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#1 Izzie

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 01:39 PM

I want to do the rite of Cain as an initiation to the LHP. The book I'm reading suggests to paint the Grand Luciferian Circle on a canvas drop cloth. I have time to do it this weekend. My question is as an alternative, can I mark the circle in other ways, like with candles or stones in the cardinal directions and maybe tiny tables or stones to mark the triangle? I've got carpet floors or else I would use chalk to draw it. My concern is my painting skills aren't great, especially on large scale with details.
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:03 PM

They don't need to be great to draw a circle.  If you do go with the canvas, pin it down, stick a pin with a string the diameter of the circle in the center and you can draw it out like that.


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:46 PM

Thank you!!! Why didn't I think of that? I've slready got paint pens ;)
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:49 PM

Sorry for typo. Couldn't find where to edit.
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:56 PM

I think the simple things are usually the hardest to think of.

 

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 06:11 PM

When I used circles for the first time I bought a round carpet the size I liked, flipped over I could draw on the bottom side. I drew a cross on it for the four directions with a permanent marker.


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 06:18 PM

Dude!  That's brilliant!


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 06:25 PM

When I used circles for the first time I bought a round carpet the size I liked, flipped over I could draw on the bottom side. I drew a cross on it for the four directions with a permanent marker.


Yes, that could work! I can turn it over when I need it.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 06:26 PM

Flip it over again and it will appear a regular carpet to the unaware. ;)


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 03:07 PM

I could also draw it out and cast it mentally.
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Posted 14 November 2014 - 03:13 PM

Just to be a counter voice but you do realize that once drawn and activated it remains as both a portal and sacred space.  So even turned to the floor the portal is open and the power of creation / manifestation remains to whomever might just happen to stand over it and pray so to speak.  Turned face down it also could be construed as a negative portal that is creating an open circuit for anything to come through.  People like to short cut ceremonial and high magics but there is a reason for all the bells, whistles and wardings that go with it.


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 03:44 PM

Just to be a counter voice but you do realize that once drawn and activated it remains as both a portal and sacred space. So even turned to the floor the portal is open and the power of creation / manifestation remains to whomever might just happen to stand over it and pray so to speak. Turned face down it also could be construed as a negative portal that is creating an open circuit for anything to come through. People like to short cut ceremonial and high magics but there is a reason for all the bells, whistles and wardings that go with it.

Come to think of it closing or shutting down the GLC is not discussed in the book (Luciferian Magick for Beginners), so I will need to close the portal after I'm finished and ward the room so that 1. Nothing gets in when I'm done and 2. Confine the energies to my room so that they don't mess with the anyone else in the house.

Edited to add banishing.

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:26 PM

They didn't include banishing in the book? Always get rid of everything you call forth and invoke!


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:34 PM

To add another counter voice I also hope you realize that once turned you create a shadow portal in that the design will become almost like a negative upon the bottom floor or carpet smudged from the form created upon the one carpet.  So you actually create two portals with all the bells, whistles and such where one is physical and the other almost a negative inverse of the original but not subject to the restrictions on the original.

 

To some schools of though that means the sigils, glyphs, wards, etc become inverse and may actually then act in their contrary operation to bring forth the opposite.  So protection becomes its opposite, health becomes illness, positive becomes negative, etc.  Each facet taking on its inverse purpose or contrary purpose to what you desired.

 

why if I were going to place it on a rug i'd personally role the rug upon completion and not flip it over to create both the inverse portal and the shadow portal.  Figure in the old ceremonial / high magics practices anything that breaks the boundaries also removes any and all protections for the conditions and lines are broken.  Why they used to be drawn in chalk, wax and or other items all at once along with candles at the boundaries to use light boundaries as well.  Well that and the often assumed condition of having a second practitioner to watch and observe the one who is doing the workings should something go wrong and be present to step in.


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:45 PM

They didn't include banishing in the book? Always get rid of everything you call forth and invoke!


I think the author assumes the magician knows that, but, I think it should be included in a book labeled for beginners. I do banishings before & after any workings.

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:49 PM

If the circle is properly banished in closing the rite, the rug will just be a rug again, I never experienced any problems in using a rug that way. 


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:50 PM

I agree, Izzie, an author should include proper closing and banishing in a beginners book.


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:54 PM

Different type of circle and usage than the typical Wiccan cast and release if it is following traditional ceremonial / high magics.


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 05:44 PM

Monsno, I know, let's just say I used the rug in many different rites and types of workings over the years. That was in my former home, as I don't use it now and don't even own it anymore since moving here and my taste for ceremonial workings began to wane. I never took anything lightly, whatever it was I was trying out at the time, whether it was wicca, ceremonial magic or luciferian, chaos magic (I often made my own version or mix of rites I found in books) and I never had any problem with it being in the room flipped over to normal again. After any working or rite, the rug was just a rug to me.


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 08:15 PM

Izzie - I think that should be included in a book for beginners, too.

 

Horne, if someone knows what they're doing then that's fine and there may never be a problem.  For someone that's never done anything like this before - there's a lot of room for error.  We all started somewhere and learned a lot of things the hard way.


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