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#41 Anara

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 05:38 PM

Anara & RoseRed:
ENOUGH! Either keep your comments to the OP or shut the fuck up.


ok, MW. Sounds good to me.

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#42 Aina

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 05:41 PM

Another one by Sarah Anne Lawless (just finished reading) is For Fear of Flying.
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 03:52 PM

Coming across this article again is quite timely for this thread. I think it's an excellent write up on the mechanics of hedgewitchery, astral travel, etc. These things can be so difficult to put into words and the author is good at doing that.

Walking Between Worlds http://sarahannelawl...between-worlds/


The following is from the 1st paragraph:

"...The ability to walk between worlds is found in both witchcraft and shamanism as well as ancient Pagan religions (especially those with ecstatic cults). It is experiential and cannot be taught to someone without the innate ability. It is something either you can do or cannot do. This is not folk magic - not everyone can walk between worlds. Certain factors predispose ability such as being caul-born, being born with the second-sight, a traumatic experience or near-death experience, being chosen by the spirits and granted the ability, and such-like".

From what I've read on Shaman Sickness, this ties in with that - certain people being called to Shamanism. So I'm assuming there are certain people who are called toward hedgecrossing?

The second question is in regard to the third paragraph - Crossing in the Body: When you cross in your body, you have "a foot in both worlds". She states that "Your soul is still in your body but all your senses are in the otherworld..."

My question is, do you still sense things in this world as well? During the meditation journey - I don't remember if I could sense anything in this realm or not. That one was well-defined. I was pulled in rather quickly. But the journey I had between the wakeful/sleep state, I swear I could feel a pain in my leg in this realm, but not in the otherworld.

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#44 ArcticWitch

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 04:56 PM

My question is, do you still sense things in this world as well?


It depends. When I use herbs to cross over, it seems that I am completely gone from my body and this "reality": every single sense is in the Other. When I don't do herbs, typically my senses seemed dulled in the Other and I may be vaguely aware of my earthly physical environment/body.

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#45 Aina

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 05:55 PM

It depends. When I use herbs to cross over, it seems that I am completely gone from my body and this "reality": every single sense is in the Other. When I don't do herbs, typically my senses seemed dulled in the Other and I may be vaguely aware of my earthly physical environment/body.


That's interesting - the difference with herbs and without. I've never used anything before so I'm sure if I'd have the same reaction or not. It makes sense, seeing that you're in both realms at the same time, that you senses would be dulled in both realms as well.

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 05:00 AM

From my personal experience, I agree that the method of crossing effects the entire trip. I've used various herbs and things, as well as disciplines of one type or another. I like knowing that I have a little control over the intensity. There are bridges that I haven't crossed in the last decade, because I may at any moment need to return to waking consciousness for parental duties. Mom doesn't have eight consecutive hours to spend... on anything, really.
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Posted 22 January 2016 - 11:39 AM

I hear that.
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Posted 22 January 2016 - 10:16 PM

I'm going to buy the Witches' Flying Ointment next week to see what benefit I get from it.
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Posted 23 January 2016 - 04:01 AM

The following is from the 1st paragraph:

"...The ability to walk between worlds is found in both witchcraft and shamanism as well as ancient Pagan religions (especially those with ecstatic cults). It is experiential and cannot be taught to someone without the innate ability. It is something either you can do or cannot do. This is not folk magic - not everyone can walk between worlds. Certain factors predispose ability such as being caul-born, being born with the second-sight, a traumatic experience or near-death experience, being chosen by the spirits and granted the ability, and such-like".



I don't know if I agree with the supposition that there are specific predisposed "factors" to be able to do it (too much of "special snowflake-ness" in that idea for me), it reminds of that idiotic list she wrote about what makes a witch. I will be the first person to hold my hand up and say that I have had and still do in some cases, extreme difficulty in crossing the hedge. I wasn't caul-born, or had a near death experience - or any of that type of thing (though I was 8 weeks premmie) so like any other person, I've had to work at it. And it in no way negates the extremely powerful experiences I have had while doing so. It has changed my perspective on a lot of things - I'm not even sure I could describe what it is that I've experienced. I am a hedge witch - did I feel a call to it? Not to start with, it was more of a natural progression of my path, I started over there and ended up here but my practice is heavily based in the Green which includes the use of and interaction with herbs, land spirits, Chthonic beings I can't even put a name to and a deeper understanding of the currents in the earth and how we're connected.

I use herbs sometimes, other times not. Actually one of my most powerful experiences was being yanked into the Otherwold while having a bath (Clary Sage and Lavender scented the water - not for any metaphysical reason but for relaxation reasons), I wasn't prepared, I wasn't even necessarily thinking about it but those that had something to say wanted to say it there and then. Got tonsillitis for like 4 weeks after that - though I do think my rather cute toddler nephew was in part responsible for that. So I think everyone's experiences differ and everyone's approach is all rather individual but I do wish you luck with the flying ointment!

Edited by Stacey, 23 January 2016 - 04:03 AM.

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 05:25 PM

This is such an interesting thread. I know it's a couple of years old but my first shamanic journey two guides appeared to me in the form of birds who became human and took a human form. After that first journey I only ever see human figures in the middle world when searching for info or healing or when I saw a spirit in the upper world. I never see humans in the lower world, it's a very different landscape there and my guide always has an animal form.

 

Aine I think at the start you talked about digging into the ground. When I read it I thought it was very shamanic - we were taught to find the entrance into the earth to go to the lower world. I only did a taster journey to meet my guide at a workshop, then did a lot of work on my own which made it harder. Entering the earth was difficult - I could get in but never seemed to come out. I got bogged down at the tunnel stage. In the end it was a guide or shadow self who helped me. She literally threw me down inside a tree trunk and I popped straight out in the lower world. For me the tunnel was an obstruction and it helped when I was dropped straight down in. I do believe this was help from spirit and I have an affinity for this sort of work so I've had more training since. So while I believe these are skills open to all people to some degree, I do believe that this is where some people have natural abilities, just as others have a green thumb or a talent for mediumship.

 

I never take substances to enter the otherworld - just drumming. I tried mugwort once out of curiosity and it just made me feel sleepy. For me I believe that my guide spirit helps me work in this way. I just wish he would help me keep plants alive as I love herbalism but can't keep my plants thriving! :carrot:


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