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#1 OCEANOS

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 08:14 AM

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This deck is breathtaking, simply gorgeous! 36 major arcana cards of beautiful arts. Definitely a collector deck with 14 new major arcana cards added to the original 22 major arcana cards.

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#2 Autumn Moon

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 03:36 PM

14 new major arcana cards! Where can I see the deck, and who sells it?

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 04:17 PM

Hm, call me a stickler for tradition but how can you have 14 new extra major arcana cards? A tarot deck has an established set of major and minor arcana cards. Sorry sounds like another oracle deck trying to pass itself off as a tarot deck.

To me that sounds like one of the playing card decks that's all face cards and then trying to pass it off as a regular 52 card deck because it has bicycle or rider on the back cover.

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 06:30 PM

14 new major arcana cards! Where can I see the deck, and who sells it?

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I bought this deck in Spain. Cost quite abit because it is a collector deck.

Hm, call me a stickler for tradition but how can you have 14 new extra major arcana cards? A tarot deck has an established set of major and minor arcana cards. Sorry sounds like another oracle deck trying to pass itself off as a tarot deck.

To me that sounds like one of the playing card decks that's all face cards and then trying to pass it off as a regular 52 card deck because it has bicycle or rider on the back cover.


I have not use it yet, the new 14 major arcana supposedly comes from the lost keys and wordings in the original 22 major arcana.

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:23 PM

While I definitely think it's gorgeous, I agree w/Monsno about sticking to tradition- for traditional tarot at least.
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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:24 PM

I wanna see more pictures of it though!! Seriously. :)
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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:38 PM

Me too...especially the additional 14 major arcana. I find it difficult to justify 14 more MA cards.
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Posted 06 May 2015 - 01:01 AM

Does seem a bit much

I tried to google this deck, looked on amazon, all sorts of shite...to no avail. I really want to know why the creators of this deck felt the need for all the new MA cards, and what they were, and their meanings. The pics do not show all the cards, which made me feel like I needed to look. I can't make any judgements about the deck one way or the other without more info.

That being said, I'm a one-deck kinda girl. I'm certainly not a collector by any means and I truly love and feel attached to the deck I am currently using.

If more info about the deck could be posted I would appreciate it. I really don't see any need for new MA cards, like I said, but now I am simply curious as to what is up with that.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 01:20 AM

Does seem a bit much

I tried to google this deck, looked on amazon, all sorts of shite...to no avail. I really want to know why the creators of this deck felt the need for all the new MA cards, and what they were, and their meanings. The pics do not show all the cards, which made me feel like I needed to look. I can't make any judgements about the deck one way or the other without more info.

That being said, I'm a one-deck kinda girl. I'm certainly not a collector by any means and I truly love and feel attached to the deck I am currently using.

If more info about the deck could be posted I would appreciate it. I really don't see any need for new MA cards, like I said, but now I am simply curious as to what is up with that.



I couldn't find anything else on it either.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 01:53 AM

I wanna see more pictures of it though!! Seriously. :smile:


Me too...especially the additional 14 major arcana. I find it difficult to justify 14 more MA cards.



I will take some photos and post them later, will take awhile as I have to upload them to my bucket first.

Does seem a bit much

I tried to google this deck, looked on amazon, all sorts of shite...to no avail. I really want to know why the creators of this deck felt the need for all the new MA cards, and what they were, and their meanings. The pics do not show all the cards, which made me feel like I needed to look. I can't make any judgements about the deck one way or the other without more info.

That being said, I'm a one-deck kinda girl. I'm certainly not a collector by any means and I truly love and feel attached to the deck I am currently using.

If more info about the deck could be posted I would appreciate it. I really don't see any need for new MA cards, like I said, but now I am simply curious as to what is up with that.


I couldn't find anything else on it either.


As I mentioned before in chatroom not everything can be googled, informations from google not necessary are of validity. I will post some more photos of this deck.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 02:12 AM

I'd love that thank you! :) Is it an individual deck- meaning is it a one of a kind from an artist who only literally made a deck or two?
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Posted 06 May 2015 - 04:19 AM

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The additional new 14 major arcana of this deck which complement the traditional 22.


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Posted 06 May 2015 - 04:25 AM

I'd love that thank you! :smile: Is it an individual deck- meaning is it a one of a kind from an artist who only literally made a deck or two?


I don't think so but this is a special silver gilded edition published by independent occult press. They have a wooden box with their artwork on it to keep the deck but I did not buy it.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 07:54 AM

I found a few links Monsno, RL and AM! :smile: EVERYTHING can be Googled... :wink: Some links are long bc I went ahead and ran them through a translator for you all.

YouTube video:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.aglaya.es/tarot-los-antiguos.html&prev=search (Discusses the new major arcana)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://museodeltarot.blogspot.com/2011/03/tarot-de-los-antiguos.html&prev=search (Another discussion of the deck's meaning(s).

Facebook collection/photos: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.132040203532014.22217.107701715965863

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdivinosabat.es%2Fdistro%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_k2%26view%3Ditem%26id%3D21%3Ataller-de-iniciacion-al-tarot-de-los-antiguos&sandbox=1

http://www.bohindra.com/articulos/cartas-tarot-de-los-antiguos-009939210/60302/ looks like it's available for purchase here and here http://www.mercamania.es/a/listado_productos/idx/3091000/mot/Miguel/listado_productos.htm

And here's the Amazon link @RL http://www.amazon.com/TAROT-LOS-ANTIGUOS-ANCIENT-CARDS/dp/8493778133

http://36cartasdeltarot.blogspot.com/p/english.html

http://www.avalonesoterismo.com/?page_id=9318

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/tarot/database/spanish/record23.html

Here's a couple of links on the artist himself. The links are longer bc I had the pages translated for your convenience.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=es&u=http://www.artmajeur.com/en/artist/melgarejo/portfolio&usg=ALkJrhi4n6IEXnzsL3v4eK7wwGD3WoIwGA

http://www.artmajeur.com/en/artist/melgarejo/artist/miguel-angel-lopez-melgarejo/163615/biography

https://m2.facebook.com/profile.php?id=345473925600

http://www.artmajeur.com/en/artist/melgarejo/portfolio

http://www.melgarejoartist.com/MelgarejoArtist/Inicio.html

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NEW ARCANOS
Arcanum XXIII. THE MASK.
Arcanum XXIV. LOVE.
Arcanum XXV. CROSS COUNTRY.
Arcanum XXVI. CONSCIOUSNESS.
Arcanum XXVII. THE POWER.
Arcanum XXVIII. FREEDOM.
Arcanum XXX. THE SIGNIFICANCE.
Arcanum XXXI. THE IMAGINATION.
Arcanum XXXII. THE WILL.
Arcanum XXXIII. FAITH.
Arcanum XXXIV. THE SILENCE.
Arcanum XXXV. THE WAY.

Arcanum XXXVI. THE END-THE BEGINNING.

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We cannot teach people anything; we can only help them discover it within themselves~ Galileo

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 07:56 AM

You're welcome...... :biggrin2:
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Posted 06 May 2015 - 11:17 AM

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Here is the rest of the photos I took of the new 14 major arcana of this deck as promised.


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Posted 06 May 2015 - 01:14 PM

Sad really 14 new cards to convey things that are already covered and conveyed with the traditional greater arcana if you know how to read them. But have to admit it lost all credibility when it used "Karma" as one of the purposes for consciousness. A word and concept that comes from eastern mysticism and would not have been around and especially not using that word to tie it back to the old pallor game from which tarot is believed to have originated.

Thanks for the links bewitchingredhead. Myself I got tired of trying to figure out what the actual deck name was.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 02:57 PM

Oh, knock it off. You're being grouchy. :D

It's a lovely deck. It's a wonderful addition to your collection.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 03:03 PM

Oh, knock it off. You're being grouchy. :biggrin:

It's a lovely deck. It's a wonderful addition to your collection.



Nah it's what we'd call a P.T. Barnum deck. Designed for the sole intent of getting your money under the guise of it being a collector edition or special edition. No different in that regard than the many stamps, coins, etc that are issued for the sole purpose of those who collect them and never intended to use them.

Sorry i'll stick with my old Rider Waite deck

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 03:46 PM

Sad really 14 new cards to convey things that are already covered and conveyed with the traditional greater arcana if you know how to read them. But have to admit it lost all credibility when it used "Karma" as one of the purposes for consciousness. A word and concept that comes from eastern mysticism and would not have been around and especially not using that word to tie it back to the old pallor game from which tarot is believed to have originated.

Thanks for the links bewitchingredhead. Myself I got tired of trying to figure out what the actual deck name was.


Well you have the choice to use just the main 22 major arcana cards so by providing extra 14 new major arcana cards will not make any major difference at all. I do enjoy his art works on the whole as an artist not as a witch. It is more of a personal preferences, some like their cuisine more al dente some prefer to add a little personal touch and taste. Thank you for sharing.

Nah it's what we'd call a P.T. Barnum deck. Designed for the sole intent of getting your money under the guise of it being a collector edition or special edition. No different in that regard than the many stamps, coins, etc that are issued for the sole purpose of those who collect them and never intended to use them.

Sorry i'll stick with my old Rider Waite deck


You are right in a way some decks, writings or other products are designed and marketed solely to give a run for your money in guise of collector edition or special edition. There are many such stuffs in the market. Good old Rider Waite is still the Iconic deck in history till this very day. My first deck is Rider Waite. It has accompanied me through my childhood years till today.

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