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Ok so I see it says 'not talking Buffy' but I had to say, maybe it's a generational thing but I loved that show. I know it is not really related to this topic but let's be honest, who secretly didn't wish they had a boyfriend as hot as Angel or power like Willow ended up with at the end of Season 7? I know I did.

 

I also think it was the first time that teen girls could see women their own age (at least their own age in the show) in a prime position of power and strength. For that alone, kudos to Joss.

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The problem with this show is something I call the 'Buffy Factor', which is that it spawned a whole generation of wannabe Willows signing up wholesale for Wicca; thus creating that monstrous phenomenon "The Fluffy Bunny". Maybe I am being unkind... people who sell candles have benefited as lighting them is all they seem to know how to do!

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As I read those words theres a fight for supremacy going on between Jeremy Clarkson and David Frost in my head lol

 

I love the way you word things sometimes.. :teehee: wonderful..

 

 

 

yes, I am aware my vote was not solicited.... but David Frost..

 

 

 

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Ok so I see it says 'not talking Buffy' but I had to say, maybe it's a generational thing but I loved that show. I know it is not really related to this topic but let's be honest, who secretly didn't wish they had a boyfriend as hot as Angel or power like Willow ended up with at the end of Season 7? I know I did.

 

I also think it was the first time that teen girls could see women their own age (at least their own age in the show) in a prime position of power and strength. For that alone, kudos to Joss.

 

 

Could be a generational thing, no doubt. I never could get into " Buffuffly " lol.

 

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Gypsy

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The problem with this show is something I call the 'Buffy Factor', which is that it spawned a whole generation of wannabe Willows signing up wholesale for Wicca; thus creating that monstrous phenomenon "The Fluffy Bunny". Maybe I am being unkind... people who sell candles have benefited as lighting them is all they seem to know how to do!

 

Well said Tana. Personally I liked Buffy, but not because of Willow, I actually found her annoying. I loved Angel, still do. He was hot AND one of the good guys. Something about a vampire trying to right the wrongs of the world... I just liked that part. Buffy was cheesy, but light entertainment. Then again I like the fluffy horror/sci-fi as well as the more hardcore stuff too.

 

You are correct in that it is a good thing for young girls to see a female with the right kind of power/strength in a roll. She was strong and smart, not trampy and socially obsessed. They could have done the occult stuff better... but then it wouldn't have been as cheesy as the rest of the show and would have been out of place. Oh well. Hollywood may never get it right b/c they wouldn't get the ratings they need. We can only hope I guess.

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Frost's putting up a good fight, but Clarkson's just not letting go! :crossfingers:

 

Thanks, I've now got images of Frost and Clarkson cracking each other..

Maybe ask Harry Hill if he can put it on his show :lol:

 

As for buffy, I liked the original film and hate to say but my mum watches and even records the series. Though personally I quite like Allyson Hannigan (American Pie anyone lol)

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Ok so I see it says 'not talking Buffy' but I had to say, maybe it's a generational thing but I loved that show. I know it is not really related to this topic but let's be honest, who secretly didn't wish they had a boyfriend as hot as Angel or power like Willow ended up with at the end of Season 7? I know I did.

 

I also think it was the first time that teen girls could see women their own age (at least their own age in the show) in a prime position of power and strength. For that alone, kudos to Joss.

 

I dunno if it's a generational thing... cuz I never really 'got' Buffy. It was too cheesy. I was a very dark and geeky teenage girl... very much a loner, and I absolutely loathed the blonde cheerleader in the heroine role. Willow just made me roll my eyes.:rolleyes_witch: And I really didn't find Angel hot... too clean cut for me.

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I think I'm of the appropriate generation to have watched Buffy, but I've never seen a single episode, commercials are the extent of my Buffy knowledge. It gets brought up on witchcraft forums so often that I think sometimes I should watch a few just so I'll be able to join in the discussion. lol

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Well, I am a fan. Sometimes a TV show is just a TV show; no connection or application to real life; nothing to debate or defend, just mindless nonsense. A little cheesy, a little silly . . . Besides, in later seasons there was absolutely nothing fluffy about the Willow character. She goes all crazy and evil, removing the skin from a man with a wave of her hand. Nothing fluffy bunny about that. She kicked ass regularly in later episodes.

 

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I love Buffy and still do. I will admit that it is hard to watch the first season though as it is so terribly dated. I know it is cheesy and ridiculous, but that is why I loved it so much. It was a great distraction to my real life and was funny.

 

I have been on Witchcraft and Pagan forums for a long time and I have never really noticed an issue with the wannabe Willows that have been mentioned. Now when The Craft came out, it was terrible. Everyday dozens of people (mostly kids) coming in to tell us all that they were "natural witches" and could fly, but strangely they almost always wanted love spells. LOL. :rolleyes_witch:

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I think Willow kicking the shit out of everything when she had PMT turned the whole "ZOMG I WANNA BE A WILLOW WITCH :D" into a tide of ":jawdrop:" as the assault on their fluffy sensibilities.

 

Closest I really had with that is my current partner introduced me to Buffy/Angel and when she flayed the guy there was a pause, he glanced at me and went

"honey..." in a meek, mild mannered tone

"Yes dear?"

"... Don't go getting any ideas."

"Don't worry, love, I've already considered it."

"Oh... okay then."

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Hmm, Willow alone is worth the watch, particularly the "Dark" image she portrayed, yummy.

 

As far as kids being swayed by this bogus image of magic/occult well that just shows how kids are generally gullible to TV/Movie presentations. Don't blame them or call them by terms of "fluffy", they are malleable kids and as such are sucked into all kinds of things that hopefully they can get out of. A Xtian motto of "Bring me a child and they will be mine forever" (paraphrased) is a REAL threat to a kid's self-determining future.

 

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Elf

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I've always liked Buffy. As well as other shows like Being Human & True Blood. They're entertaining and, like Jevne said, sometimes a tv show is just a tv show.

I think it's important to note that young age and impressionability don't always go hand in hand with regard to this topic. I've babysat 10 & 12 yr olds who know these shows and movies are nothing more than fiction. I've also met 20, 30 & 40 yr olds who treat Buffy, Charmed, and the Craft as a real glimpse into the occult world. *hurk*

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A Xtian motto of "Bring me a child and they will be mine forever" (paraphrased) is a REAL threat to a kid's self-determining future.

 

Now I thought that was a Xtian motto too, Jesuit in fact. But from a quick google search I think it's actually attributed to Lennin...know anymore Elf? as I'm trying to remember where the hell I read or heard it was xtian in origin?

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Ah I just been informed by a member here that apparently it is also attributed to Hitler, and also St Ignatius of Loyola who as far as I recall was a Jesuit..So as Ignatius lived before both Lenin and Hitler I think He can claim 1st prize for such a disturbing saying..

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Ah I just been informed by a member here that apparently it is also attributed to Hitler, and also St Ignatius of Loyola who as far as I recall was a Jesuit..So as Ignatius lived before both Lenin and Hitler I think He can claim 1st prize for such a disturbing saying..

 

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Oak-

Really though, the origin of the phrase (or forms of it) do not really matter, it is the use and motive that is important to me. Wanting to draw kids in a malleable state into a religious system through family and pressure-groups is selfish and is intended to removes individual life-choices.

And I see it all the time here in OK.

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Elf

 

 

 

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I have seen (many of) the episodes, but they aren't something I would watch again. As for Willow's "dark-time", I didn't get the feeling she had any clue - she was not in control of herself or what she was doing at all and was pure reactionary to the death of her gf and all the hatred and anger it brought up. I think if one wants to get into that type of power and working one really needs to know their own self and motives and she didn't (at least that's I what I got from it if I am remembering the episodes correctly). She wasn't in charge and she had no self control, hence she actually had to go back to that English fellow (whose name eludes me) to try and get her shit back together. She was just overwhelmed by that power and it ran amuck, but she couldn't control her own emotions or the power they brought/connected to. She was like a three year old with a machine gun. And I do think control is paramount to the witch. But okay, that's over analyzing it... it was a Hollywood make-money movie, lol. But if given a choice, I'd watch a Xena episode :-)

 

M

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I have seen (many of) the episodes, but they aren't something I would watch again. As for Willow's "dark-time", I didn't get the feeling she had any clue - she was not in control of herself or what she was doing at all and was pure reactionary to the death of her gf and all the hatred and anger it brought up. I think if one wants to get into that type of power and working one really needs to know their own self and motives and she didn't (at least that's I what I got from it if I am remembering the episodes correctly). She wasn't in charge and she had no self control, hence she actually had to go back to that English fellow (whose name eludes me) to try and get her shit back together. She was just overwhelmed by that power and it ran amuck, but she couldn't control her own emotions or the power they brought/connected to. She was like a three year old with a machine gun. And I do think control is paramount to the witch. But okay, that's over analyzing it... it was a Hollywood make-money movie, lol. But if given a choice, I'd watch a Xena episode :-)

 

M

 

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M- Just to clarify...I was referring to the LOOK of Willow, and I reiterate; Yummy! You are correct regarding her being taken by the power of course.

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Oak-

Really though, the origin of the phrase (or forms of it) do not really matter, it is the use and motive that is important to me. Wanting to draw kids in a malleable state into a religious system through family and pressure-groups is selfish and is intended to removes individual life-choices.

And I see it all the time here in OK.

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Elf

 

Hey Elf, I know what your saying.. But I think it does matter. There is far too much misinformation thrown about, I think its important to know the sources and quote them accurately, so there are no misunderstandings or words put into peoples/or groups mouths that may go on to breed contempt, falsely.

 

 

It is shit though that Children are forced to think a certain way.. I have a friend whose mum was a witch, but who forbid her to use the word God, and told her she was not allowed to ever believe in a God either. So it goes on in all walks..

 

Just out of interest Elf, what does FFFF stand for? if its not a strict secret that you cant share that is..

 

Oak

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Very true, going by some of the applications we deny membership to :rolleyes_witch:

 

Thank you for that, btw. :-) It's nice to not have to sift through fluffy posts here.

:cheers:

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Thank you for that, btw. :-) It's nice to not have to sift through fluffy posts here.

:cheers:

 

I think some may like the sport lol

 

Though I'm sure there's a safety feature in the forum software to sniff them out

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