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Replenishment of energy from food is surely a short sighted view of the energy possessed within?
Whilst physical states are inexorably linked with other aspects of life they are not the sole role of cause and effect.
Emotional energy for example. What fuels that? Unless I felt unquestionable rage whenever I ate a parsnip I couldn't really link my physical means of garnering energy with the energy formulated in my own mind.
Energy cannot be destroyed.
It's a basic law in the sciences. It can be changed but never destroyed (by extension never created either). Which implies that the power within is an energy that we are born with but may be in an unusable state or a state we cannot recognise until trials or enlightenment show us the nature of it or the implication is we steal it away from elsewhere. I personally believe in the former rather than the latter.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:47 PM
8people, on 07 February 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:
Replenishment of energy from food is surely a short sighted view of the energy possessed within?
Whilst physical states are inexorably linked with other aspects of life they are not the sole role of cause and effect.
Emotional energy for example. What fuels that? Unless I felt unquestionable rage whenever I ate a parsnip I couldn't really link my physical means of garnering energy with the energy formulated in my own mind.
Energy cannot be destroyed.
It's a basic law in the sciences. It can be changed but never destroyed (by extension never created either). Which implies that the power within is an energy that we are born with but may be in an unusable state or a state we cannot recognise until trials or enlightenment show us the nature of it or the implication is we steal it away from elsewhere. I personally believe in the former rather than the latter.
Whilst physical states are inexorably linked with other aspects of life they are not the sole role of cause and effect.
Emotional energy for example. What fuels that? Unless I felt unquestionable rage whenever I ate a parsnip I couldn't really link my physical means of garnering energy with the energy formulated in my own mind.
Energy cannot be destroyed.
It's a basic law in the sciences. It can be changed but never destroyed (by extension never created either). Which implies that the power within is an energy that we are born with but may be in an unusable state or a state we cannot recognise until trials or enlightenment show us the nature of it or the implication is we steal it away from elsewhere. I personally believe in the former rather than the latter.
The principle you speak of assumes the energy is a true vacuum. Friction changes the effect of the law--friction from atomosphere, air, ground, etc. I think that it is rather difficult to use scientific metaphors out of context. In a human body, we do lose energy all the time, that is why we have to eat. In a vacuum a car would never stop, ever it wouldn't need gas. The earth and our bodies etc are not in a vacuum. But anyways, I don't see how scientific principles have anything to do with this, if the witch does not want to replenish their energy from a particular source they don't have to, but most witches do replenish their energy from somewhere--and it isn't stolen per say, but of course it could be.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 10:22 PM
I view 'power' kind of like blood. I can donate blood, and my body will make more. I can get a blood transfusion in the instance where I didn't make enough, or something's not right with mine, so it can be externally replenished too. Sure you can say that the body doesn't make blood unless you breathe, eat, etc. and this means that it's from an outside source.. whatev. The blood my body creates is mine, created by my internal physical processes, and I give thanks for it to no outside source and it belongs to no one else unless I choose to give it to them.
Obviously though, that's just my way of viewing it and not everyone will feel the same. I think analogies are helpful to get across thoughts that are hard to explain, but at the same time, they're never perfect and to me no explanation is ever the be all end all of magic. IMO sometimes the only answer is "It's magic. I do magic. That's all."
Obviously though, that's just my way of viewing it and not everyone will feel the same. I think analogies are helpful to get across thoughts that are hard to explain, but at the same time, they're never perfect and to me no explanation is ever the be all end all of magic. IMO sometimes the only answer is "It's magic. I do magic. That's all."
"The people who live in the Ozark country of Missouri and Arkansas were, until very recently, the most deliberately unprogressive people in the United States. Descended from pioneers who came West from the Southern Appalachians at the beginning of the nineteenth century, they made little contact with the outer world for more than a hundred years. They seem like foreigners to the average urban American, but nearly all of them come of British stock, and many families have lived in America since colonial days. Their material heirlooms are few, but like all isolated illiterates they have clung to the old songs and obsolete sayings and outworn customs of their ancestors." Ozark Magic and Folklore
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 10:55 PM
Aloe, on 07 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:
I view 'power' kind of like blood. I can donate blood, and my body will make more. I can get a blood transfusion in the instance where I didn't make enough, or something's not right with mine, so it can be externally replenished too. Sure you can say that the body doesn't make blood unless you breathe, eat, etc. and this means that it's from an outside source.. whatev. The blood my body creates is mine, created by my internal physical processes, and I give thanks for it to no outside source and it belongs to no one else unless I choose to give it to them.
Obviously though, that's just my way of viewing it and not everyone will feel the same. I think analogies are helpful to get across thoughts that are hard to explain, but at the same time, they're never perfect and to me no explanation is ever the be all end all of magic. IMO sometimes the only answer is "It's magic. I do magic. That's all."
Obviously though, that's just my way of viewing it and not everyone will feel the same. I think analogies are helpful to get across thoughts that are hard to explain, but at the same time, they're never perfect and to me no explanation is ever the be all end all of magic. IMO sometimes the only answer is "It's magic. I do magic. That's all."
I think I agree with you, no matter where the witch gets the raw materials, she gets them and she transforms them into her own power through complex processes inside. So even if I go get some source energy from the moutains, what comes out of me later is not mountain energy, but SaraSuperId energy.
"A Craft, a calling, a set of Keys to unlock a particular cosmology that is borne, and born, in the blood of the practitioner, and sets the Work to be done with which one may commune with those who hold the patterns and keys of the life of the practitioner and hir stream. The Work is to be done, and we are to do it." --Aiseling the Bard
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 10:57 PM
sarasuperid, on 07 February 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:
I think I agree with you, no matter where the witch gets the raw materials, she gets them and she transforms them into her own power through complex processes inside. So even if I go get some source energy from the moutains, what comes out of me later is not mountain energy, but SaraSuperId energy.
"The people who live in the Ozark country of Missouri and Arkansas were, until very recently, the most deliberately unprogressive people in the United States. Descended from pioneers who came West from the Southern Appalachians at the beginning of the nineteenth century, they made little contact with the outer world for more than a hundred years. They seem like foreigners to the average urban American, but nearly all of them come of British stock, and many families have lived in America since colonial days. Their material heirlooms are few, but like all isolated illiterates they have clung to the old songs and obsolete sayings and outworn customs of their ancestors." Ozark Magic and Folklore
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:44 AM
Grymdycche, on 07 February 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:
I would have to agree with this, and the idea can be expressed in a number of ways: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; or Conservation of energy (energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted, in an isolated system); Nature abhors a vacuum, Balance, etc..
The idea of "interest" is interesting (hah.. no pun intended)... though it has just a shadow of the threefold law.
OTOH, that doesn't mean one can't get creative as to how that price is paid, when it is paid, what it's paid with, or even exactly whom is paying it.
The idea of "interest" is interesting (hah.. no pun intended)... though it has just a shadow of the threefold law.
OTOH, that doesn't mean one can't get creative as to how that price is paid, when it is paid, what it's paid with, or even exactly whom is paying it.
I agree with the vacuum concept and vacuums by there very nature tend to be filled one way or another (why are there two u's in vacuum...oh, I know, the it must have been a freaking spelling teacher who came up with it just to make it difficult ).
Really - 3FL?! Not on my part, believe me. I really don't view it like that at all. It's simply a matter of debt and payment, I take, therefore I owe. Nothing to do with new age Karmic Law that the 3FL seems to draw from.
I do like the last part about paying - my line of thinking exactly.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:52 AM
sarasuperid, on 07 February 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:
I think I agree with you, no matter where the witch gets the raw materials, she gets them and she transforms them into her own power through complex processes inside. So even if I go get some source energy from the moutains, what comes out of me later is not mountain energy, but SaraSuperId energy.
I think the witch would also use his own energy to 'transform' that raw energy from an outside source into a usable energy...just like when we convert that hamburger into energy, which could be turned into muscular work or fat, lol.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:54 AM
Aloe, on 07 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:
I view 'power' kind of like blood. I can donate blood, and my body will make more. I can get a blood transfusion in the instance where I didn't make enough, or something's not right with mine, so it can be externally replenished too. Sure you can say that the body doesn't make blood unless you breathe, eat, etc. and this means that it's from an outside source.. whatev. The blood my body creates is mine, created by my internal physical processes, and I give thanks for it to no outside source and it belongs to no one else unless I choose to give it to them.
Obviously though, that's just my way of viewing it and not everyone will feel the same. I think analogies are helpful to get across thoughts that are hard to explain, but at the same time, they're never perfect and to me no explanation is ever the be all end all of magic. IMO sometimes the only answer is "It's magic. I do magic. That's all."
Obviously though, that's just my way of viewing it and not everyone will feel the same. I think analogies are helpful to get across thoughts that are hard to explain, but at the same time, they're never perfect and to me no explanation is ever the be all end all of magic. IMO sometimes the only answer is "It's magic. I do magic. That's all."
I agree, and that is why I think blood is a true form of payment because it comes from you, something your body manufactured, something you need to continue living, etc.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:10 AM
Do any of you all channel or direct outside energy without transforming it first? I charge some objects with moonlight, certain potions in the sun, etc.
"A Craft, a calling, a set of Keys to unlock a particular cosmology that is borne, and born, in the blood of the practitioner, and sets the Work to be done with which one may commune with those who hold the patterns and keys of the life of the practitioner and hir stream. The Work is to be done, and we are to do it." --Aiseling the Bard
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:44 AM
If I channel, meaning I take it into myself, then it would naturally be combined with my energy, and therefore be transformed. If I direct it, that is, from source to target, then it is not taken into me and thus not transformed (at least not by my energy).
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:02 AM
sarasuperid, on 08 February 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:
Do any of you all channel or direct outside energy without transforming it first? I charge some objects with moonlight, certain potions in the sun, etc.
I certainly do
"The people who live in the Ozark country of Missouri and Arkansas were, until very recently, the most deliberately unprogressive people in the United States. Descended from pioneers who came West from the Southern Appalachians at the beginning of the nineteenth century, they made little contact with the outer world for more than a hundred years. They seem like foreigners to the average urban American, but nearly all of them come of British stock, and many families have lived in America since colonial days. Their material heirlooms are few, but like all isolated illiterates they have clung to the old songs and obsolete sayings and outworn customs of their ancestors." Ozark Magic and Folklore
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:54 AM
sarasuperid, on 08 February 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:
Do any of you all channel or direct outside energy without transforming it first? I charge some objects with moonlight, certain potions in the sun, etc.
Absolutely..
In order to understand the living.. you have to commune with the dead..
You are a tiny little soul carrying around a corpse.-- Epictetus
All experience is an arch wherethrough gleams that untravelled world whose margin fades for ever and for ever when I move.
You are a tiny little soul carrying around a corpse.-- Epictetus
All experience is an arch wherethrough gleams that untravelled world whose margin fades for ever and for ever when I move.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:54 AM
sarasuperid, on 08 February 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:
Do any of you all channel or direct outside energy without transforming it first? I charge some objects with moonlight, certain potions in the sun, etc.
Yes mam.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 10:40 AM
Jevne, on 07 February 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:
Does this imply or identify a sole source? Or is the system itself inherently powerful, or self sustaining?
No, I don't think it automatically implies a single source (not at face value) since everything is a source, including our emotions (but where do they come from?), that was what I was trying to say but I must have expressed it badly. However, if you wanted to take it back to a single point, since everything in the Universe/multiverse is interconnected then all must be of or from the same source, the Universe being an entity itself if you consider it that way.
Transmuting it, flowing it, being the consciousness that directs it, that seems to be our greatest ability on this material plane.
Emotions don't exist in a vacuum either because we don't/can't. Everything that impacts on us and causes an emotion is a direct or indirect flow of that kind of energy which often we transmute into that emotion within us. We make a mistake, the energy of that mistake flows towards us and we can transmute it into wallowing, self pity then followed by defiant anger or we can 'choose' to turn it into positive action, decide to learn from it and not make that mistake again, put the mistake right if we can etc. We are the transformers but, to my mind and experience, not the sole source of power.
The food was just a single example but the theory seems to work on whatever kind of energy/power we consider.
It's all a great big circle.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 10:47 AM
sarasuperid, on 08 February 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:
Do any of you all channel or direct outside energy without transforming it first? I charge some objects with moonlight, certain potions in the sun, etc.
Honestly? I don't know! When I put certain things on the Altar, under the full Moon, am I directing that? Is my intention changing that? Perhaps yes, perhaps no? I honestly can't say. All I do know is that it is my choice to put those things there. A crystal which lived in Mother Earth for millenia now works with me and somehow a series of events combines to make this little bit of Mother Earth 'tell me' that it is time for her to be on my Altar under the full and beautiful Moon last night. Something is going on there, have I changed it? Am I part of it or is this happening, completely unaltered by my involvement? Is the power of Grandmother Moon enhanced by this interaction, by my intention or is it unchanged?
I don't know, all I know is that I am part of it.
This post has been edited by Forest Child: 08 February 2012 - 10:48 AM
It's all a great big circle.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:40 PM
sarasuperid, on 08 February 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:
Do any of you all channel or direct outside energy without transforming it first? I charge some objects with moonlight, certain potions in the sun, etc.
Yes I do, even objects that acquire " tape "...
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:39 PM
CelticGypsy, on 08 February 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:
Yes I do, even objects that acquire " tape "...
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Tape?
