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what role dose your own inner darkness play? Do you use the side of you that you may not like? Do you use shame, anger, frustration to forward you spell craft? How much of a role does it play in your path?

 

Do you see a place for darkness in the greater scheme of things? Do you adhere to a darkness myth? Would you have trouble hexing or binding someone, place or thing?

 

Just curious,

 

RC:D

 

Well.... my inner darkness - I dont really see it as the side of myself that I do not like as I see shame, anger and frustration as part of my natural 'primitive' self (I say primitive as in todays mainstream society we seem to be trying to erradicate and not acknowledge that side of ourselves as we are 'civilized' beings). I understand I am only human and to have such emotions at times.

To forward my spells I just draw on my inner 'power/energy' or natures 'power/energy' and build it up to its purpose Im using it for.

Like how energy was referred to as raw energy in previous posts, I see it as that... but I also see that for lighter energy aswell, its just neautral for me and what I transform it to and what its intention to.

 

As for the greater scheme of things I believe the darker side of ourselves and magic is needed... as is the lighter side. Balance is needed to sustain life.

 

Hmmm as for a darkness myth - throw some at me and Ill tell... coz I cant really think of any specific ones at the moment :/

 

As for binding and hexing I have no qualms about it... I have done them before but its not like I go on an hexing massacre lol. I only do them when I feel they are needed.

 

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Hi Kree,

 

Thanks for the answers you gave. If you look at the arrow head spell I posted you see how I use 'my inner darkness' to forward workings.

 

I agree that in these so called civilised times we are taught to dislike negative qualities within ourselves. To me this is yet again another example of what westernised society and monotheism has done for us.

 

I think to be a well balanced person you must at least be comfortable with the less desirable aspects of your self. I also think that this negativity can be a great driving force to push us forward in our lives. Personally I found this less likable side of me to be an ideal mechanism to get me through nurse training, and then go onto be a Critical Care nurse.

 

With regard to how light and darkness interact on a metaphysical and cosmic level I'm still forming an opinion. Yes light and dark are related, but I'm not sure that I would say they are opposite sides of the same coin. I suppose that darkness is the absents of light and vice versa, but I think that they are much more entwined than that. I can't really say anything more really.

 

I like the energy theory. That everything in the universe is intertwined yet individual. That to alter one thing sends a ripple through all the others. Seems very plausible, more in line with quantum physics than anything.

 

Darkness myths are abound, but I think AnjelWolf pointed out the basic concept earlier in this thread. Basically the concept is of a great null/void rather than a darkness which birthed light, life and everything, and one day ever thing will return to it. This darkness is not portrayed as a destroyer of life but more a bringer of life.

 

Regards

 

RC

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Ok, I have no access to a coven, I have no one to teach me traditional witchcraft. I've been dabbling in occultism for about 17 years, from this I moved onto neo-paganism about 7 or 8 years ago..... its hard to remember with these bloody headaches.

 

I desided that ritualist magic wasn't for me. Magic without morality or a spiritual aspect is as bad as commercialism. So that's how I got into neo-paganism after a break from the whole magic thing.

 

After a while looking at and considering verious neo-pagan faiths, I decided that none of it was for me. Despite this I have been offered places in various covens, circles etc but I've turned all down ask they just weren't right.

 

I then stumbled upon traditional witchcraft. From my experience it is definately for me, but unfortunately it is also one of the most guarded and secretive forms of paganism out there. It feels like if you happen on someone who is a trad witch, if you as to be taught the answer is no, and if you don't ask your not interested.

 

This has lead me to sites like this. It allows people like me to express ideas, have them batted about so that there are numerous points of view. From this people like me can gain an insight into trad craft. Granted its only a very small window were looking through but combined with pro-active work I feel a form of witchcraft can be formed.

 

As you can tell I think a lot about witchcraft and its related fields in a hope of gaining an insight into the core fundamental practices which most trads have. Granted people from different trads do things differently. But, and its a big but, we're talking about basic level principles for working with universal energies, so my theory is that there must be some shared principles. If I can find these principles I can apply them to a form of witchcraft which holds true to the core tennants of traditional witchcraft whilst being functional and true to me.

 

Unfortunately I don't have a mentor, much as I would love one this is my lot, so I'll just get on with it. Explore through forums like this and ask for help or advice when needed. This is why forums like this are so important. To allow people like me a way of exploring this hunger which is like fire in my blood. Its what I am, its just a little more difficult this way.

 

I hope that helps,

 

RavensClaw

I am coming into this topic rather late from its original posting. However I seem to have similar thoughts as RC. As I dont have anyone to learn from, and that I am using these forms to learn from as well.

 

I, as a begginer, feel that there is a definate use for both types of energies. As I have posted in other threads it was the darker side of things that has pulled my interests to the magic world. But I want to learn of both light and dark energies so I can use both accordingly. I really cant add to much to this thread because as I said I am a newbie to the craft and not altogether sure what the hell I am talking about. I can only express my thoughts and feelings as they come across to me. Kind of like free writing, or typing if you will, LOL.

 

I really enjoyed Sandy's idea of using a battery as a symbol for both neg and pos energies. I thoguht that was an excellent way to get that point across. With my background in electronics I know that it most undoubtably does take both energies to make a circuit complete and flow as intended. Therefore as a we humans live and function it is most certain( at least to me ) that we need both neg and pos energies to operate as functioning machines.

 

Of course I may be way off line from this original topic so bare with me lol.

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Well this was a fascinating thread (and long as hell to read!).

 

I think the matter of light and dark and energy in general is heavily dependant on the individual in question. I don't generally see energy as definitively light or dark (though with everything, I've found exceptoins to this) but how it's drawn upon and manipulated...interpreted, if you will. Example, me and my 'sister,' very close to me and fellow practitioner though she leans more towards Wicca-esque trends.

 

She will draw on Light energies she finds, or manipulate energy so it's Light within her for her purposes. I still have problems even identifying Light energies, much less working with it! I'm much more inclined to manipulate lingering Dark energies or turn 'neutral' energy to Darkness just for me to work comfortably. Then again, my particular path is pretty messy and obscure.*

 

As for cities, war, pollution, crime, etc. for drawing on, I think that's situational and dependant again on the particular Witch in question. Just as evidenced here, KW can work in a city and even thrive on the energies there! Anjel, not so much, right? For me personally, it invokes far too many visitors, noises and distractions in my heart and mind to be able to focus properly for whatever Witchy thing I'm up to at the time. What I find doable in that case since I live right outside Baltimore (sinister place to drive let me assure you!) is I have what I've dubbed my Cacoon Ritual. It just allows me to create my own tiny safe haven to work in and draw upon what natural energies are available....the grass and earth plots and trees and night sky and moonlight and whatever is within myself. Cities are human, but they also aren't inherently bad or evil...just crowded and noisy. Pollution may be the same way, but I've never tried that and I have a feeling that drawing upon energies borne in toxins and waste would not have a happy effect on you, physically or any other -ly.

 

The crime and war musings really drew my attention, especially after my oh-so-recent stints in Iraq. That is quite possibly the worst idea ever, to draw upon human suffering and massacre. Murder, anger, death, rape, hate, sorrow...to draw upon it within yourself or even someone else (if you're trying to help them, which I have been known to do on occasion) is one thing. But a war is an entirely different beast and one that I can't even describe aptly. I never tried to summon, connect, touch, call, etc anything while I was there, be it energy, spirit or the man on the moon. Frankly, I was too scared to.*

 

My bottom line, I guess is, stick to what is conceivably natural or what won't bite you in the arse later.

 

*For my astericks...inspiration for me to blog/ramble on later to which I'll happily allow y'all to be privy to. Stay tuned if you're that interested, I suppose. :patsch:

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A lot of this boils down to what your personal perception of dark and light energy is! Obviously by all the posts it varies greatly....

 

I don't see anger, shame etc as being part of our darker side, they are just facets of our emotional being, we all have them....depending on our emotional wellbeing some are more prevalent than others, at different times.

 

Energy is just that...I don't feel it's light or dark, its the intent that controls, not the energy itself.

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Darkness is th envelope of light. It is the end of one phase of existance to another. It is the hull of the seed which causes rebirth. It can be used to banish or to mutate into the dawning plane of introspect, where light is peeping through the blackness of that plane.

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Not sure I would classify things as light and dark. I think I understand what you're alluding to and will try to answer your question. Part of my training involved looking at myself and accepting I those part of my personality and ego that most religions/traditions ask you to suppress. Death, destruction, fighting, hunting, cunning, deceite, and a sense of hierarchy within groups are all a part of nature and they are all things I have found within myself and have come to accept.

 

Now, most people will tell you to "do unto others as you would have done unto you". Well, I'm sorry, but this is not natural and we are the only animals that think this is right and proper behaviour for our species. I follow natural laws as much as I can and I am out to survive and ensure my nearest and dearest are protected and well looked after by whatever means possible. That is what some might consider a "dark" side. I don't consider it so anymore - its just one part of the whole that is me.

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I would like to address "The Darkness Within".....Having been a "Good" boy for the past couple of decades, the temptation was too great for me anymore and I took the plunge into being a TW....Not that it WAS "Darkness", but as opossed to the "light" that the church "brought ". The ideas of being "good" and "bad" being from a nominal judean/christian point of veiw, I revel in what I am now, as it is very much aligned/diametaricaly opposed to Catholosism. There were many things I was taught as a child there that were considered "good" by the church, and many things that were taught as "bad" by self-said church, that were diametericaly opposed to the chatechism.

I was VERY confused by all this, until I decided that I must just let go and be myself, church be damned for teaching me either right or wrong.....As it turned out, they taught me both; I just had wished I had realized that the witchcraft part I had realized MUCH sooner than now.

I don't mean for this to sound too confusing; I apologize....But the "C"hurch had taught us so many ambigious things that being a " good" catholic meant either being being a saint in rome or a zombie in haitai.

Thank you for letting me vent, my brothers and sisters.

Greg.

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I believe that to truly understand yourself and your craft you have to accept the darkness as it's part of life and part of the light. To quote Albert Einstein - every action has an equal and opposite reaction - and i believe that is what the darkness is, to every bit of love and kindness, there is a bit of hate and cruelty, to life there is death, night to day - of course there are varying shades of grey in between but i think to gain a better perceptive of all things around you including the craft, you need to accept and learn about the darkness inside everything.

 

I still have some trouble with this as in, i understand that people do die and some people have reached the end and do need to die to create more life but it still hurts in the way they go or how early they go. I don't see the lesson in taking a baby or child away and perhaps until i learn to accept this i won't fully understand or accept my darkness

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My teacher said something really cool about embracing your darkness:

"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest side, disposing only of what is obsolete or impractical. It's all about giving yourself permission." --Jack Darkhand

 

Also, one of my favorite Nietzsche quotes:

Be careful when you cast out your demons that you don't throw away the best thing in you.

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wow, what a great topic which has bounced to the top!!

 

I was taught to embrace the dark in my first coven, it was one of the first things we were asked to do. We all went out into the new forest at night to the working space they used, and we were each asked to pick the darkest spot we could see in between the trees and bushes etc. Then we were told to go off and explore the forest in that direction, on our own.

 

That was quite an ask, especially as some of us were from the town and hadn’t even been in a forest at night before. And those forests really are pitch black at night! But some of us went off into the dark, some didn’t. The ones who did it were accepted into the coven, the ones who refused were not.

 

Of course it was all a psychological test; were we able to accept and explore the dark side of the Craft? If not, then you weren’t really cut for it in anyway. In my opinion, the Craft isn’t for everyone, you have to have guts, and also the ability to see through the darkness to what it really is, part of you. Needless to say I did complete the challenge, lol, and even met a dark spirit in the spot I had chosen. I was never fearful of the dark side of the Craft (or nature) after that night!!

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WOW brilliant topic and loved reading all the posts. I am not often very good at putting things into words so sorry if I ramble . From a very tender age I embraced dark energy infact I can not remember a time when it has not been with me, I am not just talking about the energy within but surrounding me as well I always see a darkside to everything so much so my mother got me a therapist when I was a teenager:rofl:this often made me feel an outsider and different.

 

Once again Witchcraft has been with me since I can remember which freaked my catholic mother when I was younger (she accepts this now, sort of). I had no where to turn at that age no internet etc so it was just left festering lying low within me. Years later I felt the energy burning in me to explode so I found Wicca like many at first I thought it was the only path out there, it was not what I expected I could not connect with a God at all and tried hard to concentrate on connecting just with a Goddess, I was told either connect with both or I will not be balanced! I could not connect with the religion aspect at all, what made me off balance was the feeling of all this light energy and not being allowed to tap into the darkness, I made a pretty awful Wiccan and eventually realised that it wasn't for me as I was drawn into another direction Trad Craft where I feel I am meant to be. Thats why I find Wiccans unbalanced! they are looking into the light too much and doing nothing with their darkness. And, they had the nerve to say I would be unbalanced!!!

 

People even my family tell me that they always know when not to approach me as I give off an 'dark energy' that keeps people away from me, my mother even told me once whilist we were out 'you'll never find a man if no one in a room wants to approach you' PMSL

 

Now I feel I understand energy better my thought on it is all energy is the same in raw form it is how you percieve, harness and manipulate it that makes it light or dark, in order to have a healthy balanced life you must experience both, I would consider any person a liar if they do not admit to having darkness within.

 

I like the saying; A witch that can not hex, can not heal.

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But some of us went off into the dark, some didn?t. The ones who did it were accepted into the coven, the ones who refused were not.

 

Of course it was all a psychological test; were we able to accept and explore the dark side of the Craft? If not, then you weren?t really cut for it in anyway. In my opinion, the Craft isn?t for everyone, you have to have guts, and also the ability to see through the darkness to what it really is, part of you. Needless to say I did complete the challenge, lol, and even met a dark spirit in the spot I had chosen. I was never fearful of the dark side of the Craft (or nature) after that night!!

Ooh nasty!

Im afraid of the dark so would not have made it into the coven.

I am certainly not afraid of the dark side of witchcraft and never had to accept it, as it was, for me part of the deal.

But put me even '6.30 in the morning dark' and Im afraid. It certainly has nothing to do with my abilities in witchcraft.

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I am so glad this thread has been brought back to life! I plan on studying this info more closely over the next couple of days and will post my feedback later.

 

Thanks for bringing this up! :)

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very true ... he was a bit hardcore ... !! And you're right, I dont think 'being afraid of the dark' has anything to do with your ability in witchcraft or not. It wouldnt be something I'd make someone do! I suppose it is an example of how people see the dark, and what it means, in different ways, i suppose ... xx

 

Ooh nasty!

Im afraid of the dark so would not have made it into the coven.

I am certainly not afraid of the dark side of witchcraft and never had to accept it, as it was, for me part of the deal.

But put me even '6.30 in the morning dark' and Im afraid. It certainly has nothing to do with my abilities in witchcraft.

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As a lover of Halloween, monsters, monster movies, and stuff like that, I've always had a connection with the dark side. I watched a scary zombie movie with my son the other week, after which I walked down into the dark basement alone with a flashlight, just to feel - but control - the irrational fear. My son was freaking out from atop the stairs, lol, but I was fine. I often feel compelled to confront the dark - the fear, and overcome it, and get in touch with the darkside - depending on the circumstances. I don't do stupid stuff though like walk down a dark alley and seek out gang members to start shit with - that'd just get me beat or killed.

 

You can't run from it, and you can't hide. And it doesn't do to fear it and let it command you. You have to confront it, even embrace it, in some ways. When I was little kid, still having the occasional nightmare, I hoped that I'd actually befriend the monsters in my dreams, rather than try to not have nightmares at all. I figured they wouldn't just stop. (Actually one night they did - long story)

But dark and light both are what create reality, and to deny one (or the other!) is to be imbalanced.

The only aspect of darkness I won't touch is hurting other people for sheer entertainment or joy - that's sick. That kind of darkness can consume and destroy you, because that's letting it run amuck , controlling you, and besides, I believe in the Golden Rule.

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... I suppose it depends if you think that darkness (i.e. nightime) has any relation to the dark side of the craft. Im not so sure that it does. The same way that black isnt necessarily associated with evil. (not to say that the dark side is evil, just an example!) For instance in the occult, black is seen as a sign of the feminine, the passive, the fertile. Not a negative thing...

 

Its interesting ... like in Egyptian culture, the 'black land' was what they called the parts of egypt that were fertile, where they could live and farm on, a happy colour. The colour they associated with evil was red (colour of set, and dry sand!)

 

Question is then, why is black (and night time darkness) associated with evil and "the dark side"? (cue darth vader music). I suppose the nature of the colour black, and the veil of darkness, perhaps holds mysteries, and things unknown. Yet that doesnt make them 'the dark side'. Does this even make sense, or am I rambling?!

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... I suppose it depends if you think that darkness (i.e. nightime) has any relation to the dark side of the craft. Im not so sure that it does. The same way that black isnt necessarily associated with evil. (not to say that the dark side is evil, just an example!) For instance in the occult, black is seen as a sign of the feminine, the passive, the fertile. Not a negative thing...

 

Its interesting ... like in Egyptian culture, the 'black land' was what they called the parts of egypt that were fertile, where they could live and farm on, a happy colour. The colour they associated with evil was red (colour of set, and dry sand!)

 

Question is then, why is black (and night time darkness) associated with evil and "the dark side"? (cue darth vader music). I suppose the nature of the colour black, and the veil of darkness, perhaps holds mysteries, and things unknown. Yet that doesnt make them 'the dark side'. Does this even make sense, or am I rambling?!

:Spider-1:

 

I have been giving this subject much thought today. I will share my conclusions thus far.

 

First of all, to answer your question, I think black/night time is associated with evil because of our culture. Such as how evil is portrayed in movies/tv, being told "the booger man is waiting outside to get you", "don't go in there, it is dark", being told to "turn the light on" when you are a child in a dark bedroom at night, and superstitions. This is only my opinion.

 

Black is one of my very favorite colors and I also see no reason why black should be negative. Of course black is also the main theme for funerals (where I come from), therefore it is associated with death, the grim reaper.

 

I am not afraid of the dark. I do prefer to see where I am going though so I don't fall...lol. But I do not "fear" it. I don't fear a lot of things that I use to since I found the truth behind a lot of things.

 

Reading Sandy's example of using the light/dark in healing with cancer REALLY opened my eyes. I had never thought of it in that way. And to tell you the truth, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than the new age crap about love and light to me.

 

I can see where energy could be described as light/dark. I believe we all have a light/dark side. Dark not necessarily being evil, just different. Just like our light side is not necessarily all about love.

 

IMHO...When working with energy, it does not have emotions. Our emotions carry the intent when we are working with energy. I can see where some of the best spells could be cast when a person is pissed off or mad. I know that has worked for me. I normally let by gones be by gones, but piss me off and it is like another side of me goes into action....perhaps the "dark side"?????? :thatsit: bwwwaaahhhh!

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I would like to address "The Darkness Within".....Having been a "Good" boy for the past couple of decades, the temptation was too great for me anymore and I took the plunge into being a TW....Not that it WAS "Darkness", but as opossed to the "light" that the church "brought ". The ideas of being "good" and "bad" being from a nominal judean/christian point of veiw, I revel in what I am now, as it is very much aligned/diametaricaly opposed to Catholosism. There were many things I was taught as a child there that were considered "good" by the church, and many things that were taught as "bad" by self-said church, that were diametericaly opposed to the chatechism.

I was VERY confused by all this, until I decided that I must just let go and be myself, church be damned for teaching me either right or wrong.....As it turned out, they taught me both; I just had wished I had realized that the witchcraft part I had realized MUCH sooner than now.

I don't mean for this to sound too confusing; I apologize....But the "C"hurch had taught us so many ambigious things that being a " good" catholic meant either being being a saint in rome or a zombie in haitai.

Thank you for letting me vent, my brothers and sisters.

Greg.

I can so relate to what you say here. It is not confusing to me. I did the very same thing when I got fed up. You know, I probably bash the churches too much, but it is because of my long history with them and me finding out the truth. But to be fair, there is good and bad in all things.

 

For awhile there, I too wished I had realized the truth sooner (sometimes still do) But, in reality, it did not happen that way. No sense wasting my energy on that.... when I can be doing things more constructively.:stirring:

 

I don't regret my experiences because it brought me to where I am today...very proud to recognize I am a trad witch. I embrace both the light and dark side of me, it is who/what I am. :)

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I'm just a gert jessie :bolt:

 

Ok, what is a "gert jessie"?:)

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The only aspect of darkness I won't touch is hurting other people for sheer entertainment or joy - that's sick. That kind of darkness can consume and destroy you, because that's letting it run amuck , controlling you, and besides, I believe in the Golden Rule.

 

I could not agree more!!! But, my jury is still out on the golden rule...

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As a lover of Halloween, monsters, monster movies, and stuff like that, I've always had a connection with the dark side. I watched a scary zombie movie with my son the other week, after which I walked down into the dark basement alone with a flashlight, just to feel - but control - the irrational fear. My son was freaking out from atop the stairs, lol, but I was fine. I often feel compelled to confront the dark - the fear, and overcome it, and get in touch with the darkside - depending on the circumstances. I don't do stupid stuff though like walk down a dark alley and seek out gang members to start shit with - that'd just get me beat or killed.

 

You can't run from it, and you can't hide. And it doesn't do to fear it and let it command you. You have to confront it, even embrace it, in some ways. When I was little kid, still having the occasional nightmare, I hoped that I'd actually befriend the monsters in my dreams, rather than try to not have nightmares at all. I figured they wouldn't just stop. (Actually one night they did - long story)

But dark and light both are what create reality, and to deny one (or the other!) is to be imbalanced.

The only aspect of darkness I won't touch is hurting other people for sheer entertainment or joy - that's sick. That kind of darkness can consume and destroy you, because that's letting it run amuck , controlling you, and besides, I believe in the Golden Rule.

 

VERY GOOD!!!

I can see this exactly, as when I was growing up and what I was so afraid of....I have found that not only can I accept it without fear anymore, but most of it I can embrace and some of it I can actually love a little. There are things that still make me wince and feel bad about when something happens to others, but I have found that when a "creepy-crawly" shows up in MY life, I tend to observe rather than run away screaming! There is so much to be learned, and "Light ain't ALWAYS right" would seem to be the order of the day when it comes to having one's mind sealed off from TOTAL understanding.

(Wow....Do I sound like a Scorpio or what?:naughty:)

Thank you for your time!

Greg.

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Not sure I would classify things as light and dark. I think I understand what you're alluding to and will try to answer your question. Part of my training involved looking at myself and accepting I those part of my personality and ego that most religions/traditions ask you to suppress. Death, destruction, fighting, hunting, cunning, deceite, and a sense of hierarchy within groups are all a part of nature and they are all things I have found within myself and have come to accept.

 

Now, most people will tell you to "do unto others as you would have done unto you". Well, I'm sorry, but this is not natural and we are the only animals that think this is right and proper behaviour for our species. I follow natural laws as much as I can and I am out to survive and ensure my nearest and dearest are protected and well looked after by whatever means possible. That is what some might consider a "dark" side. I don't consider it so anymore - its just one part of the whole that is me.

 

I have never considered what you say about the golden rule not being "natural". I must say this intrigues me and I will chew on this cud for a bit! Thanks!

 

Just because we are told "how" we should believe in something does not always make it right. So many are led like sheep and don't even think about using their own minds...so sad. I say there are always other options to consider and that played a huge part in my believing as I do now. :)

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Of course black is also the main theme for funerals, therefore it is associated with death, the grim reaper.

 

Minor correction, here. Black is associated with funerals in western cultures. White is worn at Japanese (and possibly other Asian cultures)funerals.

 

Its interesting ... like in Egyptian culture, the 'black land' was what they called the parts of egypt that were fertile, where they could live and farm on, a happy colour.

 

Black soil is usually VERY fertile. I'm dealing with red clay soil and very much miss the black soil of Minnesota. I can see where the Egyptians were coming from.

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