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Not used it in an incense base before but I can see the uses for evocation. Nice use! :)

 

I have used graveyard or mortery dirt for the divinations I mentioned, it works quite well, although it can be more contact with the dead and using dirt as a gateway for them to speak. Dirt from under the Yews can get a contact with the guardian spirits of the graveyard with the divination which can be useful too.

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I have never used GD spacificly before but due to some unsettling events recently I decided our home needed a super powerful protection ward. Instead of going to just the cemetery I went to our ancestral sacred Indian burial grounds to collect some dirt from them figuring two things one they are my ancestors so protecting my home should make this a very powerful spell and I just had this need to do it.

The thing is I took offerings or payment and because I wasn't real sure what they would want I brought several things. Sage and sweet grass, tabaco, grain alcohol and some coins. While I was praying I felt the wind rise around me and a feeling they wanted something more so I added a few drops of my blood to the alcohol before pouring it and then I put the rest of the stuff on top of it.

My question is I have never heard of spirits asking for blood as payment for dirt but it felt right, like I'm taking a piece of my family so I needed to leave a piece of me? What do you think was this a bad idea I have lots of respect for spirits and I know they can develop a liking for some things like blood and then turn evil. This did not feel like that but well I'm messing with real power here and it makes me a bit nervious.

 

The ward seems to be perfect and extreamly strong almost like I brought home some guardian that was invoked with the ward. I haven't seen anything just a peaceful feeling or sense I have.

I gathered a gallon bag of dirt so I wouldn't need to go back although I'm woundering now if I should ever go back for that purpose agine , I realize I might be freaking my self out about this but well can you blame me lol.

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Perhaps what they wanted was your DNA. Something they could attach to and use to find you, just as we use DNA in spells to find the target.

 

Ancestral lines can be very deep and strong, but in blooding to a thing, to me, you have also oathed to it. Ignore it and at best they ignore it, too. At worse you have something which feels betrayed. How long is this protection to last? A day, the season, your life? The life of all your offspring and their offspring? Marking them with your DNA, offering your DNA, you have (to me) marked them as yours, and you as theirs. If they were willing to accept this, then they are not opposed to that relationship, but it must be kept up continually. You have knocked, they have answered. You now need to keep this up continually, indeffinitely. A friend betrayed can become a foe.

 

Talk to them often, ask them for guidance but not rescue, leave them things often. If this place was not convieniently located to your home, then put a bit of their dirt in your hedge, and leave an offering there weekly if not nightly. If you have invited them into your home and/or life (on purpose or otherwise), you no longer live alone. Consider them in all decisions made within your house for it will effect them, too. Make vessels or focuses for them to inhabit when they want to... having a party? Give the the head's up so they can go to the peace and quiet of their vessel if they are not into many personalities and loud noises. Re-arranging the furniture? Tell them so they don't have to try and figure out where everything went. You no longer live alone. Had a bad day at work? Tell them so they can adjust to your mood. It's a relationship now, and they don't know your every thought or impulse or what happened outside of the house. They're spirits, not omnipotent. Get them things you know they like and leave them near their vessel or focus. Feed them and the relationship.

 

I dont' know what you did there, or if you actually brought back an actual-type spirit, but you need to find out. In my path we would not bring back and keep an ancestral spirit, but I do not know the ways of Native American paths. You may have blooded to a spirit of the land that had a vested interest in your ancestors and brought that back. Or you may have brought nothing back. But I would find out.

 

P.S. - If the spirit is not of a nasty bent to begin with, it will not turn nasty simply for the heck of it... unless it is deceptive or lying, then it is the way it feels - you had said peaceful. Like any relationship, if you harm it or betray it or leave it, it could become hurt or angry... so as long as you remember and consider it as and treat it as part of your family, then it will remain so. I understand that some NA burial mounds have wards left to protect them (usually with some DNA attachment - whether body, bones, or blood burried there). If the ward itself belonged to the mound, it should stay at the mound and guard what it was meant to guard, not you and yours. With luck it was a nature spirit that took a liking to you and will become a house ward if invited to do so. If the restless dead were there, and you got one of those, it will have to be sent back (which can actually be cruel if it longs for life, but would be a necessity). I'd say to watch your emotions and those of anyone who lives with you, any changes or sudden inability to handle situations that used to be worked through. These would not be possessions, but an overlaying feeling of anger or depression that permeates and affects the household and its members. If the spirit is nervous or unsure of you, that doesn't make it "bad" or unfriendly and trust can be built up. If it knew your ancestors of the mound and recognized your DNA, it may trust you based on that.

 

M

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A friend betrayed can become a foe.

 

 

Nice post Michele.

 

You were referring to the spirit can suddenly change from a friend to a foe?

 

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I have practiced some of the Native American ways and blood is a very strong thing. It is their way of sealing the deal, a strong pact. You do not give your blood up for something so easy, so to give it up means you are truly comitted to the pact. For them to ask for blood could have been for two reasons, one making sure you are related and two to make the pact stronger.

 

I think the feeling of having a gaurdian there is excatly why they asked for blood. Family is a very big thing to Native Americans, they protected each other and gave their life for each other as well. So in asking for them to protect your home, you now have a guardian.

 

As for having to keep giving for that pritection, I would ask them about that and see what they say. Sometime just giving your blood is enough.

 

 

I am very interested in GYD. I have heard about using it before, but I like to research and know what I am doing before just jumping in, also I want to make sure it feels like the right time for me to use it. One question I have is, can I collect GYD and keep it in bottle until I am ready to use it? I live in a different state far from where any of my family members may be buried, so I know I would not be able to use their dirt. I would love to get some of my great grandmother's as I believe she was a witch (Italian).

 

Another question not about the dirt, but when I had my first miscarriage I keep some of the clots and put it in a baby food jar. I buried it with nails and other sharp objects for protection. It has not worked, should I not use it? Could I use it for something else, in some other way?

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Also wanted to say I have learned alot from this post. I had gone walking in a cemetary with a friend twice and I always got the feeling like I should have left something, flowers or something as a sign of respect and a thank you. I did say thank you for letting me walk through, but it just did not feel like enough, know I know why. Next time I will bring some flowers. I am shocked though that my friend who says she is very connected and speaks with the non living all time and is very powerful, did not know to leave something as a sign of respect. But then again, I have always questioned how much power or gifts she really has.

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...You were referring to the spirit can suddenly change from a friend to a foe?

 

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Not as in just arbitrarily change, but that it is a relationship. Like any other relationship. You have a friend and you agree to meet them and you don't show up, they may stop trusting you. You have a friend but you only ever call them up when you need a ride somewhere, they stop answering your calls. You have a friend and you boss them around and fuck them or theirs over, you have an enemy. Relationship. :-)

 

And I'd think it important to know the lore and etiquette of that spirit/area. I would find out the lore of that area and try to adhere to that people's niceties.

 

M

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I'm having a ponder as to what to do, my mum was cremated and her ashes scattered at the crem in their garden. There was no service and I may visit and was wondering about taking some soil from where she was scattered but the trouble is many more have been scattered there before and more than likely since. I wouldn't want to think I'd be taking someone's aunty Gertrude or cousin Cyril home as well or even missing completely where mum was scattered.

 

I don't know what others think but I felt a release when my mum passed (I was there) and looking at her a while afterwards there was nothing there, it was my mum but it was just an empty shell. One reason why I wasn't bothered in the end that she'd requested there be no service (as is my dad's wishes when his time comes) as he said to me 'funerals are for the living'. But I like the thought of having something physical of her with me (I haven't got any hair from her etc)

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Gram - In may way of working you have two of the most physical and spiritual things of hers already; one is half her DNA and the other 1/4 of her DNA, and both are accesses to her memory. You and your child/children :-)

 

M

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Gram - In may way of working you have two of the most physical and spiritual things of hers already; one is half her DNA and the other 1/4 of her DNA, and both are accesses to her memory. You and your child/children :-)

 

M

 

Michele, I quite agree with you :)

 

I'm just wondering if dirt from a crem that has ashes mixed with it can be used, especially if it has 'ancestral' qualities? I would've preferred just my mums ashes as I am pondering upon the effects of taking home 'others'.

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Michele, I quite agree with you :)

 

I'm just wondering if dirt from a crem that has ashes mixed with it can be used, especially if it has 'ancestral' qualities? I would've preferred just my mums ashes as I am pondering upon the effects of taking home 'others'.

 

That I can't answer as I don't work with graveyards... in my way of working I will leave those in the graveyards to their rest. I will use dirt from a pet's grave in the back yard, but only for what it symbolizes- laying something to rest, be it an argument, ill feelings, whatever. But actual grave-spirits I don't work with.

 

M

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That I can't answer as I don't work with graveyards... in my way of working I will leave those in the graveyards to their rest. I will use dirt from a pet's grave in the back yard, but only for what it symbolizes- laying something to rest, be it an argument, ill feelings, whatever. But actual grave-spirits I don't work with.

 

M

Thanks for your views, something to think about. Up to now I've not used graveyard dirt or worked with grave-spirits as I've not felt a need. I've always found graveyards peaceful places and respected those who rest there - which I guess answers my thoughts.

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Thank you M and sarafina , I think that's a lot to consider and look into. I will and am trying to find if I unintentionally brought something home with me that I hadn't intended.

 

I really feel I had better give a little more background on how this came about. Not because any suggestions given are not valid or seem wrong but because I need to ensure you understand how big a deal this whole thing was.

I got permission from tribal elders before I ever even entered the sacred barial grounds as is custom. I asked them if it would be ok if I took a small amount of dirt home and told them why. My husband was recently threatened by a white supremisist group they not only threatend him but his family in a letter. Due to the extream danger it was agreed that our home needed very strong magic/madiciane and that they would agree to this as long as the dirt did not leave reservation boundrys. I would not enter let alone take anything from there with out permission of tribal elders. I know I'm making a big deal out of this but it occurred to me that anyone on the web could read this and think that entering a sacred barial ground and getting some dirt is ok I want to be very clear that's not the case. I would warn anyone think of doing this that the spirits that dwell there do not like being disturbed that's why you must get elder permission before entering, I would imagine the consiquences of disturbing them could be quite severe.

 

I'm thinking maybe this is why they wanted blood the DNA to show I had a right to be there. There are rituals we do every time we enter and leave and I will never be given permission to do this daily. However I'm thinking of adding a new section to my chant to thank them for their protection of my home. I have never used my blood for anything except blooding a knife before, blood others are very powerful to NA so I just haven't done one. I think your right in thinking that's what they wanted and I did t, I'm ok with that these are my ancestors and honoring them is very important to me.

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and suggestions.

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I am very unfamiliar with Native American ways... why don't you tell the Elders what happened and ask for their guidance or suggestions? Perhaps they might even know of something that is appropriate to do daily, or perhaps in NA ways it is not even acceptable to do things daily? I just don't know. I would look to the Elders of that path for how to walk it?

 

 

M

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What do you think was this a bad idea I have lots of respect for spirits and I know they can develop a liking for some things like blood and then turn evil. This did not feel like that but well I'm messing with real power here and it makes me a bit nervious.

 

 

 

I've never heard of that, of spirits 'turning bad' from developing a taste for blood. I give blood whe collecting graveyard dirt from my ancestors often, I've not had any issues. :)

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My great grandfather recalled a story, whereas people refused to shake hands with the man who dug the graves in town. When my mother asked him (her grandfather) why, he said that people feared having magics worked on them through the grave digger's touch. I do not know any grave diggers, actually, so I cannot speak to this, but I found it interesting all the same. I recall reading this somewhere, too, maybe here or someplace else, but can't remember where.

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I have heard something similar, but my family said it was because if you shook the grave digger's hand (after he had finished digging a grave) then he would be digging your grave would be one of the ones he would dig before the year was out.

Since I don't know anyone that digs graves now I think I shouhld be safe. Of course I don't ask people what their professions are usually when I first meet someone. So i might end up accidentally shaking a grave digger's hand.

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I have not heard of that particular lore, but it makes a lot of sense. Grave diggers, in a way, work with the dead. Kind of like some witches did (and by working with I don't mean controlling and calling up and "using" although there were some, I'm sure, who did). And to the lay person, anyone who was friends with the dead, knew the dead, was working with secrets that were "opposite" to life in their eyes. So I would guess there was probably a lot of lore surrounding those who worked with the dead. Possibly even keeping them separated - to an extent - from everyday society. To keep the dead separated from the living. At least in the minds of the living.

 

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I don't remember hearing that lore either. I did know a grave digger, when I was a child. I don't ever remember touching him though, not that I was scared to. Though, I do remember hearing something about India and their caste system and the people that dug the graves and took care of the dead where called Untouchables, the same as their sewer workers and garbage people. It may stem from older times when diseases were spread easily and the people that dealt with corpses were considered unclean. Back in those times, diseases were thought to be of supernatural origin in many cultures so that may be another reason as to why that lore has cropped up.

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Haaaahaaaaaa. .....ok yes i ts heard of over here but I wouldn't let it bother me. Give him or them coinage,I did.

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Dirt from a witches grave it was mentioned earlier here for use and I have an inclination that it would be good for protection against spells n spirits?

 

Also as a divinatory aid I've had alot of luck in some necromantic things when setting up my mirror in a circle of cemetary or graveyard dirt taken from. The gate

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Oh me oh my! I love to see others using gyd in their craft! There are so many good comments in this thread! One thing i like to do before collecting is mixing up some 'invisibility' powder or oil. It obviously wont actually make you invisible but it will make you go unnoticed if you needed to do something like get some gyd in broad daylight

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