Resurrection of Animals
Posted 26 November 2016 - 02:18 AM
(see pg. 133-135 Ecstacies...)
Is anyone aware of books or articles giving modern day reconstructed ritual practices of this resurrection of the animals? And of it's significance? This really strikes a familiar ping on my radar and I want to know more about it. And in particular, of any association with Ellen of the Ways, if any. Ellen is important to me from my own "ecstatic" experiences through trance and I'm looking for confirmation.
Thanks in advance.
Posted 26 November 2016 - 07:50 AM
Im sorry I do not have anything worth while to contribute to your question, but... Overall, was this book as fascinating as it sounds? Anything that does comparisons of ritual and magic practice across unconnected early civilizations is an interest of mine.
I hold the belief that these seemingly impossible similarities across cultures that were in very little communication with each other reflects TRUTH that was revealed to these peoples, and therefore makes it quite valuable.
...From ev’ry depth of good and ill , The mystery which binds me still...— Poe
Posted 26 November 2016 - 02:54 PM
Zombee: This is not exactly on par with what you are looking for, but reading your post brought the practice of reddening the bone and its many variations to mind.
And I also am very interested to hear your review on this book. It sounds excellent. Sorry I couldn't be of more help in answering your question.
Posted 26 November 2016 - 07:59 PM
Ginzburg mentions that the battles are reported by men, while women report games, and then the Shamanic links of various cultures get a sentence or even a paragraph. The references are reported, not researched or interpreted. He looks at the society's mind-set that produces the concepts. He has lengthy notes, sites his sources, etc., like any scholarly text. It is slow going.
Ravenshaw, reddening the bones did come to mind as a direct connection to resurrection from the bones. He frustratingly cannot provide the rituals because the trial court recorders either were forbidden to record them, or omitted/deleted them from the public records. Sometimes the original records are lost and he works from reconstructed translations.
Another thing I was thinking was that he recorded that mostly women reported the wild hunt and encountering the deceased, and he questioned why...totally missing that it is often the women in rural societies who washed and wrapped the dead to prepare bodies for burial. So I wonder if this is due to division of labor, that while the brawny men dig a hole, or build a scaffold for burning, the women prep the body. Or is it deity related?
He clearly associated women with funereal deities and the wild hunt, and goddesses of wild animals, and men with game hunting and agriculture. He did note that resurrection from bones is present in Euroasian Shamanic cultures, and absent from Celtic.
Edited by Zombee, 26 November 2016 - 08:17 PM.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 03:28 AM
Posted 28 November 2016 - 03:22 PM
I recall the member Scylla, who is inactive as far as I know, talking about this:
This has some of what you're looking for insofar as ecstatic experiences in shamanism, correlated with animals...interesting read:
Ridington, Robin, and Tonia Ridington. “The Inner Eye of Shamanism and Totemism.” History of Religions, vol. 10, no. 1, 1970, pp. 49–61. http://www.jstor.org/stable/1061822
We also had a member who ensouled an animal skull, and had some interesting experiences. I can't recall who, however, or if any of that was actually posted.
I found this article interesting as well:
Morgenstern, Julian. “The Bones of the Paschal Lamb.” Journal of the American Oriental Society, vol. 36, 1916, pp. 146–153. www.jstor.org/stable/592675
I know in Chinese lore, a part of the soul is said to reside in the bones after death. Speaking of humans here, I'm not sure about animals, or whom to ask about that.
How wide are you wanting to cast your net here? I'm seeing lots of questions, trying to focus, heh.
Edited by Aurelian, 28 November 2016 - 04:13 PM.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 05:04 PM
Ellen of the Ways is associated with reindeer (female reindeer have horns), Reindeer trods or migration routes, and ley lines.... And she is what directed me to witchcraft30 years ago. So it's a personal quest, looking for validation.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 05:38 PM
Of course. I wasn't sure who Elen was, so I focused on other questions. Glad I could provide some things worth reading. Scylla's post really is beautiful. I wish she still hung around here.
Edited by Aurelian, 28 November 2016 - 06:04 PM.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 09:37 PM
And some happy news, 2 chapters further into the Ecstacies book, Ginzburg specifically sites reindeer Shamanic resurrection rituals. That may be as close as I can get to Elen. (one L, even though misspell with 2).