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#1 Sandy

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 04:51 AM

Universal Energy! Isn't that in simple terms what "God" is?

Energy that comes from all around us and is within everything, not just on this Earth but also the moon, the stars the whole Universe. It is there to be used and tapped into when you need it, you can focus it. Every thought form is an energy so although there are different "levels" of the Universal energy it all makes up the whole energy of the Universe.

Divine energy is the highest level in which we all wish to become, isn't this why we have to live mortal lives, to progress spiritually, to become closer to the Divine?

Sorry I know I am rambling but we all know that energy itself has to have a positive and receptive/negative "feed", it has to have it or there will be no energy in the first place, and lets face it, without it we have no earth - it has to spin somehow right!

Then, where the God/Goddess, Lord/Lady comes into play is actually giving the positive and receptive a name as most people need someone to call rather than something - postive being Male and receptive being Female. So is this itself the Divine, the energies combined?

I feel that the Dieties represent all the forms of energy that can be focused from the Universe and as I said before, it can be far easier to invoke Pan for example or Diana as a "Godlike person" rather than as a specific energy force.

It's 6am here so if I have just spouted complete and utter bollocks, please say :D :D

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 12:39 PM

I can agree with that Sandy, I think giving names to Gods / Goddesses is a human trait, we need to make them accessible and 'human like' (probably the wrong word but who gives a shit, it's as close as I can come to at the moment) :)

I think the Gods / Goddesses make themselves known to each one of us in the manner most suited to the lesson to be learned and in the most appropriate form to try and imprint the lesson. The Gods / Goddesses are real to each and every one of us, others may disagree on our 'vision' of them .. but does that matter? NO, we make our own realities, we perceive things individually and what is real to you or I may not be real for someone else .. GOOD, it'd be a bloody boring world and life if we all perceived things exactly the same way.

Others perceptions of reality provide a way to enlighten us, to make us question our own perceptions and either amend our perceptions or accept that our own perception works better for us.

For a post at 6AM I think you stated your perceptions well, it's a difficult area, we tend to feel or see internally what we mean, it's just putting things into words that is difficult.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:08 PM

Yep, we as humans need to compartmentalise and label our beliefs, experiences etc, and indeed by personification we can relate more easily to these. I personally find it fascinating that many religions, and countries have comparable dieties. Did we all at one point in time have the means to communicate with higher beings and therefore share the same genre of dieties? I liked what you said Droghon re: choosing your deity etc. acc. to lessons needing to be learned. For me it supports those people who wish to mix their pantheons but also as many dieties are repeated with diff. names in diff. pantheons, it also supports that case too!
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Posted 23 September 2006 - 08:20 AM

Yes I too can agree with all that ;) human trait indeed you could say that everyone else is not so muck barking up the wrong tree with their version of deity or religion, more likely all barking at the same one seen from a different and probably unique to the individual's perspective
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Posted 23 September 2006 - 08:22 AM

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Posted 24 September 2006 - 05:40 AM

Yep, I would have to sign up for that view point. I think I have said elsewhere here that I focus on a God and Goddess, but in truth that means I focus on a God but refuse to think in male or female only terms. I also remember reading a posting somewhere on this forum about people considering god as being ones own higher self, which is I think a very valid view point although I cannot think of god in quite those terms.

I did remember a smile creeping across my face though when I read that view point, because I very much believe that you can search for god everywhere until you are blue in the face, but you will never find god unless you find him/her first on the inside. So maybe our two thoughts are not so very far away really. :)

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Posted 24 September 2006 - 06:37 PM

I did remember a smile creeping across my face though when I read that view point, because I very much believe that you can search for god everywhere until you are blue in the face, but you will never find god unless you find him/her first on the inside. So maybe our two thoughts are not so very far away really. :)


I think that statement is very true DarkMere, unless we find the divine within oursleves, we won't find it elsewhere. And I don't think our thoughts are so very far away at all.

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Posted 24 September 2006 - 07:09 PM

I tend to agree. It had to start within ourselves first before we can find out elsewhere.
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Posted 29 September 2006 - 11:16 PM

i see that i'm not the only one that feels the same way.
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 05:14 PM

I know this thread is a month old but I was struck by it. I have spent the last couple of weeks thinking nothing but of what I believe and came to the conclusiont that the God and Goddess which I envision are both projections of what is within me. I imagine that is why we all have these different projections of this natural power because we all relate it to our own inner diety.
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 06:50 PM

Exactly! :wizard:
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:17 AM

Greetings All

Well and why not I say? Afterall it is a biggish place this collection of multiverses and to mangle a quote is filled with creatures beyond number where wee furry folk like myself must seem unremarkable in comparison.

But there are lots of different also people out there big and small ... the trait to give em all names so they don't seem cary is one humans excell at ... I like always to remind myself that simply that I give a name and borders to whatever I am observing or experiencing at any given time .. that is where *I* decide the boundaries are.

And as we all know we have tendancies to believe any number of things to make ourselves feel comfortable .... not that that makes em true! *G*

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 02:21 PM

Spot on, learned from studies of place names; names are mostly given by others, if you live somewhere, you know where you live, only an outsider will need to name it! My take is that its like this in this case, if you work with a Spirit or Diety you will know who it is, so its not so important to name it, it just is! Think sum old guy said * I think therefore I am*, reckon thats a similar sort of thing. Sorry if I have offended anyone, not my intention to! Just voicing an opinion!:cool:
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 11:10 PM

“Universal Energy! Isn't that in simple terms what "God" is?

Energy that comes from all around us and is within everything, not just on this Earth but also the moon, the stars the whole Universe. It is there to be used and tapped into when you need it, you can focus it. Every thought form is an energy so although there are different "levels" of the Universal energy it all makes up the whole energy of the Universe.

Divine energy is the highest level in which we all wish to become, isn't this why we have to live mortal lives, to progress spiritually, to become closer to the Divine?”


>>>I don’t have this view, but take a different angle into this most mysterious metaphysic. Take a peek at Brian Bates website and see what he has written about Wyrd: http://www.wayofwyrd...duction_pc.html This is more along the lines what I think.



Sorry I know I am rambling but we all know that energy itself has to have a positive and receptive/negative "feed", it has to have it or there will be no energy in the first place, and lets face it, without it we have no earth - it has to spin somehow right!


>>>The energies and forces of the universe take on various characteristics depending on the type of energy. Electric fields have an inherent characteristic that is different than magnetic fields. Likewise, gravitational and nuclear fields have different characteristics as well. Of course, there are other types of powers that haven’t yet been “discovered” by scientists and these too have different characteristics.



Then, where the God/Goddess, Lord/Lady comes into play is actually giving the positive and receptive a name as most people need someone to call rather than something - postive being Male and receptive being Female. So is this itself the Divine, the energies combined?

I feel that the Dieties represent all the forms of energy that can be focused from the Universe and as I said before, it can be far easier to invoke Pan for example or Diana as a "Godlike person" rather than as a specific energy force.



>>> I’m a polytheist who believes in the individuality of the gods; that they're all different in a analogous way we are all different. I believe that there exists a multitude of entities that only have a ‘non-corporeal’ existence and that some are “Great” (like Fate) and some are formally human (the Mighty Dead) and some are “smaller” (like spirits of nature). I believe that all are sacred.


Very interesting topic for discussion.


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Posted 10 December 2006 - 09:14 AM

Roger thank you for this link and your views. I love hearing about this subject but not too many people are willing to come forward and say anything about it. I could literally sit and listen for hours and hours about what "God" means to each individual.

I am always very open on this subject and crave to absorb as much information as I can. My views change all the time and when I am enlightened by something that fits better than my current thought then I have no problem in embracing it.

I can fully relate to and even practise in my daily life what was written on that webiste.

"Our Anglo-Saxon ancestors believed in a universe where lines of power ran through the earth, spirits inhabited the trees, streams and stones, and where magicians were able to look into the future through the mysterious power of runes"

This is a Shamanic way of thinking and one that I personally feel very attuned to. Myself and Brian have been searching for a good leyline website or book which covers Europe as well as the UK, but its damn hard to find anything decent!! I could get out there myself with a dowsing stick I guess LOL .. I can just see my neighbours now!! HAHA

Would you consider this "Wryd" as actually "God" though or just a Shamanic way of connecting with the Divine? Either way, connecting on this level certainly works for me and this is exactly what my workshop (that I am setting up with my Shamanic friend in Germany) will be teaching to our Catholic local villagers in the coming year!

However, my initial question (or rather rambling thoughts) was more about "What" is the Divine, rather than a way of working to attain Nirvana.

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 06:33 PM

Sandy wrote, "Would you consider this "Wryd" as actually "God" though or just a Shamanic way of connecting with the Divine? "

>>>the great ones are the weavers of the web of wyrd. We and the Gods and indeed all things exist as part of this weaving. This is why the weavers are called "Fate". We are connected to the Gods and all things via the "threads" of the web. This is why I don't view the Gods as "energy", but as seperate indivuals, just like we are seperate individuals - but we are all connected! Very nice metaphysic imho. This paradigm is fairly robust and cannot be described here in a simple email posting, however, it is a fairly complete in it's ability to address most of the questions relavent to the topic raised.

On a slightly off topic side ramp, I believe Edred Thorrson's theory that there are four main contributors to British paganism/witchcraft: Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Northern (including Vanic), and aboriginal (which is probably Celtic or proto-celtic if I can use the term). Brian Bates' work focuses on the anglo-saxon part. Interestingly, the nomenclature for the Lord and Lady for the God and Goddess come from the Vanic influence according; Freyr and Freyja are not names but titles: Lord and Lady. Of course, we have the day of the week Friday named for one of them.

I think it's interesting to study each of the roots of the British tradition, but I always remember that they came together and evolved over the years.

I also think that the anglo-saxon influence brought in a shamanic element which may have become part of the British tradition as well. This is why I think it is always a good idea to study a bit of shamanism in conjunction with this path.

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 07:18 AM

Thanks for clarifying that Roger. Very interesting. I have to admit for me personally I am more Gnostic/Shamanic than seeing Gods more as individual entities but I do feel that that God energy is in everything and that we are all part of a higher conciousness or "the web" if you like.

When we really break it all down it seems like the end is more or less the same, we all just have different ways of seeing it, which I feel is very healthy and proves even moreso we are all individuals and do not need or require a "leader" as such.

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 02:33 PM

Thanks for clarifying that Roger. Very interesting. I have to admit for me personally I am more Gnostic/Shamanic than seeing Gods more as individual entities but I do feel that that God energy is in everything and that we are all part of a higher conciousness or "the web" if you like.


I also feel the same here when it comes to the god energy. I tend to lean more on the Shaman side of spirituality. To me its the spiritual energy...Shaman energy is you want to put a name on it....more than god like forms.

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 09:22 PM

Thanks for posting Roger, very interesting!

I agree on the idea of Wyrd and the use of runes and have read Edred Thorsson's books with interest (my own familly roots are, like most British people I expect, a rich mix of Norse, Angle, Celt) and agree on his theory that each of these (and others) have influenced paganism / witchcraft in the UK.

I think such 'cross fertilisation' of ideas is something that has contributed to the diversity of witchcraft in the UK and has been a major component in keeping witchcraft relevant to the times. As you say, it's interesting to study the past, but as our ancestors did, we move forward.

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 02:38 AM

Thanks for responding Brian. I like Thorrsons books on runes also. The idea of the four roots for British pagan witchcraft is stated in his book, "Witchdom of the True".

I'm a bit of a traditionalist, I guess, in that I look forward from the present with some knowledge and much respect for the ancestors and what they believed. Would tend to not give up what they believed, but augment it what I sense to be lacking in my own trad as long as it would make sense to consider. For example, we've added some shamanic techniques that would not have been around from back in the day. That makes sense to me because it's a modern vehicle to get to where you want to go and it's the destination, not the vechicle that really matters.

I personally find it difficult sometimes to know what modern beliefs to consider when there are so many available these days. I've studied most of the occult topics around to some depth, so I know the origins of some of the paradigms that abound on the internet these days and those that I know are specific to say the Western Esoteric Hermetic tradition for example, I would tend to not include in my own view of what paganism is since the origin would have probably focused in a certain magical fraternnity in the late 19th century. On the other hand, if I find some pagan or craft practice in a history that is not part of the tradition I hold, I might try to gain a consensus for the incorporation of an analog (if I can get my wife to agree ;) ). Our mentor basically said that same thing you did this way, "Use a drop..." and go on from there. I guess it depends on where you want to go; what direction you want to head in.

If I may ask, I'm interested in what you and Sandy (and others as well of course) should be the direction of modern paganism/witchcraft? Where do you think modern witchcraft should be going? What functions should it encompass as it's own?

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