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#1 Oakbuchanan

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 06:44 PM

http://www.plantteac...rom-april-2011/

http://www.thereader...medicinesq.html


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Posted 24 December 2010 - 07:48 PM

I will be watching the EU closely as, although our Food & Drug Administration is a seriously backward, big-Pharma oriented monstrosity, they do tend to take under serious advisement what happens in the EU. But I'm not sure the hyperbole is accurate. For another viewpoint, see here.

http://www.henriette...og/eu-laws.html

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 09:00 PM

I will be watching the EU closely as, although our Food & Drug Administration is a seriously backward, big-Pharma oriented monstrosity, they do tend to take under serious advisement what happens in the EU. But I'm not sure the hyperbole is accurate. For another viewpoint, see here.

http://www.henriette...og/eu-laws.html


Yea interesting.. there definatley is the conspiracy theorists on board!

Anothercouple of links of interest:

http://www.telegraph...e-medicine.html

http://www.dailymail...tens-rules.html


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Posted 24 December 2010 - 10:04 PM

Weeeeelllll, speaking as a medical herbalist, it looks like the EU's herbal committee (I forget the acronym) is busy, and approving the majority of herbs commonly used. The long list of monographs is here http://www.ema.europ...rdSearch=Submit and it looks like they're first following along with the German Commission E Monographs, which cover 168 commonly used herbs (I think that's the number).


I, for one, would like to see some sort of regulation of the manufacture of supplements available commercially. As has been stated in some articles, heavy metals have been found, some supplements here in the US have been found to contain only trace amounts of the herb you're supposed to be buying, etc. From the little reading I've done, it doesn't look like the purchase of raw herb is going to be banned. Hell, if that were the case, all the chefs would be up in arms! So, for those of us that buy herbs in bulk & then make up our own concoctions, we're still good.

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#5 Oakbuchanan

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 10:52 PM

It's good to get a medical Herbalists opinion bout this, as I'm just Joe public of course who's reading and hearing all sorts of stuff bout this.. Though there does seem to be alot of medical herbalists who seem Perturbed by this too...Guess it's gonna be six of one, half a dozen of the other...we will just have to wait and see then....

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:02 AM

WTF? Where do they think most modern drugs came from?? Why dont they just fuck off and leave us alone.
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Posted 25 December 2010 - 12:54 PM

WTF? Where do they think most modern drugs came from?? Why dont they just fuck off and leave us alone.


Because big Pharma can't make money off herbs - you can't patent a natural substance. It's all about the almighty dollar.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 01:33 PM

Because big Pharma can't make money off herbs - you can't patent a natural substance. It's all about the almighty dollar.



sad but true, they will have a hard time with us tho, think most of us grow our own lol

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 01:38 PM

What is the EU?

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 01:52 PM

What is the EU?

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European Union or maybe u know it as the Common Market

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 02:13 PM

Ahhhh.. thanks, lol

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 03:01 PM

Because big Pharma can't make money off herbs - you can't patent a natural substance. It's all about the almighty dollar.


Exactly MW...


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Posted 25 December 2010 - 05:50 PM

This whole thing has been going on some time now, i began watching the debates a few years ago.
Personally i i think trying to control the whole populace from doing something they've been doing since mankind learned the benefits of herbs is going to be impossible to monitor however they try. But then again i'm sure they have some pernicious ideas up their sleeves to try to deter folk.
I have a feeling that ,somehow, the determined will continue as they've always done regardless.


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Posted 26 December 2010 - 01:11 PM

Anybody know this one; Agenda 21, it may shed some light on things.

The United Nations Agenda 21 was signed by the United States in 1992 and 14 years later, people are still in the dark. If you were to ask at random the question, "Have you heard of Agenda 21?" the answer would be an over-whelming "No," although it is being implemented in every local community.

Agenda 21 is a 40 chapter document listing goals to be achieved globally. It is the global plan to change the way we "live, eat, learn and communicate" because we must "save the earth."

"Its regulation would severely limit water, electricity, and transportation - even deny human access to our most treasured wilderness areas, it would monitor all lands and people. No one would be free from the watchful eye of the new global tracking and information system," according to Berit Kjos, author of Brave New Schools.

Maurice Strong, Secretary-general of the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) in Rio de Janeiro said, "...[C]urrent lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat consumption and large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable. A shift is necessary which will require a vast strengthening of the multilateral system, including the United Nations.

In other words, the Global plan is for us to live on the level of third world nations. That means no box mixes or microwave meals, limited use of fuel of any kind, no air-conditioning and very little meat. When the cost of freon skyrocketed, when mad cow disease hit, the National Animal Identification System introduced, the price of fuel soared, it has become apparent that given time, these sustainable controls will be put into place - one way or another - and the Global Governance is powerful.

In 1992, Agenda 21 began to change our lives. In that same year, Al Gore wrote his book, Earth in the Balance. To advance his cause, he has now written another piece of fiction entitled, An Inconvenient Truth about global warming…..he even starred in the movie. He also thinks he invented the internet.

Although groundwork had been laid, it took a Bill Clinton to actually introduce something so invasive to our nation and get by with it without the public becoming aware. President Clinton appointed his "President's Council on Sustainable Development" and he literally gave away the rights and freedoms the framers of the Constitution had provided.

People in the United States may not know about Agenda 21 and the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, but people around the world do. They know that Chicago has one of the greatest numbers of activities existing at the local, neighborhood and/or microregional level. They also know that the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) monitors and promotes activities in this field through their Office for Sustainable Ecosystem and Communities.

Found on a Slovakian website: "To the leading countries in the field of development but especially of practical using of sustainable development indicators belong to the U.S.A. At the top level these activities are promoted by the President's Council on Sustainable Development (1996), which defined a set of ten national goals toward sustainable development. These goals express in concrete terms the elements of sustainability. Alongside the goals are suggested indicators that can be used to help measure progress toward achieving them.”

Agenda 21 is certainly not a secret. The Internet is full of how Agenda 21 has been fulfilled through Smart Growth planning, land use, sustainable development and extreme environmentalism. The so-called agenda is grant driven to your city council or county board in terms of sustainable, visioning, partners, tourism and stakeholders, along with consensus and other terms with the intent to make you believe we are running out of all our resources and we must do our part and "save for tomorrow.

It has nothing to do about “saving anything” – it has everything to do with “control.” Sadly, very few congressmen even know Agenda 21 is actually running our country when they are voting to send grant money back home. Agenda 21 is incentive driven as the planners know that greed in the heart of man will be his downfall.

The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, better known as ANWR, has oil we need to be drilling for the security of our nation. Environmentalists don't seem to understand we are dependent on foreign oil from nations who do not like us and our nation's defense is at stake. The area where drilling would occur is just a dot in this vast land, yet they would gamble the strength of our nation in behalf of their favorite word --"pristine."

At the same time, technology is advancing and we may not need the oil later. But we do need it now.

Henry Lamb of Eco-logic, Restructuring the U.N.,

The world changed on 9-11. No longer can the world tilt at the windmills of a fantasized "global village." No longer can visions of "sustainable development" be justified in a world where "sustainable freedom" is the only possible solution to the economic and power vacuum that foments acts of terrorism.

There is a better way.

Nations can and, ultimately, must learn to live as neighbors, free from the web of "international laws" that dictate which activities are "sustainable" and which are xenophobic and unacceptable. Nation-to-nation relationships, just like neighbor-to-neighbor relationships, should be fashioned voluntarily, driven by mutual benefit. For the first time in a century, the United States may be exploring this possibility.

Henry Lamb is right. We can live as neighbors with other nations but we do not need to live under a "web of international law." There are dedicated citizens in the United States who are wise enough to set our nation’s guidelines without following Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development as set forth by the United Nations.

One of the main goals of Agenda 21 is to redistribute the wealth to third world countries and to bring our great nation to its knees in the name of socialism, fascism, communism or some other “ism.” Our founding fathers founded this nation on the belief of a Sovereign God and we have been blessed. Do you know the Gods of the nations to which we would become equal?


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Posted 26 December 2010 - 02:39 PM

Anybody know this one; Agenda 21, it may shed some light on things.



I've actually read Agenda 21 . . . found some HUGE leaps in logic in the conspiracy theorists' evaluation of the document. It doesn't actually say the majority of what they claim it says. It is, however, just ambiguous enough in some of its wording to be a prime target for speculation and conjecture.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 02:44 PM

Anyone else read animal farm? All people are equal but Americans are more equal than others PMSFL. They can try it but they can fuck off. Most of what I need can be found around my woods and unfortunately they r that dense the sattelites may not be able to see under the canopy!
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Posted 26 December 2010 - 04:06 PM

I've actually read Agenda 21 . . . found some HUGE leaps in logic in the conspiracy theorists' evaluation of the document. It doesn't actually say the majority of what they claim it says. It is, however, just ambiguous enough in some of its wording to be a prime target for speculation and conjecture.

Jevne


Ambiguous or not it's just another notch in the whipping stick, that has lead to Senate Bill S510, which was passed then halted due to a "technical error" and then was rushed through in a late night session just before xmas. No matter what ones belief is, this planet cannot sustain the projected population, worldwide plans are afoot to reduce that "burden" while making a hansom profit, the facts stand, our rights and freedoms (all of us) are being eroded, in the name of; fighting terrorist and protecting our health.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 04:08 PM

Anyone else read animal farm? All people are equal but Americans are more equal than others PMSFL. They can try it but they can fuck off. Most of what I need can be found around my woods and unfortunately they r that dense the sattelites may not be able to see under the canopy!

Good for you Marshy, I'm with you on that one :)



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Posted 28 December 2010 - 07:36 PM

I'm in the US, so what the EU does doesn't immediately, directly affect me, but nonetheless, I would say take whatever you read with a grain of salt. Sensationalism sells, draws attention or pushes an agenda, and all too often the hype doesn't quite match the reality.
They may be making some poor decisions (what politician doesn't?) but I doubt there's any kind of war being waged on herbologists just for the benefit of big Pharma companies.
Sounds to me more like typical nanny-state type regulations -saving us from ourselves with overkill.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:16 AM

http://www.thmpd.eu/ - Try this link. The change is called the Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive. I work in the Pharmaceutical Industry and as soon as I hear anything new I will paste it on the forum for you. Some of the stuff I will have to type out for you, as the infomration is sometimes password protected and on specific Pharm sites.
There is a lot of scare mongering at the mo but fear not fellow TWs, once the EU and their cronies have finished fighting there may not be many teeth left in this directive.
Will try and keep you all up to speed

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