froglover Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 This is a bit of a long post as I append an article from 1905 Folklore about the reputed witch "Mrs Smith" who can easily be shown to be identical with the reputed witch Susan Cooper c1796-1878 of Whittlesford near Cambridge. (See Enid Porter's book on Cambrdidgeshire Folkore, http://books.google.com.au/books?id=rU4VAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=Suasn+Cooper+Whittlesford+Jabez+few&source=bl&ots=1EvTCTgK_A&sig=j1n0lEv4bb_kAa1anrJuXyktZzM&hl=en&ei=QxXpSuKjEc7IkAXrvYyZDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false)I believe the article to be extraordinarily important. This account is unusual being derived from Susan Cooper's neighbours, neither incredulous nor I think altogether hostile. Susan Cooper alias "Mrs Smith" is credited with a horse whisperers powers, but especially with power over pigs. I don't think the connection between female witches and pigs has received enough attention....among the witches of East Anglia at least power over pigs is one of the msot reliable attributes of witches, right up there with small animal familiars. East Anglia was also "horse whisperer" country, and some horse whisperers, also called horse witches, used a magical toad bone, as witches are recorded as doing....In article for Folklore about the "Toadmen" , (male horse witches who used the toad-bone) the toad-bone was said to give power over "horses pigs and women"..... The horse whisperers and Toadmen were exclusively male but looking at the article on "Mrs Smith" below you will see that once the fog of superstitious gossip is discounted consistent reports of her power over pigs is what is left...a "pig whisperer" in fact. As I say reports of (at least) East Anglian witches consistently referto their special interest in pigs though I think "Mrs Smith"/Susan Cooper may be the best documented case. A Cambridgeshire Witch. {Communicated through Miss Beatrix Wherry.) Mrs. Smith was born about 1810 and died about 1880. Myfather was then clergyman of the parish (in Cambridgeshire), andI have heard him say there were such crowds of people at herfuneral that they pushed each other right into the grave, allexpecting that she would burst her coffin. He was obliged tostop and speak to them, " and a fine lecture he gave them," awoman told me when lately I revisited my old home, "andserve 'em right too, for their wonderful ignorance, believing insuch things." On the occasion of the same visit I asked another oldacquaintance, Mrs D , if she could tell me anything aboutMrs. Smith. "Oh yes," she said, "she used to live near usand would often come to see mother. Sometimes we wouldlay a knife or a pair of scissors just inside the door, and thenshe would say, ' I can't come in, my sole is coming off myshoe,' and she couldn't come in until we had taken the knifeaway, because a witch can't pass over steel. Other times wewould hide a knife under the cushion on the arm-chair andask her to sit down, but she would pick up the cushion andsay, ' Why, you have got a knife hidden there ! ' " I then asked if it was true that she had power over animals." Oh yes ! " was the reply, " my mother saw a waggon oppositethe public-house down the road there, and the horses couldn'tmove it. The man was cursing, and thrashing 'em somethingcruel, and the horses was pulling, but they couldn't movethe cart nohow. At last he got so wild, he caught hold ofa pitchfork and drove it into the horse's knee, but even then [!]it couldn't go on. Well, Mrs. Smith she came down the road.' Don't treat the poor horses like that,' she says, and directlyshe spoke off went the horses as if nothing was the matter.Then there was a woman here as had a pig as was takenwonderful bad, a-whirling round in the field and frothing at themouth. Well, the woman she sent for a man to kill it, andhe came a-sharpening his knife, when all of a sudden the pigit stopped rushing round, and just ran after the man as wasgoing to kill it ? and Mrs. Smith she come by just at theminute." " And did they kill the pig ? " I asked. " No, incourse," she said, "it was quite well after that." " Mrs. Smith seems to have been very kind to animals,"I remarked. " Well you see, Miss," she said, " if a pig washurt, it hurt her too: if they cut a pig on the nose, the markcame on her face. There was another woman as wanted tokill a pig as was took bad, so Mrs. Smith she took some mealand she says to the woman, ' I owe you this,' she says ; andif the woman had answered she would not have been ableto kill that pig. The children they used to have all sorts ofjokes with her; sometimes they would stick pins into herfootmark and she would turn round and ask them what theywere a-doing of." "I have been told she had imps," I said, "did you eversee any?" "No," said Mrs. D , "I didn't, but otherpeople have." I asked her to tell me something about them."After Mrs. Smith died mother laid her out. There was achest of drawers in the room and such a squeaking and ahollering going on inside it like a lot of rats, but when motherlooked in there was nothing inside it. Before she died shesaid to mother, ' When I am dead don't you make a peep-showof me, Sarah,' but mother she did, and I went and so didlots of others. My sister Mary she saw an imp once; she wason her way to the mill and something jumped out on her, ablack thing ; it wasn't exactly a dog nor a rat, it looked morelike a frog ; the thing jumped on her and Mary she screechedsomething awful and ran for dear life. Mother heard shehad been bitten by a mad dog, so she sent a message downshe had better go to the doctor. But Mary said, no, it wasn'ta dog as had jumped on her, it had the look of a frog. Mrs.Smith came to see mother. ' Is it true,' she says, ' as yourdarter's been bitten by a dog ? ' ' No,' says mother, ' it wasa frog that jumped on her.' 'Ah,' says Mrs. Smith, 'it wouldhave been a pity if she had killed it.' You see. Miss, if shehad killed it, that would have hurt herT " Did anybody else see the imps ? " I asked. " Yes, there was a man saw Mrs. and Mr. Smith, a-feeding theimps out of a box ; that was when her husband was aHve. There was my cousin, Jim D ; everybody knows he drank,but not so bad as some, not by a long way. He was cominghome one night, and do what he would he could not reachhome. He could walk straight in any other direction, butdirectly he tried to walk home something seemed to stop him,a-pulling of him back. He climbed hedges, he tried everyway, and a fine state of mind he was in lest the police shouldcatch him roaming about, and think he was up to mischief.All at once he thought he saw a woman on a horse, and whenhe come close, he saw it was the old girl on a hurdle ! That'show she used to go about at night. Another man he sawher a-flying over hedges and ditches on her hurdle." "There was my brother's little girl Florry as was very ill.They lived over at T . There was a witch there. Miss.Well, they put the child's illness down to her. So my brotherhe got a bottle and filled it with water and put in some of thechild's hair and a lot of other things as I can't remember, thenthey corked it up and put it on the fire to boil. Then whenthe bottle burst that would hurt the witch ? that is, if you didnot speak to her ; and she came and she did her best to makethem speak. There was a woman here as Mrs. Smith had aspite against. She did not leave her house for years andyears, but directly Mrs. Smith died she was all right again,and so we always says as she was bewitched. Then there wasa little niece of mine staying here with her mother. She wason her mother's lap sitting near the fire, and she looks upthe chimney and starts screaming awful, and nothing wouldpacify her. They took her out of the house cause they couldn'tbear the noise, but directly she was brought back she wouldlook up the chimney and start screaming again, so we thinksshe must have seen something up the chimney, and it was Mrs.Smith's doing." "What was she like to talk to?" I asked. "Oh, she was always very nice to us. My mother, she toldher plain, that if she tried any of her tricks on our animals,she would just mark them so that it would come out on herso that everyone should see. If you gave her anything or lenther anything, then she had got a hold over you." Mrs. D had many more anecdotes about pigs which Mrs.Smith had made ill. The complaint always took the form ofwhirling round and round. Many people had seen them inthat state, and as soon as Mrs. Smith spoke to them theyrecovered immediately. But in subsequent visits Mrs. Drefused to return to the subject, as she said it made her feelnervous at night. Another woman in the village afterwardstold me nearly the same stories, and with reference to themarks coming out on the witch's hands, she declared she hadseen them covered with cuts. She had herself, so she said,been an eye-witness of the scene, when a man she knew puta bottle on the fire and "said some words" over it, anddirectly the water began to simmer, old Mrs. Smith rushed tothe door and made such a noise that they were obliged tospeak to her. Hermione L. F. Jennings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oakbuchanan Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Thanks for that froglover, interesting little read that..I like Mrs Smith :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 This is written in much the same way (interview-style with "old timers") as is The Crooked Scythe by George Ewart Evans. TCS also mentions the toadmen and the power over horses (animals), the importance of ploughing, and the toad-bone right. In his book the tale goes to impale it on a whitethorn; however, other accounts say to use a blackthorn. I also think one sees more of this type of "charming" in Europe than in the Americas. At least, that is where most of the tales seem to come from, as you said, the East Anglican area. I also, personally, think the TB rite is a rite of solitary "initiation" or joing with a specific "stream" (or realizing that stream within the Self) and that then enables one to walk in the two worlds and effect things in this world (animals). But I think it also has more meaning than literally "controlling" animals. Very interesting read, thank you. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloe Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Interesting stuff.... A lot of this is almost exactly like stories related in Ozark Magic and Folklore by Vance Randolph. http://www.amazon.com/Ozark-Magic-Folklore-Vance-Randolph/dp/0486211819#reader_0486211819 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froglover Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 Interesting stuff.... A lot of this is almost exactly like stories related in Ozark Magic and Folklore by Vance Randolph. http://www.amazon.com/Ozark-Magic-Folklore-Vance-Randolph/dp/0486211819#reader_0486211819 Yes, it is indeed like the Ozark material, and it is not alone there among accounts of English folk magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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