I have studied and tried numerous sacred plant allies over the years but never that.

Many witches recommend it though, as I can see.

 

Worth some investigation.

 

 

C

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I just wanted to add a thought on 'food grade' herbs.

 

In my little corner of the American South 'food grade' requires the seller to prepare the herb/food/whatever in a commercial kitchen.  Most people don't have this in their homes.  The only way to get around the 'legal hoops' is to claim it 'Not for human consumption.'  There's a woman down the road from me who sells fresh cow milk labeled 'Not for human consumption' simply because she refuses to bottle it in a rented commercial kitchen to have it certified 'Food Grade' BUT jam, jelly and salsa can be made in your backyard and sold as food grade. 

 

It's the same thing at my local herb shop.  All of her herbs are labeled 'Not for human consumption' simply because of the liscensing laws in the state.  I think the whole thing is ridiculous and can turn a lot of people 'off' because they just don't understand why things are labeled the way they are.

 

There's a local herbalist that does herb walks and when she picks the wild plants she makes sure to tell the people that 'this isn't for human consumption' just because I refuse to rent a commercial kitchen to dry it and bottle it in.

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Okay, but I am pretty sick of all the witch herbs getting worse reputations than they deserve. Be smart about all new herbs you try, some people are allergic to chamomile for goodness sakes, if its your first time having chamomile make sure someone is around, but the attitude about plant use is over the top and I think dictated by the big pharma industry.

 

It gets to the point that even a plant with a the very mildest pyschic effect is being referred to as narcotic. By the way I entirely disagree with that characterization. It may be correct by an old fashioned usage of the word, but by the USLegal definition and by its common usage to mean an addictive opiate, it is not. The old fashioned meaning of narcotic meant anything with a psychoactive effect that made you sleepy. However that is not common usage and unfairly places this non addictive mild plant alongside herion. Its like comparing sugar to speed and calling it an aphetimine because they both give you an energetic high.

 

Also, you are calling it toxic--why because it isn't that great for your liver. Well let me tell you what else isn't good for your liver: alcohol. Is alcohol toxic? I think its an exaggeration! If used to frequently, in too high of doses, and if you are intolerant to it, well yeah, I guess it can be "toxic". But again the word here toxic, it commonly means poisonous. For example, you don't give kids paints with toxic pigments, why because lead, mercury and cadmium can kill you if you eat them and they are paint pigments. But mugwort doesn't just outright kill you. You would have to way way over do it. I can only find people saying mugwort can be overdosed on and can cause death as comments in forums, not in any authoritative places. That makes the claim highly suspect to me. I'd like to see it on an official website that is a current and up to date study. The only information I am seeing of any repute says that its bad to drink it three times a day for ten days in a row. They are talking large quanities, not the small amounts being discussed here.

 

I am going off on a rant, but until yesterday, Mugwort was the only plant of this kind I could talk about openingly without getting thrown a huge danger drugs line and I am very disappointed to see this one join the ranks. Please don't take it personally, I just needed to stand up for a plant ally that I work with and love. Its a friendship thing, you understand.

 

 

 

I want to touch on this and some of what others said a little as I fully agree with some of the posts.  There seems to be a lot of copy and paste information on the web and not a lot of common sense.  It seems that one person's makes a claim and the rest jump on the bandwagon.  Also, Aloe made a really good point about the berries she eats (I assume she is referring to the poke berries she has mentioned before?) that even though the masses were screaming poison she was taught opposite by people that have experience with that herb and has not suffered for it. 

 

 So here are the questions.  Do any of you intuit your herb information and uses from the spirits or "other", or trusted people? If so, do they contradict what the lemmings are saying online?  If yes, do you trust in your own allies, abilities and knowledge or do you follow the "accepted" uses and knowledge?  If you trust them, do you have the will to use the herb in that way? How did it work out?  I think there is a massive difference between the traditional witch and the modern witch and I think this is one area where it is apparent. 

 

Just to be clear for those guests that can see what I write, I am not saying to blatantly ignore warnings because you heard a voice or want to be more traditional or whatever.  I am talking about using common sense along with the messages received by those who have a real connection with the spirits and use herbs in accordance with their wisdom, the way our ancestors did before there was the internet or even books and education. If you're stupid enough to overdose on poison, that's on you. 

 

Back to Mugwort, I use it frequently.  It is also the largest jar in my cupboard.  I normally use it to smudge, but not often as it has a slight cannabis smell.  It smolders very well and is great for clearing out unwanted visitors. For tea I have used the dose Sara mentioned, though only drank half the cup.  For me that was plenty.  It didn't taste bitter to me, it had a nice flavor that reminded me of something I had had before, but I could not place it. Everyone is different, listen to your guides and to your body. 

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 So here are the questions.  Do any of you intuit your herb information and uses from the spirits or "other", or trusted people? If so, do they contradict what the lemmings are saying online?  If yes, do you trust in your own allies, abilities and knowledge or do you follow the "accepted" uses and knowledge?  If you trust them, do you have the will to use the herb in that way? How did it work out?  I think there is a massive difference between the traditional witch and the modern witch and I think this is one area where it is apparent. . . .

 

Just to be clear for those guests that can see what I write, I am not saying to blatantly ignore warnings because you heard a voice or want to be more traditional or whatever. ...

 

I am a trust in your ancestors and elders type of person.  I was exposed to many different types of herbs and other plants at a young age and have a pretty good sense of what I cannot tolerate.  Like was said, just about anything can be dangerous in large quantities or when inappropriately administered.  I am very intuitive with herbs, magically, as I am not inclined toward all the "accepted" correspondences.  So, if I encounter something I had not before, I would use a combination of people and spirits I trust, including real experts in the field, and my intuition.

 

To be honest, I really have never given two flying hoots what other people thought about my personal "usage", but I can understand someone who is new and/or learning wanting to gather knowledge before using something.  I think the difference is in critical thinking skills.  Nothing wrong with having a discerning mind, but not all sources of information are valid.  I mean just because someone has a pretty website and is super-duper nice and sounds all "authoritative" on their personal blog does not mean that they know what the fuck they are talking about. 

 

I left that last part in the quote cause it made me giggle . . .

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Eeeheehee, my mugwort seeds sprouted this week and I am stoked. So many complicated posts which I will assiduously read... while drinking mugwort beer, buwahayeah.

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Yep, Mountain Rose Herbs is where I get almost all of my herbs that I need in larger amounts (my local occult shop has a rather awesome selection, but sometimes they're out of things and it's not always cheaper in bulk). 

 

As far as making the mugwort taste a bit better, I use honey (local is awesome if you can get it) and combine it with other herbs to help w/the flavor. Chamomile always adds a nicer flavor, as does lavender and pretty much any of the mints (peppermint, spearmint, lemon verbena, etc.). I drink a lot of herbal tea w/different mixes bc I've always been a terrible insomniac and am more awake at night than any other time and it helps me relax/get drowsy enough to sleep, after which I rely on music designed to get me into delta sleep. 

 

Anyway, what are you using the mugwort for? Divination purposes?

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I like the taste of mugwort. I'm going to have a hard time convincing myself not to put this in pretty much everything.

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