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Oh I understand the use of human parts but those are normally more maligned or malcontent in purpose in my experience and knowledge.  Sort of like the old stories of the Hand of Glory taken from a thief or killer and used as a candle in many of the earlier books about Satanism and Witchcraft.  Not saying if the need or purpose arose I wouldn't use them but as a norm its not something people are normally going to do, especially in many western traditions.  In Eastern traditions its been a bit different, some might compare the old thuggee cult to Kali as examples of the maligned influence.  I suppose the notion of LHP ans RHP as coming out of India / Tibet would potentially also fall into usage of human remains that are typically outside normative western practices.

 

The Kapala stuff reminds me of the holy relic that is to be found in many Catholic churches as relics from some martyr or saint.  Granted not quite the same usage but the semi enshrinement of human parts based upon goodness or evilness of the person.  But then how many kapala's are actually human skull remains versus how many are actually molded material?  In India / Tibet probably a number of ancient ones are, in the US and Europe probably more are molded copies than actual human remains.  I suppose one might equate it to how many human shrunken heads are there compared to copies that are made to resemble them.

 

But thank you for reminding me of the Kapala's and tantric influences.  Off topic but do you know if the Kapala is more aligned to Red or Black Tantric practices?  Always heard red but that dealt more with sexual than physical in the sense of death, destruction and blood to my understanding.

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A quick google search will tell you more about the types of kapala available now, if you are interested. To the point of molded material versus human material, I think you will find much more molded material out there, as well as from animal sources (like kapala made from monkey skulls for example). Human material is harder to find, and quite costly.

 

To the question regarding the actual uses of kapala/human remains in tantra, I gathered this information for you-the following is from my husband; If you want to find more in depth answers to your great questions, I encourage you to find a local Sri Vidya temple or a Shaivite priest in your area for the best answers. You could certainly also contact a Buddhist Lama or other Buddhist clergy and inquire.

 

Regarding the different types of uses within other traditions, that is beyond my scope of true understanding-so I will leave more in depth comments of possible various uses to those around here that might have a deeper understanding of them.

 

I'll also say the hand of glory and mention of a specific Kali cult provides good evidence to back up your earlier statement about darker uses of human remains- as does the mention of Catholic saint relics for glorification of "good deeds" in the Catholic religion. Just like everything else though, there are two sides to every coin. From my own experience and knowledge, I think the use of a tool and the result of that use depend heavily on the operator too. JMO. :biggrin:

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I find that when animals die, they do not hover, and their spirits do not stay attached to the corpse, under most circumstances.  They basically flash out are absorbed into the spirit of that species in that area.  So no, I wouldn't consider roadkill cursed, but I don't tend to collect critters or their parts unless I have something in mind for them.  I know several people who do, however, and they have no trouble with what has been collected.

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I find that when animals die, they do not hover, and their spirits do not stay attached to the corpse, under most circumstances.  They basically flash out are absorbed into the spirit of that species in that area.  So no, I wouldn't consider roadkill cursed, but I don't tend to collect critters or their parts unless I have something in mind for them.  I know several people who do, however, and they have no trouble with what has been collected.

 

 

Let me preface this with not saying your wrong so please don't think that is what this response is about.

 

I used to think very similar to that until I came across what I can only define as an animal funeral.  In the totality of my life i've only had the pleasure of witnessing one of these and then only by pure chance did I witness this one.

 

Imagine coming upon the body of a deer and watching other deer surround it in almost circular fashion.  All the deer facing the corpse and you'd swear having a moment of silence as they looked upon it. A few of them snorting and almost looked like they were pawing the ground to toss dirt at it.  I would come back later and discover the whole group bedded down around the area as there were many bedding spots where the deer had lain close to it.  More than the usual birds were in the tree's and singing and there were a lot of smaller rodents and such.  Later on I got close to the carcass and there was a trail that circled the body where you could tell quite a few creatures has walked around the body.

 

I never could tell how the deer had died nor saw any wounds that showed.  Yet on the day I stumbled upon it and a few days after the whole area was different.  May sound crazy but it was almost as if the whole of the area had come to pay last respects to the fallen deer.  No clear lines into the area, yet a clear trail circling the body.  Lots of different paw prints in the soft soil so you could identify some of the creature's, even a few larger bird tracks like some wadding bird or larger bird had walked about it.

 

The whole thing in a real narrow ravine that went up into the mountains behind us and opened up into a wider ravine as it went down into the valley below towards the river.  For a long tie that carcass remained there untouched that I could see then one day it was simply gone.  Almost as if it were picked up and carried off as there was no drag markings or remnants of the body being torn apart. 

 

I can only describe it as a funeral the way the animals and birds acted.  Very somber yet different than anything else i'd ever encountered in the woods before or after that day.  I know the animals were aware I was observing it and all the normal alert indicators they normally do never happened.

 

 I have always felt there was a greater Spirit of Place in that area and perhaps that was the reason or driving force behind what I saw which is why it was different.  I just know it changed how I viewed all the 2 & 4 legs, winged ones and even the standing ones.  Even the stone people were different that day.

 

It definitely told or reminded me though that humanity is simply another animal in the kingdom and are not the only ones who feel and do things.

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...  Well not unless you start out under the premise that animals are not real beings capable of experiencing human like emotions and reasoning.  Real beings, yes. Capable of "human" emotions, no.

 

Unless they are just dumb animals...  Not my words, perhaps your interpretation of them.

 

But I guess we all have different ways of seeing things and doing things.

 

 

 

I agree different ways of seeing and doing things.  Not bad and sometimes I find another's perspective has aided me greatly in understanding things or giving me a reason to think deeper about something than my own interest would inspire or suggest.  For making me think and consider alternative usages and practices I thank you, otherwise I might become trapped in my own opinions and conclusions.

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This is so interesting, I keep reading over the posts on this thread. I have said before that I do not work with bones, due to issues in getting permission. So obviously I am the opposite of an expert. However, reading what other witches have reported about working with bones, I have had the impression that a sudden death, whether from accident or ritual, makes the spirit more accessible.

On the other hand, maybe being treated with respect is beneficial to the spirit in some way, regardless whether you wind up using it in craft or do not. Certainly it must be an improvement over being thrown in a landfill.  

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Within the past 2 weeks, we've had to put in a new drain field on our property. Bring it up to code and all that, repair what was not working. Where they had to dig was where I buried the Owl that I hit with my truck coming home from work 2 years ago. 

 

I did all that I knew and was prompted to do for that Owl before I gleaned from its lifeless body. I gifted folks here with feathers for their workings. I buried it with respect and reverence and gratitude.  Now I have it's bones, I'm not giving any tittle of a thought as to a possible curse for the accidental cause of it's death. The Owl lives on in my home,  it has not been carried off by another animal predator to be torn to shreds as a possible meal of " road kill. " The bones speak to me. I hold them dear to me. They are teaching me, and I am humbled by what they have revealed.

 

 

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Gypsy

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But how many people show reverence or respect such as you have?

 

That's truly beautiful, CG.

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Wow, I love the varied takes in this thread.

 

I've been collecting roadkill parts for quite some time now and have never encountered any curse-like energies. My method, though, is one of great reverence - I release the spirit, send healing into the body and to the past (Reiki is great for this), and perform whatever ritualistic elements are being called for in the situation - most of the time a minor burial (leaves/sticks). As Aurielian wrote, though, much of the time the spirits have already left - I find this happens a lot with squirrels. They are hit by cars so often that I feel as though the species has an "automatic release" and thus my rituals are sometimes more symbolic than functional, but it is also true that in some level, on some reality, the spirit is still there and needs to be helped off into the light. I also find that squirrels really like to be used by me for their parts - they are such showoffy creatures while alive.

 

I also find that by me taking of the body parts, giving thanks to the spirit, and providing a burial is inevitably what may complete the circle to validate the life, as opposed to leaving it to be further defiled. Its death was cruel; if a human may bless and make a connection with the spirit of the animal only after its death, it eases the pain of the event. As some others mentioned, through the conscious work of the witch, the positive memories and attributes of the life of the animal may be brought out.

 

I also find that only certain roadkills will call me to them - sometimes in a mundane way (such as I can or cannot stop at the time) and sometimes intuitively. 

 

One could also say that all forms of death ultimately come from the mind of the creator, and as such all deaths are "natural." To some degree I agree with this, and then again I'm not sure - maybe it's a problem of terminology. I remember a moment walking with friends years ago wherein I found a roadkill squirrel and moved it to the grass off the road, and one of the group teased me, citing that all of our environment is just as natural as the rest. I do find, though, that roadkill animals greatly prefer to have their bodies physically touching the dirt of Earth. It could be that the permission to obtain the body parts is given as an exchange for assisting the spirit of the animal in making sure its body is properly placed in accordance with the laws of Gaia.

 

 

 

I used to think very similar to that until I came across what I can only define as an animal funeral.  In the totality of my life i've only had the pleasure of witnessing one of these and then only by pure chance did I witness this one.

 

Imagine coming upon the body of a deer and watching other deer surround it in almost circular fashion.  All the deer facing the corpse and you'd swear having a moment of silence as they looked upon it. A few of them snorting and almost looked like they were pawing the ground to toss dirt at it.  I would come back later and discover the whole group bedded down around the area as there were many bedding spots where the deer had lain close to it.  More than the usual birds were in the tree's and singing and there were a lot of smaller rodents and such.  Later on I got close to the carcass and there was a trail that circled the body where you could tell quite a few creatures has walked around the body.

 

I never could tell how the deer had died nor saw any wounds that showed.  Yet on the day I stumbled upon it and a few days after the whole area was different.  May sound crazy but it was almost as if the whole of the area had come to pay last respects to the fallen deer.  No clear lines into the area, yet a clear trail circling the body.  Lots of different paw prints in the soft soil so you could identify some of the creature's, even a few larger bird tracks like some wadding bird or larger bird had walked about it.

 

The whole thing in a real narrow ravine that went up into the mountains behind us and opened up into a wider ravine as it went down into the valley below towards the river.  For a long tie that carcass remained there untouched that I could see then one day it was simply gone.  Almost as if it were picked up and carried off as there was no drag markings or remnants of the body being torn apart. 

 

I can only describe it as a funeral the way the animals and birds acted.  Very somber yet different than anything else i'd ever encountered in the woods before or after that day.  I know the animals were aware I was observing it and all the normal alert indicators they normally do never happened.

 

 I have always felt there was a greater Spirit of Place in that area and perhaps that was the reason or driving force behind what I saw which is why it was different.  I just know it changed how I viewed all the 2 & 4 legs, winged ones and even the standing ones.  Even the stone people were different that day.

 

It definitely told or reminded me though that humanity is simply another animal in the kingdom and are not the only ones who feel and do things.

 

Wow, that is incredibly profound and the most beautiful of scenes... thank you for sharing this moment. What a blessing to witness. The animals truly welcomed you into their world.

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I, personally, don't believe animals can be compared to humans intellectually or emotionally. Wild animals face these fears daily. If one looks at nature - really looks, not just sees the surface of some things - ever see a cat eat a lizard? Ever see a bear eat a salmon? Nature can appear very cruel to human conception, and if anyone thinks road kill is any more traumatized than death via being eaten alive, or raised in food-farms without beak or legs and then offed prior to being put into a nice little clean grocery-store package, then they are, in my opinion, mistaken. Animals don't have the same psychology as humans. They don't anticipate death in the way that humans do. That does not mean they should to be treated inhumanely or that humans are of more importance in the greater existence of things, but to me it needs to be understood if one is working with animal bones. 

 

If anyone picks up bones in the wild it could be a mistake to assume they had less trauma in death than road kill. My cat caught an iguana and chewed off and ate it from the "waist" down. I found the iguana pulling itself across my living room on the "stumps" of it's front legs with no back-body or tail and leaving a bloody trail behind it. That was a natural death - eat or be eaten. Did I have compassion for the poor thing? Yes. Did I put it to peace and out of it's misery? Yes - I returned the left-over body to a wild area near here. And if some person found it's bones and took them home thinking it died a less traumatic death than road-kill.... well, it was unfortunately a much more natural and suffering death than a quick car-hit. That is the nature of nature. Live or die, survival of the fittest, eat or be eaten. It does not mean that one should be without compassion, but it doesn't mean that what nature does is less traumatic that what human's cars do. It's part of life, part of death, and it all goes together. Humans, who have the ability to psychologically (as opposed to instinctually) fear death are different in what they leave behind. Very few things in the wild die of peaceful old age. Domesticated animals, yes, but wild, no. I love animals and I love my pets and care for them well, but I understand the difference between my psychology and their psychology.

 

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I've never really given this much thought.  I love the different points of view that have been expressed here so far.

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Monsnoleedra there is no doubt that what you conveyed / shared with the members here was a very special and unique event that probably few , if any , here have or will partake . It evidently was allowed so that you were shown / enlightened to a perspective of life and death in the animal kingdom that perhaps you had some wonder / pondering of . It seems from your tale , should be also passed down to your young , struck a cord with the compassionate valley in you.Your senses felt the pain, reverence and loss of the attendance, and that was part of the answer . The rest is what you can and will do with is a matter of future to pass. I do have differing views than most with the regards of death animal or human- we are all destined to do so , there is no argument. Over the years I have found many different animal bones , skulls even a nice sized turtle / tortoise shell , and each find I felt it was a treasure / gift bestowed upon me by the spirit of the land and waters that run upon it ( there are bottoms to creeks , rivers , and oceans - that is land with water on top of it ) . I was pleasantly surprised and joyed at the most recent ( a couple of weeks ago ) find of a crow skull with most of the backbone attached. It apparently had been the feast of some other creature , I suspect a cat, not sure as the feathers were natty and not really well intact and the feathers and skull was what was left.

Now I wasn't the one that took the life of the crow , but I did say thank you to the spirits of the area , as I have done with all my finds. What I will do with any of my collection only time will tell me , but they are with me and it does give me the opportunity to learn from them , just as the animals of the deer event offered up something for you to learn.

We all learn different things from nature - beauty , grace , reverence , life that also feeds another's life . We harvest plants from gardens, wild fields, forests . Hunting animals has always been a means of feeding ourselves and family . One just has to keep a positive perspective and know that if someone or something should die , that it be for the benefit of something or someone . We can't keep all of the world safe from harm , but we do have the obligation to at least offer a prayer for it in this life and the next .

I do understand the point you have presented on the possibility of pain and anguish being transferred to the bone collector , it  just comes down to what the collector will gleam from the find .

 

Respectfully,

Nabu

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Death and the types or degree's of death is certainly a viable subject for another time I think.

 

What I find interesting is that the majority want to see bones as a gift to them and not the possibility that they could or might be cursed.  In many ways it's like the bones taken from the earth which we call minerals, crystals, etc.  People don't want to think those could be cursed either yet things such as the Hope Diamond tell us otherwise.  Certain jewels, stones, rocks have all at times been found to have some degree of cursing upon them and one can only assume the cursor was the earth itself.  Granted not every item mined has been cursed but nor has every item mined been clean yet common pagans will say let me cleanse this item and its useful.  A position to me which is truly interesting, they will clean out something that has been ingrained in its very creation.

 

Wild or tame there are many animals which have been harmed and nothing that is done removes that fear during their life.  A fear that might be years in the making or even in a moments action.  Nor does it touch upon the diseased creature that suffers right to the depths of its bones and makes it act outside of its normal behavior.  In that regard mankind amuses me.  Hey I found some raccoon bones, yet can't equate it to the scare of rabies that has plagued the raccoon population in a given area.  Nope its a gift that I found and they are certain there is nothing connected to it.  After all rabies is a disease not a curse, well except to the creature that actually has it.

 

Seen the bones of a rabid creature used once as a cursing item.  Plays hell on the person said disease and curse is aimed at.  Played hell on the person who used them as well though not to the same degree.  Items of that nature I was taught are best used when a bit of flesh still hangs upon the bones and the spirit is still closer in its pain and insanity.  Yet it never truly looses the insanity and takes many generations in the here after before it's energy will be cleaned and the spirit returned to its state.

 

I admit I see things differently in that regard.  Maybe because I had the fortune or misfortune to actually have died and been declared clinically dead.  To have crossed to the veil and been greeted by my family and ancestors.  To be bathed in that place then told it was not my time and I was to go back and live this life.  Changes you for certain, like dreams that linger and come unbidden in the dark of night.  Some fade with the passage of time and the age of the experience which makes them all the more confusing in that the energy, vision and experience grows dim compared to the years that pass after it.  Yet like the proverbial bolt of lightning something may strike and teleport you right back to the veil.  To realize that it was more than just people who were at the veil though the spirits seemed moving in different directions as they came and went.  Imagination?  Who knows I wasn't old enough to have much of one so things were pretty black and white and un-corrupted by life yet.

 

For me its not a matter of what the collector will gleam from it.  It's a matter of what life was in it and how it was taken and the life experienced by it.  It's not some stamp to be sough after and collected and added to ones collection of odds and ends but the remains of a living entity with a imprint of its life.  A ghost with no form that appears to mankind to linger above the spot or denote who or what it was.  Yet a ghost none the less.  But then I suppose I see life differently and how the spirit or soul is composed more along the Egyptian (Kemetic) format with many parts and each gets weighted in measuring a things life or what is left behind.

 

I wonder at times when I hear people say they gave thanks for the body would they be so willing to offer such a low value truth were it human remains they were collecting?  It's sad but a lot of times I am reminded of the Pirates of the Caribbean movie where in order to release Calypso you have to free her with love.  Then only one person really understood it though others said it or advised on how to offer her both freedom and thanks for her sacrifice.  Some walk the walk, some talk the talk but so few it seems actually both walk and talk it all.   Not saying nor implying I am placing that upon anyone who reads here as that is not my place nor desire just how I see things in general most times.

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Thank you to all who have participated in this discussion. I hope it is OK to bring it back up.

 

I am really trying to understand the magical need, or purpose for using bones in the modern world, that isn't a cultural appropriation or reconstruction, or any other -unction. I am trying to understand the value of such magical links as others have expressed in their comments. I know I'm missing the point by a couple miles. Would anyone be willing to share what you personally find enriching or pertinent about the practice of ritual uses of bones in your magical practice?

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I don't know what you mean exactly, Zombee. The use of bones (or blood or body parts) in witchcraft is one of those rare things that seem to be used almost universally across cultures and generations. Anyone studying traditional witchcraft or folk magick in almost any tradition is gonna find a lot of bones being used. That does not need to fall under cultural appropriation if mindful respect is exercised.

 

Everything bone related comes to mind....from lucky rabbits' feet, or a chicken foot, reading/casting bones, ceremonial horns as vessels or horns, skulls as fetishes, using bones in witch's ladders and other spells...spirit rattles were often made of bone or shells, and then there's the toad bone ritual. Even the wishbone breaking that so many of us grew up with is a remnant of folk magic or the veneration of Saint relics. I would be curious to know if there were any witchcraft traditions that *didn't* use bones ritually and why that may be.

 

In my modern practice, bones are most valuable as a tool for necromancy, for connecting to the world beyond death. Bones and body parts seem to me to be "in between" things. Something that once held life but no longer does has a certain a quality of the "other" that helps me to connect to it easier. Any object can house a spirit, but for me personally, it's easier to draw a spirit into something that has already once held the spark of life (or a material that a spirit would feel some sort of remembrance of being connected to in life perhaps...such as bone). Skulls make powerful gateways. Also, I've found that magick done with certain bones tends to retain a bit of the character or traits of the animal the relics came from. My coyote skull tends to draw out the tricksters, while my bison skull is a more reverent meeting place.

 

Am I misunderstanding your question or is that the kind of answer you are looking for?

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Thank you, RG. Your response is precisely what i needed. I am learning about TWC, by reading and trial-&-error., and this forum helps a lot. In books everybody has bones, but they do not explain what they get out of it, what the benefit is to their magic., and why the practice is preferred to some other means of spirit work. Whenever I connect with a bone, I seem only to link to it's former occupant, or it's group consciousness. Am I supposed to ask that presence to carry out a task? And what do I owe it for the favor? I suppose it will tell me and I like to know these things up front.

 

My problem, I think, is that I'm a medium. When I offered my spirit guide a stone fetish house, he got mildly miffed and asked what he was supposed to do with it. Ok, wrong spirit...a land spirit might have been interested.

 

It seems to me that bone-work comes naturally within Shamanic cultures, but I live in a basic electric, motorized and fossil-fuel culture, with piped-in water. I don't have to fetch it. The closest I get to a cook fire is a BBQ grill and more often than not I burn myself. I have not trained myself to think shamanicly.

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For myself, it is precisely *because* I live in a sterile modern culture where I don't kill my own meat or bury my own dead family members, or even have to really deal with my own waste that I need to work with bones (and its even better when I can collect them myself). As convenient and hygienic as it may seem, there's something unnatural to me about how we never tangibly experience death except in a removed and distant sort of way. Working with bones and blood and dirt establishes a connection for me that helps me reach the state I need to be in to perceive beyond the mundane.

 

If that connection comes naturally for you without the use of these things, than that's awesome. My own psychic skills are not that developed yet. I still have to use some of the tried and true methods to create a place/state to meet with spirits and entities most of the time. Of course, sometimes they interupt life to intervene or send a clear message with no candles or skulls or trance inducing herbs/rituals necessary, but that is a rare and beautiful thing.

 

It's becoming less rare though...

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Oh gee, this is finally making sense to me. Three cheers! I've been knocking my head on my favorite wall again. (Ive retired after 21 years working at a cemetery...haha.) Bones are a door way between worlds, a trail to the Other Side, metaphorically, because that which has died has forged the trail. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The use is for crossing-over. It's like thumping the Staff on the ground to stir and awaken the living link between ourselves and Earth.

 

Thank you for sharing your understanding.

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While I would think it'd be very interesting to work with animal skulls or bones, I could never pick up a road kill or get the bones of any other animal myself. Maybe a tiny bird or mouse who died naturally, in winter. I grew up on a farm where we slaughtered our animals, and I went vegetarian at the age of 12, vegan at the age of 28. Whenever I pass by a roadkill I get sick to my stomach and feel incredible sadness within me. So, working with animal parts other than feathers that I find in the woods or on the street is not possible for me. 

But I would believe that when you find a roadkill that seems to have great fear attached such as the porcupine mentioned in this thread, it would be best to bury it and be of service to the animal instead of the other way around. To use the witchy power to help it transcend into a peaceful realm. I think it's always a give and take, and sometimes it's our job to help a plant, a tree, a river, an animal out of service to nature, from which we take so much for our craft. 

I also think it's good to invoke the entire essence of the animal's life, not only the one of their death. 

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I have never worked with road kill but I have worked with the bones/feet/feathers of animals I raised and butchered or hunted. I have a deer skull on my ancestor altar I hold when meditating or using my mirror that is very willing to work with me even though my husband shot it. I have most of the skeleton of it and want to make a rune set of the bones but cutting them is difficult without them splitting. I have turkey feet over each door and sell the chicken feet from the animals we raised. I do make offerings to the animals we kill though. Not sure if that makes the difference. Personally, I think if an animal is willing to work with you it will, if not it will not. I have had feathers and bones I gave away or sold because I had not feeling from them at all and assumed they were not mine. I want to put a road kill kit in the car but never have. My husband doesn't like the idea of it. 

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I'm glad there are others out there who do "collect" various animal parts and utilize them spiritually/magically.  I spent most of my adult life working as a zookeeper and so I wasn't totally alone with the collecting.  However most of my bosses and coworkers harvested animal parts for strictly educational purposes.  I've only known 2 others in the field that primarily collected items because it held personal meaning for them (ie it came from animals they worked closely with so it held sentimental value).  Most people think it's weird and creepy lol.    Depending on what I have (feather/fur vs bone vs skin etc) and what I feel the parts want to be used for will determine its usage for me.  For the most part they've been made into something I consider sacred: spirit housing, ritual tools, some items to be used as magical ingredients etc.  Items I take as ingredients usually seem empty and can be then programmed for specific purposes much like dried herbs/flowers in a spell.  As far as curses associated with roadkill parts, I think if you ignore or go against its spirits' wishes then things have potential to get ugly.  Whether you take it home when it wanted to be buried, or just ignored it when it was asking for your help to move on, its not going to be a happy spirit.  Depending on circumstances you may not experience any negative outcome or you may experience an angry spirit.  All my opinion of course!

 

I have very animistic leanings and with that I subscribe to the idea that everything (including mountains, rocks, rivers, water, trees etc) have spirits/souls.  Some have more "parts" to it than others I think though I obviously could be wrong about that too.  I believe that there are many times when bones, herbs, whatever is dead/empty and up to the discretion of the collector whether or not to use said item.  So the idea of using roadkill (any manner of death really) or not extends to things outside of the animal kingdom for me personally.  I have and will harvest parts from dead animals but generally I hesitate and mull it over more first if my discovery of the carcass was completely accidental.  What I mean by that is there have been times when I was passing through an area and suddenly felt like something was hidden and watching me.  I could almost pinpoint where the animal (or its remains) were, at least general direction (to my left on the ground, or up in the trees and to my right, etc).  If I took the time to investigate I'd find either a living animal or its bones.  There were a few occasions that pretty much convinced me that it wasn't just wishful thinking or my imagination.  It felt like they were practically flagging me down! The other times it's happened to me I couldn't rule out that it wasn't a case of my peripheral vision working overtime or just pure coincidence. If I feel it was just chance I'll spend some time to see if there's "life" hanging around it and if so, does it want to be left alone, be buried, or if its ok with me taking a part of it home with me.  If it seems to be empty, I'll decide whether or not I should take it with me then.  This has been the case with stones too though not as often.  There was one time I recall seeing an interesting rock that appeared to have been chipped off of a larger boulder.  There was obvious man made damage to the area (looked like someone was doing a little minor mining or maybe excavating).  I wanted to take that chunk home with me but got the distinct feeling it wasn't very happy and wanted to be placed back with the main boulder.  So I put it where it wanted and the feeling in the air seemed to lighten a good bit.  

 

I'm working on my relationship with the plant world.  It's where I seem to have the least connection to, even less than with things like rocks/crystals.  That surprised me but  I suspect it's due to being conditioned to thinking of plants as consumable "empty" objects.  Its a lot easier and more likely (and well...normal) to have a cupboard full of dried, chopped up and seemingly "dead or empty" herbs and flowers than a large variety of animal parts to use in a recipe- magical or not.   I find that if I make sure I'm giving plants that same attention and consideration I give to animals I sense their spirits better too.  

 

Last note and I'll shut up lol:  When I take animal parts, I often will give something in return.  Its like a gift exchange.  I started doing this too, to other things I harvest such as stones, plants, anything that I sense that has an attached spirit.  If what I take still has "life" to it or has been made into something and "awakened" I make sure to care for them as if they were physically alive.  The specifics of what I feed them or how I care for them may differ depending on what seems to be the best for everyone involved.  It may all be a bunch of hokey crazy nonsense but either way it sure has changed how I interact with the world around me!

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(sorry if this thread is too old!)

Death is a large part of my practice and working with the liminal space between Death and life. As a result I also do some amateur taxidermy and mummifying, and avidly collect, and have absolutely used roadkill or bought roadkill products. I've also kept owl pellets on my altar in the past. I don't personally see anything at all wrong with using roadkill parts, in fact, I usually use them in part because they've died the way they have so I feel like using them gives them respect. Instead of letting them cake to the road. From a spirits perspective even if they linger around the body, animals aren't generally as attached to their sense of self like we are, it typically doesn't take them long to run off wherever they're supposed to go. I've actually always considered this a strength of theirs, they don't need guidance most of the time.
You could also always try putting out there that you want to collect it and see how the spirit feels if it's still nearby. 
Edit: I do always place a sigil of peace on the body before moving it though. Which you could also try to do to see if that eliminates some of the negative feelings.

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