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It has puzzled me as to why I don't feel the connection many or all of you do.

 

Does it make me a lesser witch?

 

Really I don't think so. I just work in a really different way. As long as it works for me thats fine. I always was the odd one.

 

Bingo! I don't think you are a lesser witch at all, every single one of us is very different from the next. In a way i think that's what kinda makes us witches, being different :D

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Bingo! I don't think you are a lesser witch at all, every single one of us is very different from the next. In a way i think that's what kinda makes us witches, being different :D

 

Exactly and this is why Im putting this out there cause we are so different, yet...

 

And again, thankyou for the responses so far...

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It has puzzled me as to why I don't feel the connection many or all of you do.

 

Does it make me a lesser witch?

 

Really I don't think so. I just work in a really different way. As long as it works for me thats fine. I always was the odd one.

 

I live in Wiltshire and although I do have a connection to the land its more to the elements, Earth is Earth where ever it is. One of the places I feel connected is back in Holland where none ofmy ancestors come from, but a place i lived for a while.

 

I have tried and failed to have a connection with ancestors, I mean for a good 1000 years or so they would have been mainly Christian non witches wouldn't they?.

I feel more of a connection to other spirit witches rather than the spirits of my bloodline ancestors.

 

I call myself pagan but I'm not a typical pagan running around stone circles every equinox drinking mead and casting circles.

 

My ways change, evolve and even take sharp turns.

 

Do you Americans or Australians feel like you need to have a connection with other countries to be witches?

 

Morgana you said that your paternal grandmother was a Native American wise woman and that your maternal grandmother was a healer(why is it always grandmothers? My paternal granny was very folk-pagan but also a bit loopy).

Do you believe things have been passed down to you? Do your parents also use witchcraft or Native american ways etc?

Sorry to be nosy its just a pretty amazing thing.

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Do you Americans or Australians feel like you need to have a connection with other countries to be witches?

 

Thats a question I've wanted to ask for a while but didn't know how to phrase it nicely.

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Thats a question I've wanted to ask for a while but didn't know how to phrase it nicely.

Well, since I don't feel a connection to any other country, & only truely feel connected to where I was born in GA, .... That would be a no for me. :)

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I live in Wiltshire and although I do have a connection to the land its more to the elements, Earth is Earth where ever it is. One of the places I feel connected is back in Holland where none ofmy ancestors come from, but a place i lived for a while.

 

I have tried and failed to have a connection with ancestors, I mean for a good 1000 years or so they would have been mainly Christian non witches wouldn't they?.

I feel more of a connection to other spirit witches rather than the spirits of my bloodline ancestors.

 

I call myself pagan but I'm not a typical pagan running around stone circles every equinox drinking mead and casting circles.

 

My ways change, evolve and even take sharp turns.

 

Do you Americans or Australians feel like you need to have a connection with other countries to be witches?

 

Morgana you said that your paternal grandmother was a Native American wise woman and that your maternal grandmother was a healer(why is it always grandmothers? My paternal granny was very folk-pagan but also a bit loopy).

Do you believe things have been passed down to you? Do your parents also use witchcraft or Native american ways etc?

Sorry to be nosy its just a pretty amazing thing.

 

For me it would be a no too. Even tho my Ancestors came from Ireland & Germany I never got that strong connection of feeling being a Witch I must connect with those places. But being part American indian I have felt that connection & looked into that.

I just feel mostly connected to Earth because (I believe) its ancientness.

 

Sapphire

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Maybe our Ancestors were connected in some way or we were together in a previous life and we naturally tend to gravitate towards the things we cherish.

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An American doesn't need a connection to other countries to be a witch--however, I do think a connection to the land of somewhere near or far and "ancestors" is very important to traditional witchcraft (And I do mean witchcraft from traditional paths, not the general meaning of non-wiccan diy witchcraft--of which I also respect and support, but its not me). Ancestor's don't have to be your literal grandpa and grandmas, but they can be. Ancestors can be other witches--its in our blood, in my opinion and a red thread connects us. (though not all witches believe in the blood idea--some say that anyone can be a witch)

 

However, I do feel a connection to the land of my heritage. And it is integral to my path to have that connection to Ireland. And I cultivated it, to be honest, as did my family. My mother has always shared a lot with us kids about Ireland and her family. Heritage and ancestors is very important to my mother and to me. About ten years ago my mother and I joined an Irish Heritage group together, and I began taking courses at Uni about my ancestor's history and culture. And it is a part of my tradition to look to this homeland.

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Do you Americans or Australians feel like you need to have a connection with other countries to be witches?

 

I don't think that it is a need to have a connection with other countries to be witches. Who wouldn't want to be associated with Englands/Irelands/Scotlands rich, romantic, beautiful, if not sometimes tragic history? Even more so if it is your heritage. As for me..I am greek/irish american, living in Greece. I love America, I can feel her history in the land-the Indians, the European immigrants etc.. But it's not like here in Greece(and much of Europe)-where history, and your connection to it is like a slap in the face. Monuments, ancient reliks, etc..are everywhere. Xios suffered much under the Ottoman empire-bones of the slaughtered children, women and men are kept on display as well as bloody footprints on marble etc..And I feel these people and their pain on this land that my ancestors are from. And I feel connected to them, and this country somehow

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I am nowhere NEAR my "native lands" that I am aware of....I live 20 miles or so (30KM) from my home town, my ancestors came from France, England, Scotland, Ireland, Canada and the Chippewa Indian Reservation I live not far from. The only REAL connection I feel to the land is what I own, but I'm in touch with ALL nature. My guess is that it does'nt matter who you are or where you are, you will always be a witch. It's in your blood, you know it's there.

And there's a part of you WAY, deep down that would'nt trade it for ANYTHING.

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I agree that I don't think I need a connection to other countries to make me a witch, i stand on the earth or in the sea and that sea is connected to all the other bits of earth on the planet in one way or another - so i am connected to every country in the world even by just a little bit.

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I do not feel any special need to feel a connection to some land over the ocean from here. Last time I checked, the earth is the same age all over. The histories of different lands may be different and not always as obvious as ancient architecture. However, I live about 40 minutes from the Cahokia Mounds and there is some awesome energies there! I love to go there by myself and wander the grounds and the museum. The mounds qualify as a ancient historical place and is supposed to be the oldest archaeological site in America. http://www.cahokiamounds.com

 

I do find the histories of other places fascinating study though.

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From what little I have travelled I have always felt just as at home as a witch.

 

We went to QLD in Australia, the feeling there was fantastic, I didnt do any workings while I was on holiday but I certainly didnt think it would have been a problem. And its amazing how much energy the sun can give you when you are a pale english person, lol. Loads of little hippy shops there, and one witchy shop which I was chuffed to find. Apparently Australia has the largest population of witches other than the US I hear?

 

I think there is this a bit of a pretence attached to the Craft that it somehow has to be 'celtic' or 'irish' or 'european'. Whist those traditions are fine, I consider Witchcraft as a universal practice, and like everyone has said here, I dont think it matters where you live - just as long as the practices you follow are right for you!

 

**now surfing web for houses in australia!!**

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I think there is this a bit of a pretence attached to the Craft that it somehow has to be 'celtic' or 'irish' or 'european'. Whist those traditions are fine, I consider Witchcraft as a universal practice, and like everyone has said here, I dont think it matters where you live - just as long as the practices you follow are right for you!

 

**now surfing web for houses in australia!!**

 

Well put!! This is what I was trying to say! Thanks!

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We went to QLD in Australia, the feeling there was fantastic, I didnt do any workings while I was on holiday but I certainly didnt think it would have been a problem. And its amazing how much energy the sun can give you when you are a pale english person, lol. Loads of little hippy shops there, and one witchy shop which I was chuffed to find. Apparently Australia has the largest population of witches other than the US I hear?

 

**now surfing web for houses in australia!!**

 

Do we really? Wow that's pretty cool for Australia but i must admit it's kinda easy to find stores and readers etc - I hear QLD is pretty laid back and most of the pagan events are there or in South Australia.

 

Hehehe well you'd be welcome down under, that's for sure!! :D

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Do you Americans or Australians feel like you need to have a connection with other countries to be witches?

 

I do not feel the "need" for that. The only reason I do feel a connection to other countries is because I feel I have lived there in a past life, not so much that my ancestors came from there.

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A connection....I think us trad witches are connected, not meaning by land. But common denominators. Think about it....Here is a list I have compiled...

 

Since joining TW, I see we all have some traits in common:

 

We are or have:

 

1. Powerful inner Strength

2. Independence

3. Tenacious

4. Outspoken

5. Responsible

6. Open minded

7. Self reliant

8. Courageous

9. Compassionate

10. Moral codes

 

And...not to mention the greatest of all "intentions"....lol. That may not be all and not necessarily in that order, but it is the ones I have noticed we all have in common as trad witches. Not to mention we do what we have to do and use the tools we have at hand in order to get the job done! So, in this sense, we are connected.

 

What do you think???

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Fuckin hell...wow! lol thanks Lea! :)

 

You are very welcome! :)

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Do you Americans or Australians feel like you need to have a connection with other countries to be witches? I don't think that it is a need to have a connection with other countries to be witches. Who wouldn't want to be associated with Englands/Irelands/Scotlands rich, romantic, beautiful, if not sometimes tragic history? Even more so if it is your heritage.

When I realized what I was back as a young teen, the only thing I remember that I connected to was the land - nature, animals, etc.

 

I have French/Canadian, English, and Chippewa Indian in me (that I am aware of), but my Grandparents (adopted) were Polish and they always said that they brought the old country with them when they came here.

I think that when I got older and looked into wicca and read books on it, it was their romantic desire (IMO) to be part of history over the pond, like it gave them permission to be a witch and that you need to connect to this part of your past.

 

I totally understand where some people are connected to their ancestors historical lands, there is much energy there and many feel "at home" there.

 

For me, I have never had a great desire or a connection to move or visit a certain place because of my heritage. My connection is here in America and its mine history on this land that I am making.

 

I am not sure what our connection is with each other or just being a witch is, maybe its our relationship to the earth, and how we naturally work with what we have around us to make things happen that connect us.

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I know we all have our own play on what walking the Trad path means to us. Personaly I find my connection inseperable from the ancient past of the Island of Eire and these British Isles on which I live, not so much about 'trying' to reconstruct the past, but more so opening up to the memory of it.

I remember waking up to this memory conciously at 14, when I first projected astrally, I travelled through grand halls and temples, then I found myself in the distant past, I found myself flying high above these ancient lands, I recall how everything was so green there were no modern roads and could see a great body of people a Tribe or Clan below me and on the move and at the head carrying a standard bearing the skull of an animal with great horns attached, I remember being noticed as I flew overhead..Why Im sharing this is that it woke me up to my ancestors and the ancient Land, the same resonance I experience when I gaze upon Stonehenge or avebury. I dont pray to or worship Pagan Deities, but I do sometimes talk with and pray to an Ancient power that existed long before Humanity was but a twinkling in the milkmans eye..

 

Its amazing how we all identify with TW but can be so differing in what that means to each one of us.

There are many here who would say you can be any religion and none and be a Witch..this is true and I agree.. some say that your a Witch if you practise Witchcraft, yet again I would agree.. to me the path of Witchcraft is deep rooted in my connection to my ancestors and the Land on which I stand..What Im throwing out there for discussion is this...

 

Is there a certain standard that we all agree on that connects us under the same banner?

Or are there TW who although under the same banner dont feel connected?

Is the connection to the past important to you? and if so what era?

Or is being a Witch to you not about a connection to the past but more about being free of religion or dogma?

 

Im really interested not only in what connects us here but even more so in our differences..

 

Personally it is the Land on which I stand that connects me as a Witch..But the Craft is what connects me to other Witches..

 

Im interested to hear how an American or Australian for example connect with the land.. Is it with the Land you live on or your Ancestral land from which your ancestors migrated if they were not indigenous..

 

And finally is the craft what connects you as a Witch or is it something else?

If it isnt the craft, then what is it? If you stopped practising the craft would you still connect with being a witch and the land as a witch? If so how or why?

 

Is there more to being a Witch than just Witchcraft? If so what is it?

 

Cheers..

 

Oak

 

My connection to the path relates to the land in general, more so when it comes to the country side, surrounded by trees and wild plants, farms and the likes. I experience a strong resonance from celtic history, poetry and such, which isn't mandatory strange, since there were celts in Portugal in the past. I feel misplaced when I am in the city. I keep seeing this clear in the woods, though i am sure I've never seen it in this lifetime (not yet, anyways). But I digress.

 

I'd say the connection to the past is important to me, but I'd add that it is also my connection with Nature (I feel part of it and view animals and plants, the planet itself, etc as being as important as I am and not below me - I hope this makes sense, as I find it hard to explain it) that makes me a Witch.

 

I feel that I connect to other Witches through the Craft (or Crafts, as there are so many variations).

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Anya - you say that 'there were celts in Portugal in the past'. I moved here from Wales, which is about as celtic as you can get, and I can assure you that there are celts living in Portugal still. Some of the people here are so obviously of the same 'blood' as some of Welsh people I knew that I half expect them to start talking Welsh to me instead of Portuguese. Many of the words are the same, especially in pronounciation, though the spelling is often very different. I think the celts basically got pushed westwards as far as the Atlantic ocean and survive best in places like Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and Portugal, but for some reason Portugal seems to have been all but forgotten when people think of the celts.

 

I would *love* to be able to research more silimarities, and learn about the history of witchcraft in Portugal. There's a new shop opened in the city with lots of witchy stuff in it including a book called 'Bruxas Verdades' (real witches). I've a feeling it's mostly about Brazilian witchcraft, but I think I'm going to go and have another look at it next weekend. I might treat myself...

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What words would you say are similar to Welsh? In what sense?

 

Do you mean this book? Definitely Brazilian.

 

You won't find many books on anything resembling Witchcraft in Portuguese, unless it is Brazilian or just Wicca-related or both.

Regarding Witchcraft in Portugal, you'll find many claiming to be Witches and to be able to turn water into gold. Too bad they can't turn their words into actions and actually make it happen. Bunch of wannabes and scumbags trying to leech off gullible people. Rant over. :lolol:

 

I think that Portuguese people are all too afraid of going against the church and going to hell. But I know a few closet witches. My grandmother from my mother's side will use water and olive oil to take the "mau-olhado" (evil eye) and a friend of the family will use red-hot coal and water for that purpose as well. My mother is very good at reading people and divination (mostly through dreams and "gut feelings"). That sort of thing.

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Id be really interested to hear what words are welsh origin too.. I dont speak portugese but I do speak Spanish, and have family in Badajoz in Spain which is on the border of Portugal, so I have had the pleasure of crossing into that wonderful country a few times.. Id agree bout the Churches hold on the peoples psyche, with Fatima and the Apparitions, but right under their nose people are practising sympathetic magick, dont know if you have been to Fatima sabe or anya but I remember (and i may have said this before) But one thing I remember was seeing cues of people lining up with wax effigies of arms, legs, hands etc..representin the area of the body affected with illness or discease and throwing them into a massive fire pit to burn the illness up..amazing sight

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Yeah, that was the book. If it's purely Brazilian it's not worth my while getting it...

 

Now, welsh/portuguese words. Hmm, this is going to be tricky.

 

Chair is (hope my spelling is ok) cadeira in portugese, cadair in welsh.

Soup/stew is caldo in portuguese, cawl in Welsh - the pronounciation is almost identical if you just drop the 'do' in caldo.

 

There are loads of others but I suspect a lot of them are latin origin, not celtic, like pont = bridge, pasqua/pasc = easter, but there are some like cao/ci = dog and estrume/dom = manure, which are similar enough to suggest they were originally the same word.

 

Also there seem to be regional variations in spelling (traz to tras) for instance which is very similar to the way the welsh mutate word endings (p to b, c to g, b to f).

 

I just googled this too, which seems to suggest a link between welsh and portuguese celts.

 

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146413465

 

In the bit where I live, I haven't met *anyone* claiming to be anything like a witch, and very very few that don't claim to be catholic. Like you said, they seem to be too afraid to go against the church. But I had to laugh at a poster I saw last week - it was supposed to be advertising a soup festival and it showed a silhouette of what looked *exactly* like a witch stirring her cauldron, less the pointy hat. There is no doubt in my mind that the fairytale image of a traditional witch is based on the habits of the local old women! In fact, when I treated myself to a nice black shawl and tried it on to see what my family thought of my 'new look' they just said that I looked like Maria from next door. She even keeps a broomstick outside her front door! :witchbroom:

 

Their herbal knowledge is excellent too. If I bring a bag of 'weeds' back to give to the chickens, the neighbours will rummage through it and tell me what to put in the soup and what to give to the chickens, and if I ask them the name of a plant they will explain all it's uses at great length but never offer any name for it. I'm sure there's a wealth of information locked away in those old heads but I'm not sure how to get it out of them...:cry_witch:

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Id be really interested to hear what words are welsh origin too.. I dont speak portugese but I do speak Spanish, and have family in Badajoz in Spain which is on the border of Portugal, so I have had the pleasure of crossing into that wonderful country a few times.. Id agree bout the Churches hold on the peoples psyche, with Fatima and the Apparitions, but right under their nose people are practising sympathetic magick, dont know if you have been to Fatima sabe or anya but I remember (and i may have said this before) But one thing I remember was seeing cues of people lining up with wax effigies of arms, legs, hands etc..representin the area of the body affected with illness or discease and throwing them into a massive fire pit to burn the illness up..amazing sight

I know what you mean, Oak. I've been there when I was younger. They will do it with the church's acceptance, since they are the ones selling those items, along with rosaries with earth from that place. Kind of makes us wonder, doesn't it?

Also, my grandfather from my mother's side was born in Torre, a small village near F?tima.

 

Yeah, that was the book. If it's purely Brazilian it's not worth my while getting it...

 

Now, welsh/portuguese words. Hmm, this is going to be tricky.

 

Chair is (hope my spelling is ok) cadeira in portugese, cadair in welsh.

Soup/stew is caldo in portuguese, cawl in Welsh - the pronounciation is almost identical if you just drop the 'do' in caldo.

 

There are loads of others but I suspect a lot of them are latin origin, not celtic, like pont = bridge, pasqua/pasc = easter, but there are some like cao/ci = dog and estrume/dom = manure, which are similar enough to suggest they were originally the same word.

 

Also there seem to be regional variations in spelling (traz to tras) for instance which is very similar to the way the welsh mutate word endings (p to b, c to g, b to f).

 

I just googled this too, which seems to suggest a link between welsh and portuguese celts.

 

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146413465

I want to learn Welsh, now. Among many other things. :loving:It's really cool to find a common ground with both our languages.

 

In the bit where I live, I haven't met *anyone* claiming to be anything like a witch, and very very few that don't claim to be catholic. Like you said, they seem to be too afraid to go against the church. But I had to laugh at a poster I saw last week - it was supposed to be advertising a soup festival and it showed a silhouette of what looked *exactly* like a witch stirring her cauldron, less the pointy hat. There is no doubt in my mind that the fairytale image of a traditional witch is based on the habits of the local old women! In fact, when I treated myself to a nice black shawl and tried it on to see what my family thought of my 'new look' they just said that I looked like Maria from next door. She even keeps a broomstick outside her front door! :witchbroom:

 

Their herbal knowledge is excellent too. If I bring a bag of 'weeds' back to give to the chickens, the neighbours will rummage through it and tell me what to put in the soup and what to give to the chickens, and if I ask them the name of a plant they will explain all it's uses at great length but never offer any name for it. I'm sure there's a wealth of information locked away in those old heads but I'm not sure how to get it out of them...:cry_witch:

Between 300 years of Inquisition and 30 years of Salazar (dictators are all around), no wonder the church still has so more power around here. I'm glad it's not as much as it used to, though.

 

I know what you mean about the herbal knowledge. I feel the same way. Although I spend every chance I get in the countryside, most of my life has been spent in the city, where you can't exactly access that kind of knowledge. For the soup, I wonder if the herbs were "nabi?as". They make a hell of a tasty soup.

 

I will do my best to take the information out of them (not in a violent way. lol) and share it with you (and whomever might want a piece of it as well). :wink:

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