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#1 Ravenshaw

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 07:04 AM

An interesting paper discussing the possibility of second sight being passed down genetically. It's a scientific approach to the reported phenomenon, and comes off as a fairly balanced paper. I did not look into the references, however, and it's a bit old (1999).

 

https://koestlerunit...6/cohn-1999.pdf


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Posted 26 December 2016 - 07:49 AM

Very interesting. I’m currently in the middle of The Visions of Isobel Gowdie, so the references to early Scottish second sight was interesting.

 

One thing that caught my notice was his comparing it to the idea that musical talent is genetic.  Must studies I read (back when I was still studying music in college) showed that there was probably a genetic connection, but it could not predict the level of musicianship the student would accomplish; only the amount of practicing could predict that. So even if a student with perfect pitch, born to a family of people with perfect pitch, had an inherited gift for music, if they didn’t put the time into practicing, they would never be as good as the person from a non-musical family who practiced his scales and etudes every day. (But on the other hand, someone born without the ability to distinguish pitch would never become a good musician, no matter how hard they practiced.)

 

It looked like the author excluded anyone with occult leanings or anyone who considered themselves a medium from the study, and I wonder if that then excluded people who actively practiced and worked on their second sight. It’s a very interesting subject, and I would be fascinated to read further studies that looked at people who practiced their gifts, versus those who don’t but report second sight, and the family backgrounds of the two groups.


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#3 Oroboros

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 03:37 PM

I just learned last night that my brother has been experiencing spirit activity in his home. (Not second sight I realize.) However my brother is a 53yo man with tattoos down both arms, up his neck, has always been part of a motorcycle club, owns at least one Harley at all times and is a true badass!:) I would have never guessed he had given anything to do with "other" much of a second thought. I find this interesting because while I think it's common for a lot of people to have one story that either happened to themselves or someone they know. Apparently there is some pretty weird shit going on at my bros house too.
Why I found this relevant to this topic is the fact that, prior generations as far back as I know of on my mother's side have ALSO been "haunted" at various times and fairly significantly. Up until last night I thought I was the only one in this generation sensitive to such things- but apparently not. Hell, the only reason I know this now is bro confided it to our mother:). Ergo, I am thinking that being sensitive to spirits runs in the family too.
He thinks he is currently being "haunted" by a good friend that died last year in a bike accident. I HOPE that's who it is! :)

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 07:08 AM

Yes, very interesting topic! I've actually been thinking a lot lately about examples of the second sight in my family. My mother has had many "visits" from relatives after they've died as I have myself. My grandmother died at 29, leaving my mother behind at three years old. So we don't know much about her. But on her death bed she had a number of clairvoyant experiences.


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Posted 27 December 2016 - 06:28 PM

My parents were spooked out by anything psychic, so wouldn't discuss it, but hints were that both my grandmother's lineages had histories of something...enough to bother my folks to not want to give details. But I note, it was both grandmothers. Genetic or social influences?

Edited by Zombee, 27 December 2016 - 06:29 PM.

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#6 westofthemoon

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 09:05 PM

Sounds legit. I should preface this by stating that we don't have the second sight in my line, but we do have psychic abilities. According to family lore, it comes down through the maternal line and is usually the eldest daughter. We aren't Scottish though.

I thought that the "mating preference" bit was interesting, as my partner definitely is "tuned in" to my frequency as well as other people's (although he wouldn't recognize it as psychic).

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:31 PM

Bumping this thread for further discussion!

I am convinced that the ability to channel spiritual energies through the body does have a genetic component, as the ability to distinguish pitch. As sensitivity does run in my family. I have a hypothesis that sensitivity and psychic abilities is a result of your body’s ability to channel or act as a conduit for these energies better than the average person. I also believe that this channeling ability can be built and strengthened through practice and dedication.

My great grandmother was a medium, and my aunt is empathic, as well as her daughter. Though as far as I know I’m the only one who’s taken to anything witchy, and the topics of things like this itself aren’t given attention by my family.

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 05:27 PM

Bumping this thread for further discussion!

I am convinced that the ability to channel spiritual energies through the body does have a genetic component, as the ability to distinguish pitch. As sensitivity does run in my family. I have a hypothesis that sensitivity and psychic abilities is a result of your body’s ability to channel or act as a conduit for these energies better than the average person. I also believe that this channeling ability can be built and strengthened through practice and dedication.

My great grandmother was a medium, and my aunt is empathic, as well as her daughter. Though as far as I know I’m the only one who’s taken to anything witchy, and the topics of things like this itself aren’t given attention by my family.

 

My mom's side of the family is Irish, and she believed that she had second sight and that it was inherited from that side of the family.  I am not sure where she got that idea, but I suspect she may have had an aunt or cousin that could "see" things beyond the norm - or thought they could - and she picked up on it as a characteristic she wanted for herself. 

 

The reason I say this is, to be honest, I cannot recall anything my mom ever shared with me that indicated she had second sight.  Most of the time the subject would come up when she would call me on the phone out of the blue about something she had just "felt."  Since most of her incidents of "clairvoyance" were in the form of "I just had a  feeling you were having a terrible time or in danger, is everything okay?"  it put me into the really bizarre position of having to continually "disappoint" my mother by replying "no, nothing odd or bad is going on here, mom...?"  LOL

 

I do have second sight, and while I do not doubt that this sort of thing can "run in families," in my own family, I cannot make a solid connection between second sight and those who came before me and my own children (now in their late 30s) have shown no signs of it themselves.  So I believe that it can be hereditary, but it is not always hereditary. 


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 08:17 PM

The second sight, also a term used by the Scots, usually just called "The Sight" I have it, usually a few seconds before the act usually happens. The words come out my mouth and then it happens, maybe I'm just better at seeing an outcome than others. But the statement that "I knew that was going to happen" comes out often.
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 12:06 AM

The gift of prescience; I believe that I have it to a certain extent; perhaps it's just listening to that other voice; that little voice ; which is so easy to dismiss or ignore . :crystal-gazing:


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Posted 23 November 2019 - 06:31 PM

Yes, the little voice! You have to listen carefully.
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 08:06 PM

When some thought comes to my mind, I never spell it out, mainly it is not a good things. But I know it should be so. Not right away, not tomorrow or the day after, but it will be so anyway.


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#13 FancyShadowCat

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 06:47 PM

My mom's side of the family is Irish, and she believed that she had second sight and that it was inherited from that side of the family. I am not sure where she got that idea, but I suspect she may have had an aunt or cousin that could "see" things beyond the norm - or thought they could - and she picked up on it as a characteristic she wanted for herself.

The reason I say this is, to be honest, I cannot recall anything my mom ever shared with me that indicated she had second sight. Most of the time the subject would come up when she would call me on the phone out of the blue about something she had just "felt." Since most of her incidents of "clairvoyance" were in the form of "I just had a feeling you were having a terrible time or in danger, is everything okay?" it put me into the really bizarre position of having to continually "disappoint" my mother by replying "no, nothing odd or bad is going on here, mom...?" LOL

I do have second sight, and while I do not doubt that this sort of thing can "run in families," in my own family, I cannot make a solid connection between second sight and those who came before me and my own children (now in their late 30s) have shown no signs of it themselves. So I believe that it can be hereditary, but it is not always hereditary.

I’m surprised your mom hasn’t taken to a witchy practice like yourself if she seems to desire those abilities so much. My father is the same way.. he thinks he’s an empath yet has not experienced any empathic phenomenon.. he’s one of those fluffy love and light new agers who desire to be empathic as it’s the most ‘compassionate and love-and-light’ of all spiritual gifts. And it annoys me to no end.
Empathy also runs in the family on his side so that might be part of it lol. His sister has it as I mentioned above.

-edited to add the last little tidbit

Edited by FancyShadowCat, 24 November 2019 - 06:49 PM.

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#14 woodwitchofthewest

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 08:26 PM

I’m surprised your mom hasn’t taken to a witchy practice like yourself if she seems to desire those abilities so much. My father is the same way.. he thinks he’s an empath yet has not experienced any empathic phenomenon.. he’s one of those fluffy love and light new agers who desire to be empathic as it’s the most ‘compassionate and love-and-light’ of all spiritual gifts. And it annoys me to no end.
Empathy also runs in the family on his side so that might be part of it lol. His sister has it as I mentioned above.
 

 

My mom was one of those folks who believed that being "Christian" meant you were a good person.  And, not being "Christian" meant you were a bad person.  (That - and other reasons - are why I never told her about my personal beliefs.)  So I'm not surprised she didn't take up anything overtly pagan or witchy.  But I think you are right that a lot of people do.  It doesn't really bother me unless they try to get into my business and tell me how I'm doing everything wrong.  But they are sometimes very difficult to be around, because they often come across as smug.  THAT does bother me! 
 


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#15 FancyShadowCat

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 11:05 PM

My mom was one of those folks who believed that being "Christian" meant you were a good person. And, not being "Christian" meant you were a bad person. (That - and other reasons - are why I never told her about my personal beliefs.) So I'm not surprised she didn't take up anything overtly pagan or witchy. But I think you are right that a lot of people do. It doesn't really bother me unless they try to get into my business and tell me how I'm doing everything wrong. But they are sometimes very difficult to be around, because they often come across as smug. THAT does bother me!


Some might consider hereditary spiritual gifts be be ‘witch blood’, though I think it’s very strange that families with ‘witch blood’ can be so afraid of witchy things. My father again, is very similar in that respect. My dad is a catholic, and thought that anyone practicing magic turns ‘dark’ because it’s evil. He had a COW when he found out what I was into. Didn’t stop me and my younger sister hehehe...

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 11:59 PM

The reluctance to tell anyone that you have the sight would be self preservation lest you be outed as a witch. Persecution by the church is still feared by people.
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Posted 25 November 2019 - 04:00 AM

The reluctance to tell anyone that you have the sight would be self preservation lest you be outed as a witch. Persecution by the church is still feared by people.

 

Yes, and people who have never experienced it and don't believe in it tend to write you off as nuts.  Which makes life a lot more ... difficult.  


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Posted 25 November 2019 - 04:13 AM

For example, I knew the morning of the Challenger explosion that something bad was going to happen.  I was a big shuttle fan - once traveled to watch one land at Lake Edwards, and after we moved to Texas, I used to watch all of the shuttle launches and landings on TV.  But that morning I turned the TV and radio off, and refused to watch or listen because I didn't think I could handle seeing something bad happening live.  My mom called me a few minutes after the explosion with the news.  

 

So, try telling that to a room of average folks.  What would their reactions be?  Most would think I was deliberately lying.  Some would think I was just nuts. Very few would consider that I experienced this just as I said I did, and even then would likely be very uncomfortable about it.  You can bet dollars to donuts that my relationship with these folks would never be the same, and might never really recover from my unfortunate attempt to share something rather extraordinary with them.  

 

That is why I just don't talk about it with most folks.  


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Posted 25 November 2019 - 05:29 PM

I woke up one morning and asked my husband if Nelson Mandela was dead, then it came on the news, yes he was.
I woke up early one morning, knew something was wrong, turned on the telly and saw the airplane hit the towers, what the hell!

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Posted 25 November 2019 - 05:45 PM

I woke up one morning and asked my husband if Nelson Mandela was dead, then it came on the news, yes he was.
I woke up early one morning, knew something was wrong, turned on the telly and saw the airplane hit the towers, what the hell!

 

Thank you for sharing this!  I wish it was more acceptable for people to be open about these things, but it's not.  I think some folks are afraid, some jealous, some just don't believe and think others are weird who do.   But I learned a long time ago that "there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio... "


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