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How to raise Elemental Spirits - Does anyone else do this?


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This is why what you said sounded strange to me because if I work with Fire I have a different experience then if I work with Water and both of them are different to Earth or Air.

 

Edit: Just to add. A better way of saying it is, that when I work with the spirits of one of the elements they always bring out of me and my nature the same kind of nature they are a part of in the first place.

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While I only had a portion of your response quoted here, it does not mean I didn't read your whole post and/or ignored half of it.

 

Are you working with the aspects of said said element, or do you feel a deeper connection for what the elements mean toward toward the overall meaning of connecting to the universe?

 

Sure I can stand and ask for the aspect of an an element to give it's quality to the situation, and I do quite often see if I can form that fireball with my hands if nature will allow me the power to interact with the element I want to deal with, but to me it still is not the same as talking to whom controls and allows that quality to be used in magic and in life.

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Growing up in a small village doesn't seem very cool when your young. I felt like an outsider when I got to USA. But once you are older and are tired of the concrete jungle you appreciate the country.

 

I understand that you have different ideas of what constitutes divinity - we didn't grow up in the same place or have the same experiences in being born into the craft. Plus we come from different parts of the world. II appreciate your input and I might have to add you as a friend if you keep up disagreeing with me! We have such differing beliefs; it is fascinating for me to read what you know. 

 

Anyway, I'm not going to expand and ask what your idea of what divinity constitutes, but I do wish to ask how it is that you raise the elementals. What are your techniques/way of doing? Do you ever speak to them and have them talk back. What is your background and ways of this topic?

 

I just spent 12 years in back woods farm country.  I don't belong that far out in the country.  I'm a Jersey Girl.  I came home to my Mom's last October and have stayed to care for her through her cancer ordeal.  I find it difficult to be as close to the land as I was when I was out in the country.  I don't fit in here in the suburbs anymore either.  The area that we're moving to is the outskirts of a large-ish city and not far from open country.  The property itself is very much untainted by the surrounding areas.  It's 3/4 of an acre with woods behind it. 

 

I don't actually raise elementals.  My work and practice with elemental spirits was a natural evolution for me once I went to the country.  When I was young I would talk to plants and trees and rocks and lakes and streams and everyone said I had a 'vivid imagination'.  Of course, as I got older I was reprimanded because I 'should've outgrown that by now'.  Same thing with my 'imaginary' friend that I found out later was a ghost.

 

If I wanted to talk to the land, I went outside and sat down on it.  If I wanted to talk to water I would go outside and sit where I knew the underground springs ran and fed my well pump.  Or I'd go down to the river.  There's a very special place I go on the Jersey Shore to speak with a specific water spirit.  I simply stand (or sit) in the surf and say hello. 

 

It's only recently that I've been able to interact and work with wind.  I had merged with a hurricane that came through.  That was a wild ride.  The wind and water, while separate, working together to express the raw beauty of Mother Nature was beyond what mere words can express.

 

I have an affinity with certain metals, which I see as part of the Earth element. 

 

I guess that the best way I can describe it is that there are varying strengths of Elementals - from the Fire Elemental that rages through the desert wildfires to the quiet and almost shy, and giggling spirit of a Dogwood tree.

 

I've never actually had to 'evoke' or 'raise' these spirits. 

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That is what people would call the gods of the elements, or mother earth in one of her forms. If you want to worship them, go ahead. But they subscribe no pleasure in that regard, and if you were to piss them off they would not immediately cause the element to act any different then it's manner.

 

**That would be a wild thing though... piss off the water elemental and seeing the air around you suddenly change it's qualities and suddenly you are looking at a huge rock in front of you.

 

Huh? more confused now. 

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Huh? more confused now. 

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That's ok. This isn't in books or songs. At least not that I'm aware of.

I don't read books.

 

I get confused on this site too, and after re-reading a post a few times I understand the words have another meaning then on the first read.

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While I only had a portion of your response quoted here, it does not mean I didn't read your whole post and/or ignored half of it.

 

Are you working with the aspects of said said element, or do you feel a deeper connection for what the elements mean toward toward the overall meaning of connecting to the universe?

 

Sure I can stand and ask for the aspect of an an element to give it's quality to the situation, and I do quite often see if I can form that fireball with my hands if nature will allow me the power to interact with the element I want to deal with, but to me it still is not the same as talking to whom controls and allows that quality to be used in magic and in life.

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From my point of view. The elements ARE the universe. Working with them and learning of them and from them IS in part forming a connection to the universe.

 

Would it be fair of me to say I think it is not the elements you are talking of but an expression of what it is you consider to be divine.

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From my point of view. The elements ARE the universe. Working with them and learning of them and from them IS in part forming a connection to the universe.

 

Would it be fair of me to say I think it is not the elements you are talking of but an expression of what it is you consider to be divine.

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Very well said. We think alike.

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That's ok. This isn't in books or songs. At least not that I'm aware of.

I don't read books.

 

I get confused on this site too, and after re-reading a post a few times I understand the words have another meaning then on the first read.

 

 

I dont know what books or songs have to with anything... other than books and songs tend to make sense.  

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I'm rather new, and my limited experience with Elementals is as forces. I have not experienced them as beings. I have experienced spirits of the dead, The Spirit of the Land, Nature beings I can see and talk to and hear rather impatient commentary from.

Don't know if I can explain, but will try.

 

My awareness of Elementals is they are the forces that hold existing things together. As example, what I literally see as the "fire between the atoms". It's what I touch to make magic go. If I add any more words to that, I just get lost.

 

Spirits of the dead are the intelligence that remains coherent and responsive after life expires. It "can" be non-human and I think I have been in touch with a few (animal & tree) but mostly it's human. I have not worked with ancestors, only with spirit-guides as teachers, and some saints who have been extremely helpful. I see them and hear them.

 

Nature Spirits you are all probably familiar with, and there is an incredible variation of experiences. I do see them as physical, solid beings. I hear them talk. In actual words, sometimes with smells and gestures. the first time a squirrel spoke directly to me I nearly fainted, but was getting used to it by the time the rose bush spoke.

 

Spirit of the Land I have experienced as motion, a magnetic force rolling through the ground beneath my feet as geese flew over head, following a ley line on their migration south. Then as a reaching-out consciousness, inquiring what I would do with the awareness. Naturally, I cried.

 

There is a certain communal Spirit that unites it all together, off-planet life and matter as well as earth-centered. It is BIG and each little thing is part of it. ... From string/particle, atomic structure into physical matter, and all Beings. there is another non-physical, what stuff is before it is energy, still part of all this before I can't get my head around any more.

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Now, after having written that (and taken a break) let me add, that with the exception of my spirit guide, I did not seek these encounters or experiences. They just happen. They have deeply shaped my faith in life. I don't have knowledge of how to contact-at-will the Nature Spirits, Spirit of the Land, etc. Just my spirit guides, but again, I reach out and they are there. I operate by sheer dumb luck. The older I get, the more I cringe realizing the could-have-happens. It's not courage because i don't have brains enough to know what's at risk until after the fact. The Tarot Fool card, that's me. In another post I wrote about *almost* being struck by lightening, twice. Yup. 30 years ago, at my self-dedication, I stood barefoot in a thunderstorm, at the butt end of a steel athame and called the Thunder Lord. Of course lightening struck. Why wouldn't it!?

 

As for Elementals, I don't call them, they are just there, doing what they do. I stumble into more stuff than I want to admit to. It's a helluva way to operate. I have heard voices since I was a kid, playing in the woods out back; and I knew, and never questioned, that everything was conscious. I never lost that growing up, and just added to it. Maybe that is an explanation.

 

So-o now, into my 60's, I want to understand...why.

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Oh- well, it's the over soul giving me a lesson by speaking through the squirrel and the rose. OS is one with all life and can do things like that. Spontaneous psychic phenomenon, same thing.

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Ah, excuse me, I misunderstood. When you said " I also got my answer as to why, from another topic. " I thought you meant you got an answer from reading another topic on the forum and was curious where that was.

 

I am very slightly familiar with the term "over soul." Emerson wrote an essay called "over-soul." Also some one? wrote a book called "The Education of Oversoul Seven". Is this a common metaphysical term that I have just not heard much, or are your thoughts on the OS related to one of these sources? What you have said so far reminds me of "The Education of Oversoul Seven", but I'm just curious where your coming from on this.

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That was a Jane Roberts book that you mentioned.  She uses that term in the Seth teachings.

 

I wasn't a follower of that but I did have to understand that concept in a way...It was shown to me as a bulb of garlic, with many cloves and I think the 'oversoul' of the Seth teachings describes a soul family.

 

We all have different terms we use to explain our 'higher self' or the personification of creation and how that works with an individual. Guidance comes from the same source but the experience is unique for each person. Zombee uses the term oversoul because that is how she was taught.  I would use a different term to describe the same concept. 

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Yes, Oversoul 7 and the group soul experience was the route I went, back in the day. And I had started a post asking if others here ever worked with the OS or higher self. I suppose there are lots of names for it. Belle, did you want to share your version?

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My version is too complicated to explain...It's the same idea, slightly different application.

 

But I did have to learn about that, so it is a valid concept as I was taught. 

 

I always refer to my Watchamacallit as 'my guardians' but that is absolutely not the right term. It is just what I think people can understand. It really kind of turns my stomach to have to use terms that are 'wrong' but communication requires common words to convey an idea, so I make do. 

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If I'm honest, I must say that much new age philosophy leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That being said, I'm a firm believer in not throwing the baby out with the bath water- there is wisdom to be found under many rocks regardless of the label on the rock. So, I appreciate the explanation and clarification.

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I realize the conversation is totally off topic, so to put in my 2 cents about the elements, I use astrology to work with that concept...I use astrology for much of what I do and that is nature and the elements of earth, fire, water and air are key concepts. Every person that I encounter is influenced by these elements in a unique way. Human beings are nature spirits. 

 

I can talk to anything and it'll talk back, but I don't do that usually. It just isn't that helpful when there are so many other effective ways to get my guidance.

 

I mentioned on another thread that I was shown the concept of the oversoul as a garlic bulb...This was a theme at the time and I drew a lot of pictures of garlic bulbs. I knew what it was supposed to be about, but I didn't get it at the time. It is a single bulb with many cloves. Now I have much greater understanding about that lesson...We use the term that best conveys our experience. I don't use the term 'oversoul' but if I were speaking to somebody who uses that term then I would want to know what their understanding was. My understanding is similar but I use different terminology. 

 

I am not really a fan of New Age stuff either but that was the single lesson I was supposed to learn from the Seth teachings. It is absolutely true that we are guided to learn what we need to know and it will find us.  I think the Seth teachings were pretty good overall for the time period. That was a door opener for a lot of people.

 

Different strokes for different folks. 

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SachaX, you are totally correct about

moon lodge. It's an area we retreat to during our moon to relax and recharge. We are not allowed to touch anything spiritual during that time cause are power is so great we will drain the medicine out of it. I'm half lakota oglala half euro but lived in pine ridge rez for a while and did the ceremonies till the throwing of the ball. A lot of my fam still there. You are correct in your assumption.

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Again, a quote would have made it easier to know what you were responding to. SachaX most likely will not ever see this though, as he is no longer a member here. This is indicated under the profile pic.

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