Emptying the proverbial cup.
Posted 02 May 2018 - 03:38 PM
Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:33 AM
I think just keeping this insight at the forefront of your consciousness will go a long way to overcoming it, as much as is possible. I think sometimes we are largely unaware of how much we are influenced by our pre-conceived notions. On the one hand, it is our cumulative experiences that grant us wisdom. On the other hand, as we go along collecting input we create many "blocks" and mental "rules" which become the lens through which we experience and learn new things. Certainly the tint and granularity of the lens can prevent us as seeing things as they are. I was recently noting myself, this is not just true of study and "intentional" learning, but also our perception of self in general. For example, I had a pretty horrible experience with the Christian church, which I was recently pretty pissed off to realize is STILL influencing certain perceptions of mine on a subconscious level.
As far as intentional study, I have approached topics before by consciously choosing to try and go at it with the thought "lets assume everything I know about this may be wrong" then proceeding with the intent to not assume the new information is correct either, but as though everything I am reading is opinion and therefore, any concepts of interest should be looked into from several different angles and using as many sources and resources(including teachers human and not) as possible. That may be simplistic in a way- but it seems to work for me.
...From ev’ry depth of good and ill , The mystery which binds me still...— Poe
Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:26 PM
Thank you very much for your input, Oroboros. It's such a real analogy, what you say about the lenses we pick up to view the world through. It does chalk up to being a part of the human condition, doesn't it? In retrospect, my feeling that there is a big ugly wall of conditioning between me and 'Truth' is maybe just me really noticing and acknowledging the great big honking gulf of distance between what my brain processes concerning the natural world, and all of the unfathomables that it consists of in actuality that are less apparent in the day-to-day. The two-dimensional art of ancient Egyptian gods is telling; we are only presented with a particular view of Other, with the rest remaining a great mystery to be enjoyed, riddled out, or what have you.
Your simple way sounds like a good and practical one. Usually when met with an exciting or interesting new area of study, I just eat the whole hamburger and find out later where all of that new information actually lodged itself in my headspace. Not necessarily the best way about it. I might go back to some of the works that have been the most influential and inspirational for me and go through them again, more slowly, with as non-assumptive a process as I can muster.
Posted 06 May 2018 - 08:18 PM
For me furtherance mostly comes from asking and interacting with nature and/or light-trance-states/meditation (whatever one calls it). It seems to open me up a bit, as long as I am consistent with it. For now I am doing 20 minutes daily with respect to divinity, and after I move ad everything is out of boxes and life gets back to normal, hope to return to more in-depth nature and ancestor work. I speak with my ancestors daily - even if just to give them their coffee and say good morning - but among the boxes and empty shelves and the resulting chaos it is getting harder and harder to do anything other than keep packing and wait for the moving truck!
Posted 06 May 2018 - 08:20 PM
P.S. I have told my house I am moving, so it knows and anything that wants to come with me has an opportunity to do so. I also know the person moving in, and they have been introduced to the house and have been told of the little things it likes that make it happy :-) Just little things like that, living what I believe, seem to open doorways...
Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:50 AM
Thanks Michele, I appreciate the input. I'm grateful that I have had the freedom to carry on with a similar dedication; I have space and time set aside for familial reverence daily, though my outward expression to deity has been in a state of flux for about a month now. I've built up and tended to this aspect of my practice for several years now, and its paid off in more ways than I know. Thankfully, daily practice and stick-to-itiveness isn't much a problem for me at this stage in my life. I just need to not let all of the information I think I "know" get in the way of my ability to experience and see with clarity!
Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:35 PM
I found a reply to another thread (http://www.tradition...hl=+horned +god ) which I feel also serves as a hoppin good addition to this conversation, so I'll drop a borrowed quote here. Hope that's fine!
RapunzelGnome said, in regards to one inquiring of a 'horned god' vision in dream:
"We reach out to deity using the methods and traditions that we know will get the attention of certain entities to work with them. And we wait to see who shows up. One of the teachers in my tradition warns that if you've romanticized one of the gods or goddesses of our pantheon in your mind, the less likely they are to show up and work with you. It's going to be difficult for you to see them as they truly are (or have chosen to be in the moment) rather than how you've imagined them to be. Or perhaps you will close yourself off to the deity that wants to work with you because you are reaching out in earnest to a silent god who has no interest in your time and place. It's possible that whatever spirit or entity that wants to work with you took this guise of a Horned God because it knows it will get your attention and that you will recognize it as a helpful, powerful spirit by the horns you associate with Pan or Cernunnos."
Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:50 PM
Huh, now there is some synchronicity. I literally just read that thread this morning. Nice.
...From ev’ry depth of good and ill , The mystery which binds me still...— Poe
Posted 26 May 2018 - 02:40 PM
Focusing matters. Like my cat believes his bowl is completely empty and starvation is immanent if he can see a 1/4" area at the bottom that isn't covered with crunchies. That's 2-dimensional focus. If he'd focus on a larger field he'd see there's plenty of food to meet his needs. Obviously his brain can handle 3-D or he wouldn't be here. 4-D doesn't seem to be a problem for him either. He knows when it's feeding time.
Edited by Zombee, 26 May 2018 - 02:49 PM.
Posted 28 May 2018 - 12:11 PM
Oh, absolutely---"this OR that" thinking is the definition of self-limitation, and I try to keep on top of any compulsions to entertain dualism like that in my mind. That being said, dualistic thinking is very much a deeply-embedded way for many people, and I'm no exception; rewiring myself to effortlessly accept things under a "this AND that" lens has been a continuous source of growth for me, as its been an easy concept to understand intellectually, but integrating it into my reflexive thought processes has been a slower matter. I'm reminded now of the Buddhist notion of being liberated from attachments...the attachments to associations, in this case. I can see the Devil as simultaneously a wild and lusty beast and trickster and also as a wise teacher and a guide to deeper understanding and compassion. These associations touch on something deep in me, and so I am naturally attached to them, though I endeavor to free myself from the clinging to these particular attachments as they may limit my view. Emptying the cup or fetching a larger one...I feel like Master Ryutan could have suggested either to his guest and the meaning remain the very same, teacups just typically adhere to a pretty standardized size so the metaphor made the most sense as is. It's all about getting to a place of non-duality.
Posted 28 May 2018 - 03:21 PM
Edited by Zombee, 28 May 2018 - 03:32 PM.
Posted 28 May 2018 - 03:32 PM
Toad hopping is highly encouraged, lol. The concept of duality is an interesting and odd one for me. I personally hold to the belief that the duality principle has an important function in regards to humans being able to categorize and simplify matters for ease of communication and understanding, but beyond that, it's purely a construct that has lent itself to endless symbolism. Everything exists on a spectrum, and the spectrum has no terminating poles or extremities.
Posted 28 May 2018 - 03:56 PM
I think language probably evolved from observations of the physical realm. If you focus on 3-D dual polarity (as needed for survival) then those are the words you need to invent. The more we observe the more words we need. Y'know, like in English there's just one word for snow but the Inuit language has 8-9 words describing the quality of the snow itself. And English uses ice, slush and snow as separate things. Ayeee! There I go again. But now we have tools so we can observe the spectrum, and new words are needed for what has always been there but we couldn't see it. Primitives have observed it & Aussy aborigines call it the dream-time, which is the realm that holds everything...like the spectrum. When we program the dream time we program mass consciousness evolution.
Edited by Zombee, 28 May 2018 - 04:08 PM.
Posted 28 May 2018 - 07:20 PM
Of course, it is all grounded in our perspective and how fine-tuned our focus is in the given moment. I'm a person, but I'm also an amalgamation of parts and functions, which themselves can each also be divided into sub-parts containing cells each as complex as Tokyo and it goes on like so to the sub-atomic and beyond. I can say that one half of my body mirrors the other, but even there the perceived duality is an illusion; among other things, my right eye differs distinctly from my left, and my right hand is fine-tuned for detailed tasks the left would only carry out clumsily. Nature tends towards symmetry and utilitarianism, but I feel like the constancy of change and the prevalence of inconsistency nevertheless denies true dualism to exist anywhere beyond the simplifying ideals of human thought...the dualism which dictates objective differences between this and that and creates separation. It's these simplifications that I wish to dissolve from my reflexivity when I try to trance out and commune with Spirit; so that it may be precisely as it is and that I might see it as merely that, unfettered by preconceived notions.
Posted 28 May 2018 - 08:48 PM
Posted 28 May 2018 - 09:24 PM
Haha, in which case initiation could be taken as an intensive shortcut to the state that many Buddhists seek to achieve and maintain via contemplation and meditation. I do love when harmony is found in the core between practices.
Posted 01 June 2018 - 12:25 AM
My brain keeps coming back to duality as polarity. Something else about apparent dualities is the function of balance. This theme of balance runs through magical teachings. We balance the elements to get predictable results in spell casting. From personal experience i know when I've overlooked keeping the elements balanced, those are the spells that come back & bite me in the caboose. Energy moves from negative polarity to positive polarity. From what I can figure out, that's the reason for magical altar layouts having a negative/left and positive/right format, with the pentacle in the center of the altar to ground the poles & condense the power. The Western Occult school of thought practically runs on the theme of balanced polarities. Light/dark. Day/night. Over world/ Under world. Myths depict the underworld as the reverse of the mundane. To die in the earth plane is to be reborn in the underworld, and to die in the underworld is rebirth in the physical realm. Death is the opposite pole of life. Polarity is part of the observable cycles of Nature. Cycles or circles have opposite poles for balance. Like the wheel of the year; the calendar freeze-frames the orbit of the earth around the sun but it's always in motion. The earth wobbles on its axis and it's tilt toward or away from the sun gives us the opposing seasons. Winter Solstice is 6 months apart from the Summer Solstice. Samhain is 6 months from Beltane. So looked at in this way with polarity as a means to balance, the result is a wholistic fluid unity rather than a divided fracture. Nature's cycles are in motion. The fluid motion is what maintains balance. Grr! I'm seeing unity in polarity but can't find the right words.
Edited by Zombee, 01 June 2018 - 01:05 AM.
Posted 01 June 2018 - 01:59 PM
Posted 01 June 2018 - 07:32 PM
Edited by Zombee, 01 June 2018 - 07:34 PM.
Posted 01 June 2018 - 07:44 PM
Haha, yep, can't get the Buddhist out of this witch! Our conversation here prompts me to dedicate some meditative time to the concept of illusory personhood as it relates to spirits and divinity. Rabbit holes unending.