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#21 Jevne

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:33 PM

I could also start going on about how powerful and intense my eyes can be lol but surely that would getting everyone chucking up their dinner no? and tbh I dont think it would have much relevance, Mentally ill people have intense eyes too...

I do however have a mark on my body that would have been enough to get me fucked over by Mr cunt for brains Hopkins....

I dont think though that the visible mark means shit though in some ways.. it just means I have a distinguishing mark on my skin like many other people...It just so happens that I practice witchcraft as well.. So in that case Mr Hopkins would have been correct and would have earned his coppers that day...

But.... To give that too much relevance just adds fuel to the insanity of those times and in a way further validates Hopkins methods and proves them right...

Sure he would have been right with me... but I'm just the one in a thousand who never did anything resembling witchcraft, and yet had their lives ripped so violently from them in the name of Jesus the fucking Christ..

So now when I think of people calling themselves Christian witches (other than a transition) I wanna rip their stupid fucking heads off... The two labels are not compatible... EVER!

Feel my blood stating to boil so I gonna stop.


I was trying to make a similar point. Why feed into the hype and hysteria of yester-year. In doing so, we are indirectly validating horrible acts committed against other human beings (innocent human beings) in the name of christianity.

And you are right . . . The two labels are NOT compatible . . . EVER!!!!!

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#22 Whiterose

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:44 PM

I could also start going on about how powerful and intense my eyes can be lol but surely that would getting everyone chucking up their dinner no? and tbh I dont think it would have much relevance, Mentally ill people have intense eyes too...


So now when I think of people calling themselves Christian witches (other than a transition) I wanna rip their stupid fucking heads off... The two labels are not compatible... EVER!



Eyes may not have much relevance to you, but I put a great deal of stock in the look from someones eyes. Mentally ill people have a different type of intensity to their eyes, a wild intensity, not a controlled one.

Also, if one can not be a christian and a witch, what about Hoodoo? Surely christian spirituality would count as christian.

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#23 Oakbuchanan

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:20 PM

Eyes may not have much relevance to you, but I put a great deal of stock in the look from someones eyes. Mentally ill people have a different type of intensity to their eyes, a wild intensity, not a controlled one.

Also, if one can not be a christian and a witch, what about Hoodoo? Surely christian spirituality would count as christian.


Will get back to you on this.. But not tonight ;)

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#24 Whiterose

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:46 PM

Will get back to you on this.. But not tonight ;)



I appologize if I upset your dinner.... :happy:

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#25 Michele

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:17 PM

Perhaps it might do well before the debate begins to specify if we are speaking of literal christianity, gnostic christianity, or "churchianity"...

I think there is a conflict between being a literal xtain (who follows the bible as literal) and being a witch at the same time.

I think there is a conflict between being a "chruchian" and a witch at the same time.

I don't think there is a conflict between being a gnostic xtian and a witch at the same time (some gnostics are quite into the occult).

I don't think there is a conflict between being a xtian who does not take the bible literally but as symbols and mythology.

To be a xtian means, literally, one who accepts Christ as their "saviour" - saviour being one who enlightens the soul... Nothing to do with the bible or the church or anything else... they all came into the picture later in the game.

Again, it all comes down to how one defines xtian and how one defines witch.

Also - if the main argument is how could anyone be a witch and follow the bible when it says witchcraft is evil.... well, the bible also says you shouldn't kill or drool over your neighbor's wife, but plenty of xtians lust and plenty of xtian soilders go to war for their countries and kill without feeling its "evil" - so its really how any one preson can manage to rationalize it to suit their own mind and desires...

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#26 Whiterose

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:25 PM

Perhaps it might do well before the debate begins to specify if we are speaking of literal christianity, gnostic christianity, or "churchianity"...

I think there is a conflict between being a literal xtain (who follows the bible as literal) and being a witch at the same time.

I think there is a conflict between being a "chruchian" and a witch at the same time.

I don't think there is a conflict between being a gnostic xtian and a witch at the same time (some gnostics are quite into the occult).

I don't think there is a conflict between being a xtian who does not take the bible literally but as symbols and mythology.

To be a xtian means, literally, one who accepts Christ as their "saviour" - saviour being one who enlightens the soul... Nothing to do with the bible or the church or anything else... they all came into the picture later in the game.

Again, it all comes down to how one defines xtian and how one defines witch.

Also - if the main argument is how could anyone be a witch and follow the bible when it says witchcraft is evil.... well, the bible also says you shouldn't kill or drool over your neighbor's wife, but plenty of xtians lust and plenty of xtian soilders go to war for their countries and kill without feeling its "evil" - so its really how any one preson can manage to rationalize it to suit their own mind and desires...

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You make some excellent points.

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 03:50 AM

The only *witchy* traits I think may have doomed me if I was born back in the dark ages would be the birthmark on my left arm, and the fact that I am left handed.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 03:59 AM

I don't know that I have any 'witchy' traits. I do tend to have hair that boofs when I wash it, and I can do the thousand yard stare lol.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 07:17 AM

Eyes may not have much relevance to you, but I put a great deal of stock in the look from someones eyes. Mentally ill people have a different type of intensity to their eyes, a wild intensity, not a controlled one.

Also, if one can not be a christian and a witch, what about Hoodoo? Surely christian spirituality would count as christian.


Morning hehe...

Right, First off.. what makes you think I dont take a great deal of stock in someone's eyes too?

As far as my comment goes, my point was that I don't think it is relevant to whether one is a witch or not. We are talking here about what would have been used to condemn someone as a witch back in the day.. I can almost hear the chatter' 'Oh I knew she was witch, could see it in her eyes' I remember once, seeing in the paper about a murder.. there was a picture of a man...and someone I was with, saw the photo of this guy with quite intense looking eyes.. and said 'he looks like one, look at his eyes!' well the photo was of the victim not the murderer..

Yes a witch may or may not have some intense shit going on their eyes, but so do many people...

There are (as you know) varying degrees of mental ill health, and In my experience, Someone mentally ill can be incredibly focused.. don’t mean they are a witch though.

As far as ‘Christian’ and ‘witch’..I am of course talking about established Christianity. To be a xtian means you acknowledge that you needed a savior, that you are sinful and need baptism, that you follow the old and new testaments.

Remember too that Jesus of Nazareth didn’t use the name Christians to describe his followers, nor indeed did his followers use that label to describe themselves.. This was a label that was given to this sect by Pagans, and it stuck.

A witch can use and work with anything.. A witch can go to church, pray, read the bible and so on.. but a witch is a witch and will never limit him or herself to a title that is about, becoming a slave who needs saving.



I appologize if I upset your dinner.... :happy:


Don’t worry..I didn't have any :dry:

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:07 AM

Yes a witch may or may not have some intense shit going on their eyes, but so do many people...



I agree with this, I was even thinking it yesterday while reading through the post''s.


The many other people are a very large number. the same can be said about other traits also, but as I know many people with intense eyes in my everyday life that are not "Witches" I don't know anyone in my circle of family and friends (not including cyber friends) that have a birth mark.


From the day I was born my birth mark has not changed in anyway, I don't believe it's the mark of a Witch, but I do believe it is a mark of something brought from a past life. But hey, that's a whole other topic.


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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:51 AM

As for birthmarks, I have a heart-shaped birthmark on my right hip that fades in and out of view from time to time. Very small (about the size of my thumb pad), pink, more of a discoloration of the skin than the raised, brown, bumpy birthmarks I've noticed on other people. :)


Twinsies!!! I have a heart shaped pale birthmark too only on my right calf.^_^

I'm another with that killer stare, to the point I don't look at people when they talk to me, because it freaks them out. I sneak up on people as well, but I was taught to walk very softly, so that could be why. I also tend to have better luck than most, but I know what that's due to(thank you ancestors!!).

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:44 AM

I have a third nipple and a very persistent wart on my finger that nothing will remove. Only the one!
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:31 AM

Morning hehe...

Right, First off.. what makes you think I dont take a great deal of stock in someone's eyes too?

As far as my comment goes, my point was that I don't think it is relevant to whether one is a witch or not. We are talking here about what would have been used to condemn someone as a witch back in the day.. I can almost hear the chatter' 'Oh I knew she was witch, could see it in her eyes' I remember once, seeing in the paper about a murder.. there was a picture of a man...and someone I was with, saw the photo of this guy with quite intense looking eyes.. and said 'he looks like one, look at his eyes!' well the photo was of the victim not the murderer..

Yes a witch may or may not have some intense shit going on their eyes, but so do many people...

There are (as you know) varying degrees of mental ill health, and In my experience, Someone mentally ill can be incredibly focused.. don’t mean they are a witch though.

As far as ‘Christian’ and ‘witch’..I am of course talking about established Christianity. To be a xtian means you acknowledge that you needed a savior, that you are sinful and need baptism, that you follow the old and new testaments.

Remember too that Jesus of Nazareth didn’t use the name Christians to describe his followers, nor indeed did his followers use that label to describe themselves.. This was a label that was given to this sect by Pagans, and it stuck.

A witch can use and work with anything.. A witch can go to church, pray, read the bible and so on.. but a witch is a witch and will never limit him or herself to a title that is about, becoming a slave who needs saving.





Don’t worry..I didn't have any :dry:


Well, I think a witch's stare as a trait from back in the day is relevant as many cultures believe that the "Evil Eye" is the mark of the witch. This one I would think is the most accurate seeing as the marks on ones body, be it scars, moles or birthmarks which are all considered the devils mark, can be on the body for a variety of different reasons. Where as, you can feel the essence of someone by their stare, feeling if they are giving you the Evil Eye.

Some mentally ill people do have intense stuff going on in their eyes and there are a variety of different mental illnesses, and some people you wouldn't even know were mentally ill. I have had conversations with two people that have been diagnosed with paranoid schizophenia, lived with someone diagnosed as manic depressive with borderline personality disorder, and spoken to people with mental retardation. I have also lived with and met many witches both blood and not. There is a differenced between the intensity in the eyes of a witch (one with the gift, not a "learned witch") and those of the public not gifted...mentally ill or otherwise.

I'm not going to argue the christan witch thing as we have many threads that cover this topic on here. All I will say is you can't follow their dogma (truthfully) and be a practising witch, that much I agree, but you can adhere to their spirituality as it is not the same thing.

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#34 Oakbuchanan

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 05:53 AM

Well, I think a witch's stare as a trait from back in the day is relevant as many cultures believe that the "Evil Eye" is the mark of the witch. This one I would think is the most accurate seeing as the marks on ones body, be it scars, moles or birthmarks which are all considered the devils mark, can be on the body for a variety of different reasons. Where as, you can feel the essence of someone by their stare, feeling if they are giving you the Evil Eye.

Some mentally ill people do have intense stuff going on in their eyes and there are a variety of different mental illnesses, and some people you wouldn't even know were mentally ill. I have had conversations with two people that have been diagnosed with paranoid schizophenia, lived with someone diagnosed as manic depressive with borderline personality disorder, and spoken to people with mental retardation. I have also lived with and met many witches both blood and not. There is a differenced between the intensity in the eyes of a witch (one with the gift, not a "learned witch") and those of the public not gifted...mentally ill or otherwise.

I'm not going to argue the christan witch thing as we have many threads that cover this topic on here. All I will say is you can't follow their dogma (truthfully) and be a practising witch, that much I agree, but you can adhere to their spirituality as it is not the same thing.


I think your missing my point just a tad.... Also think your making some big persumptions...

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:51 AM

(IMO) "The Evil Eye, The Death Look, The Intense Frightening stare" is only affective as the vulnerability of the person it is being directed at. if the receiver believes in the strength and power of those eyes then they will fear them and they will effect them.
Me being me, I would just flip them off, walk away and not give it a second thought, those eyes will not affect me because I can in my own belief and will, overcome them.

The hypnotist is very clever but cannot hypnotise everyone, it all comes down to the receivers willingness to succumb. (IMO)

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#36 Michele

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:17 PM

I was underthe impression that the Evil Eye had nothing to do with eyes themselves, but was a term implying that one had been cursed by a wtich - not becuase the witch "looked" at him but becuase one FIGURATIVELY became under the notice of the witch ( one looks at someone when one notices someone) and the witch then did a spell/hex, etc. Like the term "being crossed" doesn't actually refer to a specific "cross" but more being hexed by the crosser. I think we may be taking "evil Eye" too literaly. And I do often think much in the craft is taken too literally. One might feel energy or power from another's eyes, but that doesn't mean it is literally the eye that sends it - a blind person can still be a witch.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 02:46 PM

I actually have many birthmarks. The other day someone in the metaphysical shop said my daughter was a fairy and that she loved fairy magic. Someone else has said that of her in the past. She has the most beautiful piercing blue eyes. Mine used to be that color too but are green now like my mothers.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 04:26 PM

From the day I was born my birth mark has not changed in anyway, I don't believe it's the mark of a Witch, but I do believe it is a mark of something brought from a past life. But hey, that's a whole other topic.

This is interesting that you say this, as I have wondered pretty much the same about my birthmark on my left forearm. It is light in color but looks like the shape of a kiss or lips on my arm. I think some of our marks could very well possibly be something that came from a previous life existence.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 04:36 PM

This is interesting that you say this, as I have wondered pretty much the same about my birthmark on my left forearm. It is light in color but looks like the shape of a kiss or lips on my arm. I think some of our marks could very well possibly be something that came from a previous life existence.



I've wondered about it for long long time. I may find some reading on regression and see if there is any mention of birthmarks and such.


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Posted 08 August 2011 - 03:09 PM

I have a birthmark on my ass, does that count???? LOL
Other then that, yes it's in the eyes, a psychic told me that the other day, so it must be true! :)

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