Azoetia

[Guest hedgeman]

Is anyone here familiar with this book? I purchased this recently and am finding it interesting, but difficult to understand so far. I've seen this book on some other sites as highly regarded by traditional witches of the cultus sabbati variety. Anyone out there working with Azoetia?

[AnjelWolf]

Hhmm never heard of it sorry

[Droghon]

Read of it, haven't read it (not with a ?900 price tag on second hand market anyway).

 

From what I've heard and read Andrew Chumbley gets mixed reviews, some love it, some hate it. Good luck reading it and connecting with it.

 

Let us know how you get on.

[Guest wortmistress]

Read about Cultus Sabbati, A.C's works and have read a sample of his work. I found it quite ritualistic and hard to follow. Totally not my bag and didn't fit in which what I already practice. Saying that, it's always good to have a wide knowledge base!

[RavensClaw]

Hi,

 

You might have more luck on this forum:

 

edited out

 

I know a few on there are into AC and sabbatic craft. Don't know anything about it myself as the books are way too expensive for me.

 

Hope that helped.

 

RC

[Sandy]

Dear RC. As you are a member of the "English Traditional Witch Forum" we ask that you do not post their links here in our forum. They laid into us and attempted to blacken our name without any provoked attack whatsover. We have both had our says since then and have cleared the air but it is irrelevant.

 

We would like our site to be MUCH different from theirs and we are proud that we accept, with open arms, Traditionals Worldwide, not just in Britain.

 

You can find the "thread" on their forums.

 

If you wish to share links for information from another website, please use our Private Message system.

 

Thank you.

[Guest hedgeman]

I'm coming to the same conclusion as i read through Azoetia;although in between the hard-to-understand parts is some very interesting lore.

[RavensClaw]

Dear RC. As you are a member of the "English Traditional Witch Forum" we ask that you do not post their links here in our forum. They laid into us and attempted to blacken our name without any provoked attack whatsoever. We have both had our says since then and have cleared the air but it is irrelevant.

 

We would like our site to be MUCH different from theirs and we are proud that we accept, with open arms, Traditional Worldwide, not just in Britain.

 

You can find the "thread" on their forums.

 

If you wish to share links for information from another website, please use our Private Message system.

 

Thank you.

 

:eek: Oops, sorry I had no idea. I won't be posting any other forum addresses on here. I really had no idea at all....... I feel like a proper heel now.

 

Believe me, I like this site and the friendly attitude you guys have. I wouldn't have deliberately offended you guys after the welcome I've received and the honesty you have shown when I've asked a question.

 

Boy I really put my foot in it.

 

Sorry,

 

RC

[RavensClaw]

Dear RC. As you are a member of the "English Traditional Witch Forum" we ask that you do not post their links here in our forum. They laid into us and attempted to blacken our name without any provoked attack whatsoever. We have both had our says since then and have cleared the air but it is irrelevant.

 

We would like our site to be MUCH different from theirs and we are proud that we accept, with open arms, Traditional Worldwide, not just in Britain.

 

You can find the "thread" on their forums.

 

If you wish to share links for information from another website, please use our Private Message system.

 

Thank you.

 

:eek: Oops, sorry I had no idea. I won't be posting any other forum addresses on here. I really had no idea at all....... I feel like a proper heel now.

 

Believe me, I like this site and the friendly attitude you guys have. I wouldn't have deliberately offended you guys after the welcome I've received and the honesty you have shown when I've asked questions.

 

Boy I really put my foot in it.

 

Sorry,

 

RC

[Sandy]

No probs .. you didn't realise. Now you do :hugs:

[RavensClaw]

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt, its appreciated.

 

RC:D:D

[Ancestral Celt]

Hedgeman,

 

Have you read Ars Philtron and Qutub as well? Was wondering if you have any thoughts on these works you'd care to share?

[foxman]

Azoetia is good if you understand the glyphs and the illustrations. The written information is good if you can follow that the Cultus Sabbati is the power behind this book as Andrew D. Chumbley was its Imperator until his untimely death. The Glyphs and Illustrations in the more lavish and numbered editions are somewhat better in that there is a 'sentience of power' coming from some of the sigils which suggests to me that rituals were performed on the seals of some of the more expensive (£900.00) books, to carry the familiar or spirit of a given ritual - 'nough said! foxman

Edited February 9, 2014 by foxman

[ruby]

Is there anyone on the boards who would be open to talking about any experiences with this book (if you'd like to say something, but not on the boards, feel free to pm me... for myself, I don't know if I'd feel comfortable saying anything "too specific" on the public boards anyway...)-those who have worked/work with it? I notice when I do searches, that I see more theory talked about with the book, and really nothing specific about experiences with the energies and the book-unless I've missed it in my searches. I see much of the same thing when I search on the internet in general, too. People talk about the book, but not about specific experiences. So, I guess experiences are highly individual and maybe that's why. I can understand that, but then it becomes frustrating, having had an experience with the book, not totally understanding the experience, and having nothing to really compare it too, other than readings in the book.

 

I thought I'd bump the thread and see if anyone has anything to add. Or maybe even if someone has seen this discussed elsewhere, and could point me in that direction so I can just read through other people's thoughts for perspective.

 

What I will say, as far as a review, is that it does have an energy with it. It is also highly ritualistic (I am not one that is into high ritual, so this is a different experience for me). It's definitely a book that needs a lot of patience and dedication, if you want to understand it and get something out of it. I just bought the book pretty recently, and am working through just reading it, mostly.

Edited April 16, 2014 by Anara

[Michele]

I worked with it for several years. I couple of us on here used to meet up in chat on Wednesday nights to discuss our findings on it. It does get results, and I found it easiest to work with when I went through it and re-wrote the sentences in plain English, lol lol lol. I found the energy of working with it very "heavy"... almost like longing if that makes any sense. I also found a lot of the people who discuss it on the internet get so into the language of the book and trying to sound "cultis" that they forget the reason for working with the book, and I have wondered if that language is even a diversion within the book itself. What the book says is easily said in English without difficult wording. For me it ultimately became too "head" stuff and for me crafting is more nature-related than head related although I do love me some philosophy, but this is also in direct opposition to the VU book by the same group, which again suggests that the head stuff wording may be a tactic, but to what end I couldn't tell you. If you want to get into Lucifernism (sp) it is a good book to work with and did produce results with dedication. But I also remember something else Chumbly said: "I'm just a country witch at heart." 

 

M

[ruby]

I worked with it for several years. I couple of us on here used to meet up in chat on Wednesday nights to discuss our findings on it. It does get results, and I found it easiest to work with when I went through it and re-wrote the sentences in plain English, lol lol lol. I found the energy of working with it very "heavy"... almost like longing if that makes any sense. I also found a lot of the people who discuss it on the internet get so into the language of the book and trying to sound "cultis" that they forget the reason for working with the book, and I have wondered if that language is even a diversion within the book itself. What the book says is easily said in English without difficult wording. For me it ultimately became too "head" stuff and for me crafting is more nature-related than head related although I do love me some philosophy, but this is also in direct opposition to the VU book by the same group, which again suggests that the head stuff wording may be a tactic, but to what end I couldn't tell you. If you want to get into Lucifernism (sp) it is a good book to work with and did produce results with dedication. But I also remember something else Chumbly said: "I'm just a country witch at heart." 

 

M

 

I was hoping you'd offer some thoughts...lol. I get the "heaviness". The book keeps wanting me to pick it up. Did you find that in your experience? Also, and if you don't feel comfortable saying anything more about it, no worries! but I thought I'd ask anyway. A long awhile ago, you mentioned the book to me in another thread and mentioned you "felt something go inside of you". Did that happen right when you got that book? Did it stay there or did it go away eventually?

 

Also, it did not even cross my mind that this is considered luciferianism..lol...but, yeah, I guess it would be.

 

Regarding "head stuff", well, I can discuss, contemplate, and read just like the next person-but I'd rather be out there living it-I get where you are coming from. However, did you find that you grew a lot in your craft and figuring out your path from all of your years working with it? As in, was the time put in worth it, for you?

[RoseRed]

I haven't read this specific book but I have read some of Chumbley's work.  I found a lot of his words to have (at least) double meanings and many thoughts are hidden in shadow behind them.  It's almost as if there is the surface version, which I think most people read only what's written) and then the hidden version which takes a different set of eyes and ears to connect to.

[ruby]

... and then the hidden version which takes a different set of eyes and ears to connect to.

 

Hi :)

 

Your perspective is interesting (and true I gather).

 

I suppose I'll experiment with the sigil the book let me see, and see where that goes. That will hold my attention better than the rituals will, anyway-for right now. The sigil made its way into my psyche, and judging from where I feel it "imprinted" itself, that must have to do with how to use it-or what it does. So, I guess this initial work with the book will take me a bit, but if it's worth it, then that's ok. I guess I am making up my mind on what to do next, as I am typing this even..lol..Put the book down, and work with the sigil. Then when I know all about the sigil, I'll pick the book back up. Let the hidden book guide the written book.

[Michele]

I was hoping you'd offer some thoughts...lol. I get the "heaviness". The book keeps wanting me to pick it up. Did you find that in your experience? Also, and if you don't feel comfortable saying anything more about it, no worries! but I thought I'd ask anyway. A long awhile ago, you mentioned the book to me in another thread and mentioned you "felt something go inside of you". Did that happen right when you got that book? Did it stay there or did it go away eventually?

 

Also, it did not even cross my mind that this is considered luciferianism..lol...but, yeah, I guess it would be.

 

Regarding "head stuff", well, I can discuss, contemplate, and read just like the next person-but I'd rather be out there living it-I get where you are coming from. However, did you find that you grew a lot in your craft and figuring out your path from all of your years working with it? As in, was the time put in worth it, for you?

 

I don't remember if the book "wanted" to work with me, I do know I wanted to work with it, and actually spent a lot of time on a weekly - and often daily - basis working with it. Did rituals weekly, had discussions with others on it weekly, delved into ideas in it and studies things mentioned in it through other books as well. Even to the point of discussing Tubal Cain with some Masons and some of the Lilith myths with some Jewish people I knew who were well-versed in Jewish folklore. For me the sigils didn't do as much for me as just jumping in and doing the rituals and re-writing it in English, and looking up some of the folklore on Melik'Tus (no way can I remember how to spell that, lol) and Pursian folklore and craft. It was more spirit-related than land-related. Though again, the VU was very land-related. But I needed the land-connection emphasis. Then again, Lilitu was originally land-connected, so go figure lol.  

 

What went in me wasn't a living entity as in something possessed  me, it was a stream of energy that shot into me and knocked me out of my body. Only time I've ever been out of my body in a conscious, waking state, that I can remember lol. Not just in two places at once (like deep meditation), but actually out of my body and looking around and going "oh look - there's my body over there and I'm over here" lol. I can't say if the energy left... I assume it must have or I would have had a heart attack or something (at first I though I was having a heart attack due to the amount of electrical energy running through me when I shot out). But after that whenever I'd try to do my usual energy-run exercises, the place where it had hit was wide open and huge rather than the usual "rope" of energy. I have no idea if that was related to the book or not, it merely coincided with the book among other things I was also reading and working with.

 

I do find it very interesting that it has come up at this time as I don't believe in coincidences, lol.

 

M

[ruby]

I do find it very interesting that it has come up at this time as I don't believe in coincidences, lol.

 

M

 

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I just did some searches on "Melek Taus" (google corrected your spelling..lol) and found the Yazidi. They are celebrating their new year today (and the return of "God" to earth). Is that what you are referring to?

 

It is curious that wiki said they usually celebrate it on the first Wednesday of April, I googled the celebrations for this year to learn more, and it was today.

[ruby]

I don't remember if the book "wanted" to work with me, I do know I wanted to work with it, and actually spent a lot of time on a weekly - and often daily - basis working with it. Did rituals weekly, had discussions with others on it weekly, delved into ideas in it and studies things mentioned in it through other books as well. Even to the point of discussing Tubal Cain with some Masons and some of the Lilith myths with some Jewish people I knew who were well-versed in Jewish folklore. For me the sigils didn't do as much for me as just jumping in and doing the rituals and re-writing it in English, and looking up some of the folklore on Melik'Tus (no way can I remember how to spell that, lol) and Pursian folklore and craft. It was more spirit-related than land-related. Though again, the VU was very land-related. But I needed the land-connection emphasis. Then again, Lilitu was originally land-connected, so go figure lol.  

 

What went in me wasn't a living entity as in something possessed  me, it was a stream of energy that shot into me and knocked me out of my body. Only time I've ever been out of my body in a conscious, waking state, that I can remember lol. Not just in two places at once (like deep meditation), but actually out of my body and looking around and going "oh look - there's my body over there and I'm over here" lol. I can't say if the energy left... I assume it must have or I would have had a heart attack or something (at first I though I was having a heart attack due to the amount of electrical energy running through me when I shot out). But after that whenever I'd try to do my usual energy-run exercises, the place where it had hit was wide open and huge rather than the usual "rope" of energy. I have no idea if that was related to the book or not, it merely coincided with the book among other things I was also reading and working with.

 

I do find it very interesting that it has come up at this time as I don't believe in coincidences, lol.

 

M

 

I appreciate your openness about sharing some things about your experiences. I think your meditation experience is fascinating- as I felt "I split in two" once while meditating with my mala. It didn't happen the way yours did (much more subtle), but I felt like my head cracked open wide..lol..I actually had a bad migraine headache for a few days after that. When you explain your experience, it seems almost akin to a bolt of lightening striking you, or something dramatic like that.

 

I can see that you really dedicated yourself to the book and took a lot of time getting a deep understanding of the book. I don't have any more questions right now, because I don't even know what I would ask at this point..lol. But, would it be ok to ask you something down the road, if something comes up? Also, hey-if you feel like you want to keep sharing, I will read it all! I just don't know that I'd have much to contribute right now, myself..

 

Also, I don't have the VU, but it sounds interesting. I might want that book later, I don't know. I ordered the Dragon Book that will be coming out soon and between this and that, I think I will have my hands full for quite awhile.

[Michele]

You can ask me what you want, lol, and I will answer what I can remember. It's been a while since I worked with them. I just remember that it is very easy to get so lost in deciphering the books that one doesn't actually experience the book. One gets so lost in the intellectual process that it actually blocks the sensory process of feeling the book. Sometimes it worked to just read it and let the words wash over you, not understanding them, only feeling them. I think that as much as it is a book of information, it is also a book of illusions, perhaps on purpose... I don't know.

 

M

[ruby]

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I just did some searches on "Melek Taus" (google corrected your spelling..lol) and found the Yazidi. They are celebrating their new year today (and the return of "God" to earth). Is that what you are referring to?

 

It is curious that wiki said they usually celebrate it on the first Wednesday of April, I googled the celebrations for this year to learn more, and it was today.

 

 

Well, I couldn't find much more that that-so I can't verify, for sure what is what with all of that, the dates of the celebrations, and what they do...sooo

 

I don't know if this was right or wrong..or just a bit sideways..lol..but I felt like taking a moment to reflect on the concept of the peacock angel, after looking that up and wondering about it all. I happen to have peacock feathers from India, so I lit a few candles, burned some good frankincense and just meditated on the concept for a short bit. I decided to recite the peacock quill spell from the book, so now I have quills that are blessed in some way. I don't know exactly how I might use the quills, but I am not worried about that right now.

 

It was simple and subdued with no high ritual. I think it is all kind of strange..lol..but my life usually has a touch of weird to it, so whatever. I like peacock feathers anyway- they are supposed to protect me from my "kaal sarp" thing, so I keep them around me.

[ruby]

You can ask me what you want, lol, and I will answer what I can remember. It's been a while since I worked with them. I just remember that it is very easy to get so lost in deciphering the books that one doesn't actually experience the book. One gets so lost in the intellectual process that it actually blocks the sensory process of feeling the book. Sometimes it worked to just read it and let the words wash over you, not understanding them, only feeling them. I think that as much as it is a book of information, it is also a book of illusions, perhaps on purpose... I don't know.

 

M

 

 

"feeling the words" is good advice thank you, I'll remember that. I'm not interested in illusions, so I need to be wary of that. I think I will try to let my intuition guide me and not get too lost in the text (easier said than done, I'm sure..lol). But, again, I think I am going to put the book back down for now, and work with the sigil for a while. Thank you again for your words and help!!

 

(Ok, I have to get back to studying now...lol..I have an exam tomorrow and am nowhere near ready for it..)

[Michele]

Melek Tu'us - it is another name used by the Yezidis. They are not supposed to say "Shaitan" so they use other words, including Peacock Angel. Peacock feathers are eyes. Also a lot of it is tied to Sufism. Also look into biblical Enoch which gets into the Watchers, the fallen who decended to Earth and married into mankind (humans) and taught them the how to live- from healing to make-up to witchcraft, etc. And of course from their unions came a race of hybrids. There's more info in the back of Qutub.

 

The books and the tradition are deeply tied up with Lilith and Cain, Watcher lore of the Fallen Angels, etc. So anything on that from biblical texts, Dead Sea Scrolls, Zohar, etc. Lucifer as earlier avatar of Christ.. the "Illuminator" etc.