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#21 witchinplainsight

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 08:31 AM

As my name suggests I fly below the radar because I'm nothing like anyone's Hollywood idea of a witch. If I ever get rumbled it will be because of a dish of salt or the smell of sage! :-) It wouldn't go down well in my work at all and my family would think I was certifiable. My husband is bemused but tolerant so far.
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#22 sleepnheat

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 07:24 PM

Depending on who I am speaking with, I will hide it. On the list is my mother, town pastor (who is also my contractor), and my partner at work. Would just cause too much of a headache than it's worth. I have one co-worker who knows (also a witch) and my wife. But my wife only knows I study it, not that I am in full practice. She is still warming up to the idea.

I'm on the fence regarding the whole coven thing. Would be nice to learn some new stuff, but I really don't like organized religion (bad experience with the Christianity church).

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#23 RapunzelGnome

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 02:28 PM

I would immediately lose my job (for a Christian organization) ) if they found out about the witchcraft. Immediate firing, likely a big scandal. I've had the job for five years and only been a witch in hiding for a little over two years. The long term plan is to find a new career where I can be myself and not worried about losing my job, but a divorce and other complications have made that difficult. To be honest, I can't imagine another job that I would be as well suited for, or that puts me in such a great position to help people and do good in my community. I feel very "called" to this position and specifically equipped to excel in it,, even though I don't conform to the doctrine of the church that pays the paycheck. I often feel conflicted over that, but have reconciled it by knowing that the good I do outweighs the deception. In many ways, my shamanic practices in particular coincide with my duties at my job, but the Church would never use that language to describe it.

Living a "double life" sucks sometimes, but it feels worth it for multiple reasons. It keeps peace in my family and my community. For the time being, it keeps food on my table and a roof over my head. I would feel bad if I was profiting off the job lavishly, but I live just under the poverty line...I have enough, so I can't complain, but I don't feel like I'm taking advantage of anyone in this deception.

My esoteric life has brought me a greater fufillment than my former faith, and I'm blessed to have a small group of occultists in my life to give me community support....I don't think I would have made it through the last two years without them. It's not a coven, since we are all on different paths and there's no structured group/ritual hierarchy or anything like that. But we are there to hold space for other, talk about our progress and revelations, and help each other out in magical and mundane ways. Having a few people that I can be 100% honest with has been vital to me. I think a lot of witches join covens in hopes of finding that sort of authentic community among witches, but it can backfire with coven politics and dogma. The fact that we are all involved in different "flavors" of the occult is helpful....we are equals that agree to disagree on some things and learn and listen to each other with an open mind whenever possible.

My significant other practices chaos magic (emphasis on the chaos) and that has given my structured, traditional practice a completely new element to play with. It's a great balance between us and we help each other reach places we couldn't go to on our own.

I think a lot about what it would be life to be an "outted" witch, and I'm not sure I'll ever be there. At least, not in this town, not while
my parents are alive. But maybe someday. It would be nice to enjoy that sort of freedom of expression. But for now, I am embracing the fact that I'm carrying on a long tradition of witches that practice in secrecy, hiding "Easter eggs" of the esoteric in the guise of Christian faith. It doesn't hurt that I believe that there is some interesting gnostic truth in esoteric Christianity, veiled in allegory and Mysticism, hiding right under the noses of the evangelicals that take the scriptures so literally. If I can do my part to help them see the greater, deeper truths of the religion they claim as their own, then I've succeeded. If I can convince one judgemental bible thumper to follow the words of their own Christ and choose acts of love over political agendas and self-righteousness, then it's worth it to live in hiding over the ritual I practice in my own time.

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#24 Solanaceae

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:35 AM

Excellent post RG, thank you for bringing your insight to the conversation! 


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#25 Cameo

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:10 AM

It all depends who it is. My husband knows and is very supportive and join me in workings if I ask, but he tends to be more knowledge and less practice these days.  I met my best friend at a metaphysical shop.There are a handful of people in my apartment complex that know because we recognized similar paths in each other. Then of course, people in my local pagan community. I don't go around advertising, but I am not super closeted either. The majority of people don't know.

 

The person I want to tell the most is probably the one person I will never tell. It would wreck their world. Although, it is so tempting though to say, "I appreciate all the time you spend praying for my immortal soul, but I am everything you feared I would become, so please stop asking me what church I am attending, the answer isn't going to change." No one would benefit from it.


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#26 Tricycle

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 01:43 AM

I have a lovely Christian friend at the moment who is hell bent on finding out what I believe at the moment. I'm getting a lot of, 'what's changed?' Questions.

I think she would still accept me, but I'm not going to get into it, I don't think. I honestly don't understand why so many people feel that need to verify and pinpoint the exact beliefs of people in their lives complete with an official name for it? It feels very much like, 'well, what ARE you?' The answer is pretty simple; I'm the person I always have been.

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#27 Pazuzu

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 04:20 AM

I have a lovely Christian friend at the moment who is hell bent on finding out what I believe at the moment. I'm getting a lot of, 'what's changed?' Questions.
I think she would still accept me, but I'm not going to get into it, I don't think. I honestly don't understand why so many people feel that need to verify and pinpoint the exact beliefs of people in their lives complete with an official name for it? It feels very much like, 'well, what ARE you?' The answer is pretty simple; I'm the person I always have been.


Yeah, i dont get it either...

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#28 Llyr

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 10:23 AM

A lovely post RG thank you.

 

 

 

Everyone knows my views on religion and my views on energy. My family knows about my spirit work and know that I do spell work but I keep what I do with that private. My rituals are also private.

 

 

 

I dress just like everyone else and although people may think that I am a little bit strange in my views I don't think the idea of me being someone who practices a craft would even enter their minds. I don't live in a deeply religious area and so don't come under any type of scrutiny really. I live on top of a mountain and although there are houses around it is quite rural with lots of forests and valleys. So I guess I am not as open as I thought about the nuts and bolts of my practice when I think about it. As I currently stand in my journey I still don't call myself a witch or identify as one as such but that is just my view, but I do find that my views change often over time as I get ideas from this place and incorporate new things into my practice. I guess I am still evolving and digging away at my own path. I really don't like people telling me what I should and shouldn't do so I would never entertain the idea of a coven but I do love to read what others do on this forum and sometimes I think wow what a fab idea and take elements to adapt to my practice.


Edited by Llyr, 18 August 2017 - 10:24 AM.

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#29 MuireAnne

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 07:16 PM

Like many others here, I live in the bible belt in a very conservative county. There is literally a Baptist church on every street corner (and then some). I keep to myself, to put it lightly! No one besides my husband knows what I am, and even he doesn't know everything. I wish I could tell my mother but it would break her heart. She's VERY Christian.

But at the same time, I live my life the way I want to. I have a little cottage garden full of herbs and other magical plants. I have a cabinet full of jars of dried plants and potions that I use to make medicine for me and my family. My house is full of plants and rocks and seashells and such. I don't leave esoteric books or tarot cards lying out, but if someone has suspicions or ideas about what I am, then that's fine. I can't concern myself too much with what other people think of me. I have much more interesting things to concern myself with ;)

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#30 Ozman

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 10:30 AM

If someone shows a serious interest in the occult or witchcraft then I will tell them and give them some pointers if I can. For the most part I keep it to myself, no use in flasing it in peoples faces, I don't need to be burned or martyrd. 


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#31 OwlSerpent

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 07:59 PM

I too like most here keep it to myself. My partner knows but knows nothing of the how's, why's... I like the secrecy but also I'm a little paranoid of a Molotov cocktail, although highly unlikely!
I am getting to the point though where I'd like a clandestine coven.

Turns out I have been seen but had no idea. Last year I was visiting family, me and my mother were performing the red meal in her back garden. I only found out because a few months later her neighbor asked about it. I've spoken to him a few times since then and he hasn't said a word. Apparently he was at the bottom of his garden (this is about 11pm in winter) and we come out. We start our rite and now hes intrigued and nervous so stays at the bottom of his garden in the dark watching. Then doesn't say a word for months :D

Edited by OwlSerpent, 06 November 2018 - 10:56 PM.

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#32 Onyx

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 10:00 PM

My friends and family know I'm a Witch, I don't hide it but I don't go around spreading the news. Pearls before swine and all that rot! I just tell people I'm interested in the Occult.
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#33 Symbiot

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 07:30 PM

I have been known to be interested in the occult and shamanism for years.  what they dont know is im a full on spell casting witch!  and no one needs to know either, that is my advantage i will keep to myself...

 

I have discussed it only with my best friend who is a shamanic practitioner and generally very helpful and supportive of my path

 

My ex wife knew, and had a habit of bursting in on me during times of ritual, even when she was asleep, i would go off and she would somehow wake up and find me, just give me a dissaproving look and walk off.  not good mojo about it from her.  Sometimes she was interested and other times thought it was bad.  She comes from a highly christianised household and her father is always telling us to find jesus lol.

 

throughout our relationship i never once casted a spell on her, and am very careful to cast spells on people but rather prefer to cast spells that improve myself.  That said one time i got into a bit of an affair like relationship  (not sexual intercourse but everything else) (deeply regret this action) with this girl who was singing with my band.  she was also interested in witchcraft, and i discussed withougt much detail the fact that I am a witch.     

 

Things went sour when she began to interfere with relationship with wife, and cause all kinds of angry and jelous feelings.  I had to banish her presence from my life.  I did a pretty hardcore ritual for this.  nothing hexing against her, but just to remove her presence and all communication from my life.

 

It worked, no kidding 1 week later she actually hitched a ride out of town and has been gone ever since.  fast forward 1 year....

Until my wife left, then despite my better judgement, i actually reached out to her again.  she came back to town to visit, but our metting did not go well lol.... wonder if some of the lingering effects of the spell had anything to do with it.  it was ackward and she left after a few hours instead of staying the weekend as planned.

 

but her feelings on the matter matter not, im on my own path now!

 

sorry for all the unrelated to topic stuff.  just wanting to explain myself to you witches


Edited by Symbiot, 31 October 2018 - 07:59 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 11:03 PM

I'm sorry things did not go well for you and your wife. It is a tricky thing to deal with. Some people just cannot understand witchcraft and believe that it is evil.
I get all sorts of questions about my pinterest board, it is full of witchy things,spells, pictures, and the like. I figure if you don't like looking at it, don't follow me.
My relatives figure I'm going nuts in my old age. They keep asking me why I like wearing Black, I tell them "If they invent a darker color, I'll wear it".

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#35 FrozenThunderbolt

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 05:19 AM

"If they invent a darker color, I'll wear it".

It's called VantaBlack. It's so dark (black) that it abosrbs everything excpt 0.035% of visible light.


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#36 Lucea's Child

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 10:09 PM

I am very private about it.  There are a lot of reason why that works for me.  I am part of one coven and run another one.  Despite this, and teaching various classes, I am very under the radar and I work under a pseudonym.  One non-witchy friend knows about me and that's it.  I run in several circles at once and keep them quite separated.  Generally I think I'll always be of the opinion that it's not something to be advertised.  But to each his own.  So many of my friends are very "out". 


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#37 WinterMeudwy

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 11:55 PM

I am definitely a solitary witch, I always thought hedgewitches were innately solitary but I have heard of a coven of hedgewitches, so just shows each find their own style!

 

I'm out as a witch, definitely, but prefer to keep practice very solitary. I did, when I lived in my previous town at the other end of the country, have a couple of witch friends. They were very different on their paths, but I did enjoy having witches around just because they "got" it and it was good to get insights on different things. I don't have that now and I do miss it. I wouldn't want to join a coven as I feel that wouldn't really suit my practice, but a group to just have a coffee and chat would be nice!


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#38 Onyx

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 07:24 PM

It's called VantaBlack. It's so dark (black) that it abosrbs everything excpt 0.035% of visible light.


Now that sounds interesting! I will be looking out for that.

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#39 Symbiot

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Posted 15 November 2018 - 11:00 PM

so dark..... it sucks your soul right up!


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Posted 16 November 2018 - 08:30 PM

Perfect for your Cloak of Invisibility.
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