Posted 03 November 2007 - 03:02 AM
I like this topic it makes you think and wonder. Mostly because it is a hard issue for modern witches of any mode or path, where we’re given—unlike most other faiths—such an intimate relationship with the Divine and act as our own clergy. It’s a topic where witches of various paths tend to disagree. Firstly though I apologize for not having read every reply to this thread ... I just wanted to lay out my blurb before I go to bed.
In some branches of traditional craft such as those that fall under what could be called Luceferian and Noctoferian traditions (I should mention that this is from my brief encounters with practitioners who claimed to be of those paths) there is somewhat of a belief that Angels are a kind of God-form. In a lot of legends ancient people speak of actual beings/angles/gods that descended upon earth and taught man things such as blacksmithing, horticulture, geomancy, astrology, magik etc. Also that they intermingled and bread with human women (like the fallen angels mentioned in the Bible). And it was mentioned that witches and priests or people who could create magik "know things" came from part of that bloodline and retained that knowledge. And today there are still many native religions that believe their gods to be very corporeal and real beings in and of themselves and not simply vague forms of our own psyche and each of their gods has a specific trade or role. But weather or not beings actually taught man these things and this is factual or metaphor for something deeper or inexpressible I don’t know. Weather magik folk carry some sort of blood line is quite arguable and at the end of the day probably won’t get you anywhere even if you do believe it. It’s like saying that you can trace your lineage back to the original four kings of Ireland. That and 20 p won’t even get ya a cup of coffee. Like was once pointed out to me, if it were the case after however many thousands of years or eons of time, wouldn’t that weaken any supposed bloodline? (I promise this ties in to the topic somewhere and I apologize for the rambling).
So some traditionalists believe their gods to be singular figures. Others believe, more or less, that we’re experiencing the same thing only from different perspectives. A few people have made the point that Deity, The Divine, speaks to us personally from within for whatever we need to learn or gain from the experience. I believe this is very true. While I also believe that, for example, the goddess Moriganna is not simply another aspect of The Lady/Great Goddess, and neither is Briggita, but rather individual powers and identities--different threads of fate. Although a thread of fate may be known to more than one peoples and therefor have different names depending on the culture. However, they do seem to express themselves personally and uniquely to each individual who either chooses to contact them or ends up crossing their path (or does both at once). I’ve also been told that The Gods or Higher Energies are more aware of you than you ever are of them in our mortal state (where we see so little of the whole picture), so this must mean that contact with Deity begins within as we and all things ever thought, created or dreamed are connected in some un-knowable way and essentially made of the same stuff.
But in our guessing and human need to name and label things and thus making it fit into our reality everyone seems to arrive at the same conclusion. We’re all energy, we’re all made of stardust. Physical matter is energy like spiritual energy only at different vibrations. all things are energy in the end there are just different kinds. Also, if there are enlightened beings—such as gods or angels—would they retain the same sort of ego that humans have which divides us from one another and gives us a false sense of separation from each other and all things? Or would they be in connection and more ‘at one’ with the source of all life that is all things--that unknowable source? Thereby giving up or putting aside that thing many of us strive to overcome or at least master, that thing which can sometimes separate us and cause us to see only our personal section of the picture
In the end, what I’m saying is, a witch is a sorcerer someone who wields the powers of the source. End of. Where you choose to go from there is up to you and the beliefs you discover to be true.
PS I hope this had something to do with the topic and made sense and wasn’t complete twaddle and I hope I didn’t come across as a complete idiot:eek: I don’t usually feel comfortable with posting in forums but since it’s policy to give your two cents that’s what I’m doing:D Take care everybody.