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#1 Ceres

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 11:16 PM

Dream Divination has been used here for centuries.

According to the level of the practitioner dreams can be caused using substances or just by a procedure before sleep.

Most witches here use herbs to cause their dreams or even potions.

I usually use my dreaming pillow which is made out of herbs.

But sometimes when I haven't caused any dreams for a long time or it's something important that I should learn I get those dreams.

But in my dreams not all parts are true and everything is being symbolised as something.

Well I'm asking you if you have any idea about this kind of divination and if anyone is practising.

Last night I had a real weird dream that I can't explain at all. But it was one of those dreams I can tell the difference and anyone who is practising this kind of divination knows the difference.

Anyone?

 

*I searched the forum but there 's nothing in hear about dreaming or at least I couldn't find anything.



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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:01 AM

Hi C, not quite sure what you are asking?

#3 Whiterose

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:31 AM

Are you speaking of lucid dreaming, astral traveling, or precognitive visions? Or something else all together?



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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:35 AM

Although I occasionally receive messages from spirit guides via dreams, I consider dream divination to be one of the least reliable forms.  Too many opportunities for your psyche to assert itself and create a bias or misleading impression.



#5 Ceres

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:34 PM

Dream Divination comes from my ancient tradition. It's said that god Asklipios (a small god of cure) gave his secrets to the witches here in my area. One of those secrets was dream divination. People used to beleive that this small god used to cure people through there dreams but not only. All around Greece people are translating their dreams but not all dreams are prophetic. There are many different ways to get a prediction through a dream or a prophetic dream. Each one is different. We distinguish 10 categories of dreams and not all of them are for divination even though each one category has something to tell us. Depending of what you want you can cause a prophetic dream or a prediction dream or (what J said) guidance dreams where you come in touch with spiritual guides and more. Of course I must agree that without the proper knowledge and guidance dream divination is not really reliable but if you practise it you know the difference.

Sumerians, Egyptians (the Great Pyramid), Assyrians, Babylonians, Jews, early Christians, Chinese and more used to have and some of them still have similar practises. There used to be even temples and special places where you could go and get one of those dreams. There are some well known practises of getting a prophetic dream. During prophetic or prediction dreams you see actual facts and hidden messages that show you the details that will help you to be ready for those situations.
 

Lucid dreams, astral dreams are all types of dreaming (remember 10 categories) but we can have a dream of prediction (divination dream), a prophetic dream (quite rare and it's also a type of divination), a nightmare (they usually help as to understand better what scares us and keeps us behind in life), psycological dreams (that have to do whith anything that can affect our psycology and our biology), repeated dreams (they usually don't have any messages and are just pictures from our subconscious mind), guidance dream (as J said before), dreams connected with our soul (they have to do with the dipper understanding of our own existance and soul) and telepathic dreams (which actually are a gift, an  ability and not many people can have them, you can see real facts that happen at the moment or close to that moment)

 

I practise dream divination almost since ever. My grandmother used to do so, my aunt, my mother. I can understand the symbols and the type of my dreams almost always, ofcourse some times is just harder cause there is not a specific label that shows you the type of the dream. So yes it's very easy for your psycology to create a misleading impression or think that an other type of dream to be a prognostic dream but it's a type of divination that if you know how to practise can show you so many things.

 

So I hear you people, your opinion! :wink:



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:13 AM

My boyfriend will dream something and have it happen. I feel like I have no natural talent in that area so it's something that I would like to learn. I agree that it's a bit hard to say what is real and what is just your psyche leading you, though. I have strange abstract dreams as well so "decoding" them is a whole other hurdle.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 02:39 AM

I am not one to chop things up in to ity bity bite sized pieces and label them, so I don't agree with those categories.  There are bits and pieces of those different categories in every dream, that is why I feel that only the person dreaming it (subjective experience) can accurately interpret it.  There are common themes in dreams that relate to things most humans experience and therefore those can, with some degree of accuracy, be interpreted by others such as dreaming of predators or falling off a cliff, but for dreams that are more personal and have personal symbolism that is only relevant to the dreamer, it would be inaccurate if interpreted by an outsider. I have had a precognitive dream foretelling the death event of loved one using a messenger spirit that I had feared previously.  That's like, 4 of those categories in one and interpreted by another person who not know my personal symbolism and fears, the message would not have gotten across as well.  Its rarely that black and white.  Messages in dreams go beyond what can be expressed in words as there are many different layers of meaning and that's why I think its an art form that is very individualized and one where only experience and life lived can prove it valid. 

 

Its a very interesting subject, I agree, and I think you will find many people on here take stock in dreams as a form of divination but I think you will also find that many on here know the limited accuracy of such a method as well.  As was mentioned, the psyche of the person has the capacity to influence the person's own dreams, but also many things in the other world can influence dreams, for benefit or bane. There is much lore in all those cultures mentioned and some not mentioned of such things, demons or trickster spirits that can enter and tamper with dreams.

 

With all that said, I am a person that has "dreams that come true" or whatever you want to call them.  Dream interpretation is a part of my craft that I find has value as it has given me a heads up on many different situations and a insight in to my own personal drama.  Its not an art one can really teach or learn from others in my opinion. Dreams can be useful divination but one really has to be careful with interpretations. 



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 02:56 AM

I am not one to chop things up in to ity bity bite sized pieces and label them, so I don't agree with those categories.  . . .  Its not an art one can really teach or learn from others in my opinion. Dreams can be useful divination but one really has to be careful with interpretations. 

 

What she said . . .

 

(I love when you read my mind, Whiterose.  Just stay out of my dreams.)
 



#9 Whiterose

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 03:03 AM

What she said . . .

 

(I love when you read my mind, Whiterose.  Just stay out of my dreams.)
 

 

LOL!  I bet that's a scary place....



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:57 PM

People are always asking me about their dreams - especially the strange ones.  Maybe I just know them well enough to know what a lot of their personal symbols are and even then it sometimes ends up with a 'wow, that was weird.'  LOL  Other times - I'm dead on.  Is that divining their dreams?  Being able to figure out what they mean?  Maybe, but I can't do it with any degree of accuracy or surety.  For me - it's hit or miss. 

 

I do think that dream divination is art.  I don't think that there are many people well practiced in it today.  I don't discount it simply because I haven't been trained in it.  There are many things that I've just scratched the surface of that other people or other cultures have delved to the depths of.  My ignorance of it doesn't make it any less real for those that have studied it, trained it it and/or have the natural ability for it.

 

When I'm learning something new I like the itty bitty pieces.  It makes it easier to analyze and see how they all interact.  Once the intricacies of something is learned then it becomes a cohesive whole.

 

There is so much more out there to learn.  If I discounted everything I came across that I know little about - I'd never learn anything new.  What I know today is more than I did yesterday and hopefully less than I'll know tomorrow. 


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#11 Ceres

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 08:03 PM

I'm so sick that I can't even think ...

I just want to ask you if you would/could/or already do use special methods to get answers through your dreams.

I will elaborate another day cause I'm dying right now sorry... :sick:



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:34 PM

I've never had that relationship with dreams. Would probably acknowledge a warning...most of my memorable dreams are introductions to another place or plane and even those are rare.

 For divination I'll stick to Tarot or Runes. :vhappywitch:

 Hope you feel better soon Ceres.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:53 PM

As I am also from a Greek background, I was raised with the idea that dreams that meaning. When I was little my grandma used to live with us, and every morning she would ask us about our dreams. She would then consult some really old dream interpretation book and tell us what it meant. For the most part it was never too bad, except if you dreamt of onions. Onions were the worst thing ever! No idea why this is.

 

I never really believed in dream divination, until I became a teenager and as Whiterose put it I started having 'dreams that come true'. Sometimes they are warnings, and these have a different feel to them, and sometimes it is a scene that happens exactly the same way in the my waking day as in the dream. However, this form of divination is not really reliable in my experience, or easily called upon for use, so I typically reach for my Tarot cards if I feel the need.

 

-Moonstone

 

Edit: I just realized that my dad brought the dream interpretation book with him from his last trip to Greece. If anyone has any burning questions about their dreams I can look it up. Not sure how accurate it is though :smile:


Edited by moonstone, 05 December 2013 - 04:59 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 10:27 PM

I have a love/hate relationship with my dreams. At one point I tried keeping a dream journal and looking into symbolism and stuff but I never really stuck with it. At this point, I really don't remember my dreams at all. I think the coolest thing that I can say about my dreams is that when I was younger I would occasionally dream about something that would happen. Of course it was nothing spectacular. Just for an example, I had a dream about decorating a Mardi Gras type mask and then about a week later went to this carnival where this table was set up with different mask, feathers, and beads. So, I'm standing their gluing feathers and beads on this stupid mask and suddenly I realized I experienced what I was doing before in my dream and it was the weirdest feeling...talk about Deja Vu (which I get a lot but that's another story).

 

Otherwise, I either never have any dreams I remember or I have dreams about flying(usually outside, occasionally in my house. I love those dreams but rarely ever happen anymore). Oh, and dreams where I'm trapped (that's the part I hate. Well, and not having any at all.) Like this one dream I would repeatedly have of being trapped in a bouncy house and I would literally have to kick myself awake... I couldn't wake myself up, couldn't get out of this stupid inflatable thing and I would just start kicking in my dream and wake up like that. I've have that dream, same one, over 20 times. So, if you can figure that one out for me that would be awesome...weirdest thing.

 

Outside of the fact that it can be used as a divination tool, I would love to get hooked up to a machine and see what's going on in my head when I'm sleeping. I apparently move around a lot, talk in my sleep, I was told by somebody that when they tried to wake me up I literally sat up and slapped them across the face and then laid back down (I don't remember that...I mean, who does that?). So I definitely plan on going to see a specialist at some point and seeing what's going on when I'm sleeping or I think my SO will end up sleeping on the couch more often that not. I think he's getting tired of getting punched and smacked in the face while he's sleeping lol.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:31 PM

 Hope you feel better soon Ceres.

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Thanks B I feel better now, good old chamomile!

 

As I am also from a Greek background, I was raised with the idea that dreams that meaning. When I was little my grandma used to live with us, and every morning she would ask us about our dreams. She would then consult some really old dream interpretation book and tell us what it meant. For the most part it was never too bad, except if you dreamt of onions. Onions were the worst thing ever! No idea why this is.

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My grandmother used to do the same thing with me. I remember that, my sister once had saw herself dressed in a wedding dress and the next day she had a serius accident that was the last time everybody spoken about dreams in our house. It was a really bad prediction that nobady really wanted to know. Anyway, I do use my deck and coffee reading appart from dreams. Just sometimes I see dreams that come true in a strange way, usually I have symbolic dreams about dangers or about my dark self, especially that one.

 

Outside of the fact that it can be used as a divination tool, I would love to get hooked up to a machine and see what's going on in my head when I'm sleeping. I apparently move around a lot, talk in my sleep, I was told by somebody that when they tried to wake me up I literally sat up and slapped them across the face and then laid back down (I don't remember that...I mean, who does that?). So I definitely plan on going to see a specialist at some point and seeing what's going on when I'm sleeping or I think my SO will end up sleeping on the couch more often that not. I think he's getting tired of getting punched and smacked in the face while he's sleeping lol.

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There is a syndrome (restless dream syndrome or something) when you actually fight in your dreams. A specialist could help you, my mother is quiet annoying in here sleep, she usually says a different story to my father every night. And my sister is worst, you can chat with her and she NEVER shuts up! She can't keep a secret EVER!



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 07:12 AM

I tend to not work dreams because I am aware of different psychology/neuroscience theories (I work in these areas) which state that dreams are a way of organizing information, such as thoughts, stuff we've learned, people we've seen throughout the day, etc. But if I have recurring dreams or something tells me to look into it, I will analyze.


Woman, I saw you riding on a fence switch with loose hair and belt, in the troll skin, at the time when day and night are equal.” -Reference from C. E. Law of Vastgotaland
 

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:33 PM

 I apparently move around a lot, talk in my sleep, I was told by somebody that when they tried to wake me up I literally sat up and slapped them across the face and then laid back down (I don't remember that...I mean, who does that?). So I definitely plan on going to see a specialist at some point and seeing what's going on when I'm sleeping or I think my SO will end up sleeping on the couch more often that not. I think he's getting tired of getting punched and smacked in the face while he's sleeping lol.

 

People have been telling me that I was a violent sleeper for as long as I can remember, often showing me the bruises as proof lol. When I wasn't kicking, and slapping people I would talk, a lot. And I also could not keep secrets in my sleep. This all stopped suddenly a few months ago when I started shielding myself before going to bed. My husband is quite thankful as he actually gets to sleep at night now, and like your SO he was going to move to the couch very shortly 

 

While you should still consider seeing a specialist to rule out any medical concerns, perhaps try shielding before going to bed. It can take months to see a specialist. With shielding you might get a quicker solution to your issue. Good luck! I know what a pain it can be.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:58 PM

Thanks for the advice, I'll have to give that a try. I never really bothered trying to fix it through magical means because I figured it was just a "brain issue" lol but maybe that will actually help me, hopefully. I'm thinking because I have horrible anxiety it's probably related to that in some way though.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:55 PM

You could always use a sleeping pillow (well something like that) stuffed with herbs that help you cope with your anxiety.

Shielding is also a good idea!

 

 

Edit: I loooooove herbs as you may have noticed! :P


Edited by Ceres, 14 December 2013 - 10:56 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 04:17 AM

Thanks for the advice, I'll have to give that a try. I never really bothered trying to fix it through magical means because I figured it was just a "brain issue" lol but maybe that will actually help me, hopefully. I'm thinking because I have horrible anxiety it's probably related to that in some way though.

 

Why would you think that you could not fix (or at least improve upon) a "brain issue" with magical intervention?  You, personally, might not be able to cure your "brain issues", but I see no reason why magic could not be employed to assist with mitigating the negative impact of sleep problems, even if they are related to anxiety.  Depending on the nature of the problem and your power and ability, casting a spell on yourself could help . . . doubt it would hurt, much, anyway.