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#41 AnjelWolf

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Posted 01 July 2007 - 08:22 PM


I agree, its through discussions (not arguements) like these, that people like me with no coven or teachers able to learn from, have an opportunity to learn a form of witchcraft, that although not purely traditional, is a very functional and legitimate form of the craft.

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Hhmmm.....can you elaborate on this???? You got my curiosity up :)

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 03:48 AM

RC , PM me your address , I've got something which should help with the headaches.
Even outside of witchcraft discussion is how ideas meet , breed and evolve . Nobody forms a well thought out view in a vacum !!!Personally I think practicsing in a town of 1600+ isn't too much of a problem as long as you have a strong idea of your personal space . If you're happy with one room , a pot plant and a shut door how different is that from a roundhouse with a hearth and heath ? I think some people need more rural settings because they are more sensitive to outside influence .
Its funny really because I work in an old psychiatric building and people often say there are ghosts....well all I can say is I frequently go round in the pitch black to lock up and either the ghosts are scared of me or I have the empathy of a brick ......I know which one I think is right

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 12:33 PM

Hhmmm.....can you elaborate on this???? You got my curiosity up :)


Ok, I have no access to a coven, I have no one to teach me traditional witchcraft. I've been dabbling in occultism for about 17 years, from this I moved onto neo-paganism about 7 or 8 years ago..... its hard to remember with these bloody headaches.

I desided that ritualist magic wasn't for me. Magic without morality or a spiritual aspect is as bad as commercialism. So that's how I got into neo-paganism after a break from the whole magic thing.

After a while looking at and considering verious neo-pagan faiths, I decided that none of it was for me. Despite this I have been offered places in various covens, circles etc but I've turned all down ask they just weren't right.

I then stumbled upon traditional witchcraft. From my experience it is definately for me, but unfortunately it is also one of the most guarded and secretive forms of paganism out there. It feels like if you happen on someone who is a trad witch, if you as to be taught the answer is no, and if you don't ask your not interested.

This has lead me to sites like this. It allows people like me to express ideas, have them batted about so that there are numerous points of view. From this people like me can gain an insight into trad craft. Granted its only a very small window were looking through but combined with pro-active work I feel a form of witchcraft can be formed.

As you can tell I think a lot about witchcraft and its related fields in a hope of gaining an insight into the core fundamental practices which most trads have. Granted people from different trads do things differently. But, and its a big but, we're talking about basic level principles for working with universal energies, so my theory is that there must be some shared principles. If I can find these principles I can apply them to a form of witchcraft which holds true to the core tennants of traditional witchcraft whilst being functional and true to me.

Unfortunately I don't have a mentor, much as I would love one this is my lot, so I'll just get on with it. Explore through forums like this and ask for help or advice when needed. This is why forums like this are so important. To allow people like me a way of exploring this hunger which is like fire in my blood. Its what I am, its just a little more difficult this way.

I hope that helps,

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 02:17 PM

Ok, I have no access to a coven, I have no one to teach me traditional witchcraft. I've been dabbling in occultism for about 17 years, from this I moved onto neo-paganism about 7 or 8 years ago..... its hard to remember with these bloody headaches.

I desided that ritualist magic wasn't for me. Magic without morality or a spiritual aspect is as bad as commercialism. So that's how I got into neo-paganism after a break from the whole magic thing.

After a while looking at and considering verious neo-pagan faiths, I decided that none of it was for me. Despite this I have been offered places in various covens, circles etc but I've turned all down ask they just weren't right.

I then stumbled upon traditional witchcraft. From my experience it is definately for me, but unfortunately it is also one of the most guarded and secretive forms of paganism out there. It feels like if you happen on someone who is a trad witch, if you as to be taught the answer is no, and if you don't ask your not interested.

This has lead me to sites like this. It allows people like me to express ideas, have them batted about so that there are numerous points of view. From this people like me can gain an insight into trad craft. Granted its only a very small window were looking through but combined with pro-active work I feel a form of witchcraft can be formed.

As you can tell I think a lot about witchcraft and its related fields in a hope of gaining an insight into the core fundamental practices which most trads have. Granted people from different trads do things differently. But, and its a big but, we're talking about basic level principles for working with universal energies, so my theory is that there must be some shared principles. If I can find these principles I can apply them to a form of witchcraft which holds true to the core tennants of traditional witchcraft whilst being functional and true to me.

Unfortunately I don't have a mentor, much as I would love one this is my lot, so I'll just get on with it. Explore through forums like this and ask for help or advice when needed. This is why forums like this are so important. To allow people like me a way of exploring this hunger which is like fire in my blood. Its what I am, its just a little more difficult this way.

I hope that helps,

RavensClaw



RC...I fully relate to this...I dont have a coven either. Many out here are Wiccan and well that isnt my cup of tea either so I do it alone (or with my family). Stay with this site...it wont let you down :)

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#45 RavensClaw

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 02:37 PM

Cheers AnjelWolf, the support is appreciated.

It is kinda hard trying to figure it all out on your own. What gets me is that I'm sure there are Trad witches in my locality, but they may as well be a million miles away.

Anyway, if I'm meant to be tutored by a mentor it will happen of its own accord.

RC:p

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 03:20 PM

Yeah like I said just stick with this forum...we have qhite a few brilliant people on here with a damn good amount of common sense.
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Posted 02 July 2007 - 06:33 PM

For a long time I waited for someone to come along and teach me all the things I wanted to know about... but no one ever came. Eventually I realized no one would give me the answers (at least, no one who I wanted answers from), so I'd have to get off my keister and go figure it out for myself.

Few people get a mentor. The rest of us have to be a little more creative.

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 06:58 PM

PMSL yeh I know that feeling, the Fates have other plans :P

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 12:50 PM

WOW fantastic thread!hell if I wanted to reply to everything I wanted to in regards to so many posts Id be here for ages - so Im just gonna stick with the latest comments on mentors/covens to learn.

Ive personally found that learning by ones self is the most productive - finding out what worked for you and not for others. Dont get me wrong as I enjoy discussing different techniques and experiences of the craft with people as if does create ideas for ourselves to try and broadens our scope of opinions and knowledge.
All my life Ive been 'at home' with witchcraft/magic... it is when I look back now to my real young years that I see I was a little witchling and it all involved my gut instincts, what felt right and what worked/didnt work.

Then I grew into my teens *:ohshit:*... from there I started to hear from our little goth group about witchcraft and pacts with the devils and contacts in blood :rofl:... so obviously curiosity got the better of me and being the little researcher I started to look up on it on the net and the library.
There I learn about wicca and all the greatness and light and creeds and rede's and codes and 3 fold laws :P
Thats when I got so bloody confused!! most of what I read contradicted how I felt and what I knew inside (be it right or wrong but was my 'gut instinct' at the time).
So as some of my teen years went by I tried to be the good little wiccan and talk to other older wiccans who tried to tell me how to do things and it just wasnt working on so many levels :?
At the end of the day I essentially was looking everywhere for the answers and being told via ppl or books vague (sp) conclusions to queries when instead Ive realised when I was young I got it right all along... I was going with what felt right and inadvertantly being my own lil witch :P
I found that observing nature around me and not trying to figure out my answers all in a frenzy of NOW "because I think I wont do it right or it wont work if the colour isnt right and if I happen to think wrong during this ritual/spell/hallabaloo", and just going 'fuck it!' and trying it out while learning on the way is best.
So If I were given a chance of a mentor now Id probably say 'come back in 10 years and we will see what we can learn off eachother'... my journey is my journey - not for someone else to give me ^^

Ill admit Im as lost as hell at the moment...I have no idea what my path is but this is my little state of 'ermmmm, where did I put that spiritual road map? :shock:' but Im enjoying it and it also lead me to this interesting forum by accident :)

So yeah - there is my ramble ^^ lol

(you can tell I had fun with the smilies haha)

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 01:02 PM

PMSL yes I can see that you had fun with the smilies :D

Ok you've clearly decided how to take your path forward, but what role dose your own inner darkness play? Do you use the side of you that you may not like? Do you use shame, anger, frustration to forward you spell craft? How much of a role does it play in your path?

Do you see a place for darkness in the greater scheme of things? Do you adhere to a darkness myth? Would you have trouble hexing or binding someone, place or thing?

Just curious,

RC:D

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 01:34 PM

what role dose your own inner darkness play? Do you use the side of you that you may not like? Do you use shame, anger, frustration to forward you spell craft? How much of a role does it play in your path?

Do you see a place for darkness in the greater scheme of things? Do you adhere to a darkness myth? Would you have trouble hexing or binding someone, place or thing?

Just curious,

RC:D


Well.... my inner darkness - I dont really see it as the side of myself that I do not like as I see shame, anger and frustration as part of my natural 'primitive' self (I say primitive as in todays mainstream society we seem to be trying to erradicate and not acknowledge that side of ourselves as we are 'civilized' beings). I understand I am only human and to have such emotions at times.
To forward my spells I just draw on my inner 'power/energy' or natures 'power/energy' and build it up to its purpose Im using it for.
Like how energy was referred to as raw energy in previous posts, I see it as that... but I also see that for lighter energy aswell, its just neautral for me and what I transform it to and what its intention to.

As for the greater scheme of things I believe the darker side of ourselves and magic is needed... as is the lighter side. Balance is needed to sustain life.

Hmmm as for a darkness myth - throw some at me and Ill tell... coz I cant really think of any specific ones at the moment :/

As for binding and hexing I have no qualms about it... I have done them before but its not like I go on an hexing massacre lol. I only do them when I feel they are needed.

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#52 RavensClaw

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:24 AM

Hi Kree,

Thanks for the answers you gave. If you look at the arrow head spell I posted you see how I use 'my inner darkness' to forward workings.

I agree that in these so called civilised times we are taught to dislike negative qualities within ourselves. To me this is yet again another example of what westernised society and monotheism has done for us.

I think to be a well balanced person you must at least be comfortable with the less desirable aspects of your self. I also think that this negativity can be a great driving force to push us forward in our lives. Personally I found this less likable side of me to be an ideal mechanism to get me through nurse training, and then go onto be a Critical Care nurse.

With regard to how light and darkness interact on a metaphysical and cosmic level I'm still forming an opinion. Yes light and dark are related, but I'm not sure that I would say they are opposite sides of the same coin. I suppose that darkness is the absents of light and vice versa, but I think that they are much more entwined than that. I can't really say anything more really.

I like the energy theory. That everything in the universe is intertwined yet individual. That to alter one thing sends a ripple through all the others. Seems very plausible, more in line with quantum physics than anything.

Darkness myths are abound, but I think AnjelWolf pointed out the basic concept earlier in this thread. Basically the concept is of a great null/void rather than a darkness which birthed light, life and everything, and one day ever thing will return to it. This darkness is not portrayed as a destroyer of life but more a bringer of life.

Regards

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 06:30 PM

Ok, I have no access to a coven, I have no one to teach me traditional witchcraft. I've been dabbling in occultism for about 17 years, from this I moved onto neo-paganism about 7 or 8 years ago..... its hard to remember with these bloody headaches.

I desided that ritualist magic wasn't for me. Magic without morality or a spiritual aspect is as bad as commercialism. So that's how I got into neo-paganism after a break from the whole magic thing.

After a while looking at and considering verious neo-pagan faiths, I decided that none of it was for me. Despite this I have been offered places in various covens, circles etc but I've turned all down ask they just weren't right.

I then stumbled upon traditional witchcraft. From my experience it is definately for me, but unfortunately it is also one of the most guarded and secretive forms of paganism out there. It feels like if you happen on someone who is a trad witch, if you as to be taught the answer is no, and if you don't ask your not interested.

This has lead me to sites like this. It allows people like me to express ideas, have them batted about so that there are numerous points of view. From this people like me can gain an insight into trad craft. Granted its only a very small window were looking through but combined with pro-active work I feel a form of witchcraft can be formed.

As you can tell I think a lot about witchcraft and its related fields in a hope of gaining an insight into the core fundamental practices which most trads have. Granted people from different trads do things differently. But, and its a big but, we're talking about basic level principles for working with universal energies, so my theory is that there must be some shared principles. If I can find these principles I can apply them to a form of witchcraft which holds true to the core tennants of traditional witchcraft whilst being functional and true to me.

Unfortunately I don't have a mentor, much as I would love one this is my lot, so I'll just get on with it. Explore through forums like this and ask for help or advice when needed. This is why forums like this are so important. To allow people like me a way of exploring this hunger which is like fire in my blood. Its what I am, its just a little more difficult this way.

I hope that helps,

RavensClaw

I am coming into this topic rather late from its original posting. However I seem to have similar thoughts as RC. As I dont have anyone to learn from, and that I am using these forms to learn from as well.

I, as a begginer, feel that there is a definate use for both types of energies. As I have posted in other threads it was the darker side of things that has pulled my interests to the magic world. But I want to learn of both light and dark energies so I can use both accordingly. I really cant add to much to this thread because as I said I am a newbie to the craft and not altogether sure what the hell I am talking about. I can only express my thoughts and feelings as they come across to me. Kind of like free writing, or typing if you will, LOL.

I really enjoyed Sandy's idea of using a battery as a symbol for both neg and pos energies. I thoguht that was an excellent way to get that point across. With my background in electronics I know that it most undoubtably does take both energies to make a circuit complete and flow as intended. Therefore as a we humans live and function it is most certain( at least to me ) that we need both neg and pos energies to operate as functioning machines.

Of course I may be way off line from this original topic so bare with me lol.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 07:44 PM

Well this was a fascinating thread (and long as hell to read!).

I think the matter of light and dark and energy in general is heavily dependant on the individual in question. I don't generally see energy as definitively light or dark (though with everything, I've found exceptoins to this) but how it's drawn upon and manipulated...interpreted, if you will. Example, me and my 'sister,' very close to me and fellow practitioner though she leans more towards Wicca-esque trends.

She will draw on Light energies she finds, or manipulate energy so it's Light within her for her purposes. I still have problems even identifying Light energies, much less working with it! I'm much more inclined to manipulate lingering Dark energies or turn 'neutral' energy to Darkness just for me to work comfortably. Then again, my particular path is pretty messy and obscure.*

As for cities, war, pollution, crime, etc. for drawing on, I think that's situational and dependant again on the particular Witch in question. Just as evidenced here, KW can work in a city and even thrive on the energies there! Anjel, not so much, right? For me personally, it invokes far too many visitors, noises and distractions in my heart and mind to be able to focus properly for whatever Witchy thing I'm up to at the time. What I find doable in that case since I live right outside Baltimore (sinister place to drive let me assure you!) is I have what I've dubbed my Cacoon Ritual. It just allows me to create my own tiny safe haven to work in and draw upon what natural energies are available....the grass and earth plots and trees and night sky and moonlight and whatever is within myself. Cities are human, but they also aren't inherently bad or evil...just crowded and noisy. Pollution may be the same way, but I've never tried that and I have a feeling that drawing upon energies borne in toxins and waste would not have a happy effect on you, physically or any other -ly.

The crime and war musings really drew my attention, especially after my oh-so-recent stints in Iraq. That is quite possibly the worst idea ever, to draw upon human suffering and massacre. Murder, anger, death, rape, hate, sorrow...to draw upon it within yourself or even someone else (if you're trying to help them, which I have been known to do on occasion) is one thing. But a war is an entirely different beast and one that I can't even describe aptly. I never tried to summon, connect, touch, call, etc anything while I was there, be it energy, spirit or the man on the moon. Frankly, I was too scared to.*

My bottom line, I guess is, stick to what is conceivably natural or what won't bite you in the arse later.

*For my astericks...inspiration for me to blog/ramble on later to which I'll happily allow y'all to be privy to. Stay tuned if you're that interested, I suppose. :patsch:

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 09:25 PM

A lot of this boils down to what your personal perception of dark and light energy is! Obviously by all the posts it varies greatly....

I don't see anger, shame etc as being part of our darker side, they are just facets of our emotional being, we all have them....depending on our emotional wellbeing some are more prevalent than others, at different times.

Energy is just that...I don't feel it's light or dark, its the intent that controls, not the energy itself.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 04:56 AM

Darkness is th envelope of light. It is the end of one phase of existance to another. It is the hull of the seed which causes rebirth. It can be used to banish or to mutate into the dawning plane of introspect, where light is peeping through the blackness of that plane.
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Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:56 PM

Not sure I would classify things as light and dark. I think I understand what you're alluding to and will try to answer your question. Part of my training involved looking at myself and accepting I those part of my personality and ego that most religions/traditions ask you to suppress. Death, destruction, fighting, hunting, cunning, deceite, and a sense of hierarchy within groups are all a part of nature and they are all things I have found within myself and have come to accept.

Now, most people will tell you to "do unto others as you would have done unto you". Well, I'm sorry, but this is not natural and we are the only animals that think this is right and proper behaviour for our species. I follow natural laws as much as I can and I am out to survive and ensure my nearest and dearest are protected and well looked after by whatever means possible. That is what some might consider a "dark" side. I don't consider it so anymore - its just one part of the whole that is me.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 10:23 PM

I would like to address "The Darkness Within".....Having been a "Good" boy for the past couple of decades, the temptation was too great for me anymore and I took the plunge into being a TW....Not that it WAS "Darkness", but as opossed to the "light" that the church "brought ". The ideas of being "good" and "bad" being from a nominal judean/christian point of veiw, I revel in what I am now, as it is very much aligned/diametaricaly opposed to Catholosism. There were many things I was taught as a child there that were considered "good" by the church, and many things that were taught as "bad" by self-said church, that were diametericaly opposed to the chatechism.
I was VERY confused by all this, until I decided that I must just let go and be myself, church be damned for teaching me either right or wrong.....As it turned out, they taught me both; I just had wished I had realized that the witchcraft part I had realized MUCH sooner than now.
I don't mean for this to sound too confusing; I apologize....But the "C"hurch had taught us so many ambigious things that being a " good" catholic meant either being being a saint in rome or a zombie in haitai.
Thank you for letting me vent, my brothers and sisters.
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 02:36 AM

I believe that to truly understand yourself and your craft you have to accept the darkness as it's part of life and part of the light. To quote Albert Einstein - every action has an equal and opposite reaction - and i believe that is what the darkness is, to every bit of love and kindness, there is a bit of hate and cruelty, to life there is death, night to day - of course there are varying shades of grey in between but i think to gain a better perceptive of all things around you including the craft, you need to accept and learn about the darkness inside everything.

I still have some trouble with this as in, i understand that people do die and some people have reached the end and do need to die to create more life but it still hurts in the way they go or how early they go. I don't see the lesson in taking a baby or child away and perhaps until i learn to accept this i won't fully understand or accept my darkness

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 04:40 AM

My teacher said something really cool about embracing your darkness:
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest side, disposing only of what is obsolete or impractical. It's all about giving yourself permission." --Jack Darkhand

Also, one of my favorite Nietzsche quotes:
Be careful when you cast out your demons that you don't throw away the best thing in you.

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