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Izzie

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I want to do the rite of Cain as an initiation to the LHP. The book I'm reading suggests to paint the Grand Luciferian Circle on a canvas drop cloth. I have time to do it this weekend. My question is as an alternative, can I mark the circle in other ways, like with candles or stones in the cardinal directions and maybe tiny tables or stones to mark the triangle? I've got carpet floors or else I would use chalk to draw it. My concern is my painting skills aren't great, especially on large scale with details.

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They don't need to be great to draw a circle.  If you do go with the canvas, pin it down, stick a pin with a string the diameter of the circle in the center and you can draw it out like that.

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When I used circles for the first time I bought a round carpet the size I liked, flipped over I could draw on the bottom side. I drew a cross on it for the four directions with a permanent marker.

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When I used circles for the first time I bought a round carpet the size I liked, flipped over I could draw on the bottom side. I drew a cross on it for the four directions with a permanent marker.

Yes, that could work! I can turn it over when I need it.

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Just to be a counter voice but you do realize that once drawn and activated it remains as both a portal and sacred space.  So even turned to the floor the portal is open and the power of creation / manifestation remains to whomever might just happen to stand over it and pray so to speak.  Turned face down it also could be construed as a negative portal that is creating an open circuit for anything to come through.  People like to short cut ceremonial and high magics but there is a reason for all the bells, whistles and wardings that go with it.

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Just to be a counter voice but you do realize that once drawn and activated it remains as both a portal and sacred space. So even turned to the floor the portal is open and the power of creation / manifestation remains to whomever might just happen to stand over it and pray so to speak. Turned face down it also could be construed as a negative portal that is creating an open circuit for anything to come through. People like to short cut ceremonial and high magics but there is a reason for all the bells, whistles and wardings that go with it.

Come to think of it closing or shutting down the GLC is not discussed in the book (Luciferian Magick for Beginners), so I will need to close the portal after I'm finished and ward the room so that 1. Nothing gets in when I'm done and 2. Confine the energies to my room so that they don't mess with the anyone else in the house.

 

Edited to add banishing.

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To add another counter voice I also hope you realize that once turned you create a shadow portal in that the design will become almost like a negative upon the bottom floor or carpet smudged from the form created upon the one carpet.  So you actually create two portals with all the bells, whistles and such where one is physical and the other almost a negative inverse of the original but not subject to the restrictions on the original.

 

To some schools of though that means the sigils, glyphs, wards, etc become inverse and may actually then act in their contrary operation to bring forth the opposite.  So protection becomes its opposite, health becomes illness, positive becomes negative, etc.  Each facet taking on its inverse purpose or contrary purpose to what you desired.

 

why if I were going to place it on a rug i'd personally role the rug upon completion and not flip it over to create both the inverse portal and the shadow portal.  Figure in the old ceremonial / high magics practices anything that breaks the boundaries also removes any and all protections for the conditions and lines are broken.  Why they used to be drawn in chalk, wax and or other items all at once along with candles at the boundaries to use light boundaries as well.  Well that and the often assumed condition of having a second practitioner to watch and observe the one who is doing the workings should something go wrong and be present to step in.

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They didn't include banishing in the book? Always get rid of everything you call forth and invoke!

I think the author assumes the magician knows that, but, I think it should be included in a book labeled for beginners. I do banishings before & after any workings.

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Different type of circle and usage than the typical Wiccan cast and release if it is following traditional ceremonial / high magics.

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Monsno, I know, let's just say I used the rug in many different rites and types of workings over the years. That was in my former home, as I don't use it now and don't even own it anymore since moving here and my taste for ceremonial workings began to wane. I never took anything lightly, whatever it was I was trying out at the time, whether it was wicca, ceremonial magic or luciferian, chaos magic (I often made my own version or mix of rites I found in books) and I never had any problem with it being in the room flipped over to normal again. After any working or rite, the rug was just a rug to me.

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Izzie - I think that should be included in a book for beginners, too.

 

Horne, if someone knows what they're doing then that's fine and there may never be a problem.  For someone that's never done anything like this before - there's a lot of room for error.  We all started somewhere and learned a lot of things the hard way.

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Of course RR, and I did some pretty naive things myself (understatement) and I'm well aware of the dangers for anyone just plunging in without being properly informed. Protection is crucial, as is paying attention to detail and securely closing any working or rite.  

 

Izzie, I was wondering about which book we were exactly talking about by the way, is it one of Michael Ford's?

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Of course RR, and I did some pretty naive things myself (understatement) and I'm well aware of the dangers for anyone just plunging in without being properly informed. Protection is crucial, as is paying attention to detail and securely closing any working or rite.

 

Izzie, I was wondering about which book we were exactly talking about by the way, is it one of Michael Ford's?

It's Beginning Luciferian Magick by Michael Ford. Changed title to reflect magick not witchcraft.
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Thanks Izzie, I've got that one somewhere, I Googled for "Luciferian Magic for Beginners" as you described the book in your older post, but I couldn't find anything and the only result near it referred to Michael Ford's book.

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Securely closing any working should also be a part of an instruction manual.

 

Definitely, and still so many authors do not do it. I also do not see why the carpet should be of concern if the working has been closed with the proper banishments at the end.

 

Just to add to the circle tricks. With the years, one thing that I look for in a new house is a space where a circle can be drawn. Then I try to keep the space free of furniture, or with just few furnitures around, and easily movable. When I draw a compass round I like to see the lines, so I keep a piece of chalk attached to a cord to draw the circle. During the banishment, the lines are also swept away, the furnitures put back in place and nothing ever happened.

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