
The Use of the Dark Energies
#1
Guest_justme_*
Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:17 PM
However, I have had some strong experiences with this that I want to share and would welcome feedback.
First before I ever considered using the title witch with myself, I knew that when I really willed something into being - it happened. So when my husband had an affair on me with the same woman for the second time and we both realized we were done, I decided it was very unfair for her to be able to step into all the work that we had built together. This was a long term marriage and we had built a business together, restored a victorian home, and basically built a life. I felt damned if I was just going to be replaced and have this woman walk into the fruits of my labor, and I knew she would eventually during the first affair they had. My daughter was still in school and I wanted to keep things together for a while longer for her sake. So I looked right at him, with no forethought but every intention of my being, and told him, if you do this, you will lose everything we have built together. I specifically put the "built together" exception because he had bought the house on his own before me and in my mind he deserved to keep it (maybe not looking the way it did......lol)
He of course looked at me like yeah, right.
Well over the next year he got fired from his job, the auction business failed, and he came up to my place of employment and told me that a storm had come and blown open the french windows in our old bedroom and all around the four walls water poured in from the ceilings - not the windows. But the room was ruined. He was really freaked out. And when he sees me now - he runs. literally.
Okay all well and good but I used the money we built in our 401K which I got since he kept the house, to buy myself a beautiful Honda Van. I paid for it in cash. Well after about a year of owning it, it started having a little trouble......The transmission when out and I spent 4500 replacing it. Drove it for 6 mos and was leaving work one day and the engine just failed. gone. So we had it hauled in and it would be another 4 or 5 thousand to have it fixed. I said no and left it with the garage for the cost of it being towed and looked at (which is about all it was worth by this time) They fixed the engine and this little christian family bought it and within 6 mos. he called me at work wanting to know about the transmission because it had gone out - again. I told him to ditch the van, that it was cursed. He thought I was joking - I wasn't.
I didn't consider this dark magic - just justice. Even after losing the van I still didn't want that woman in my home getting the fruits of all my labor - but I did pay a price. Probably because the spell wasn't specific enough - i should have told him she will never reap the rewards of my work or something along this nature. But I paid a big price.
Second dark energy spell also before I became a "witch"
I was up here single and having the time of my life. I was quite the belle of the ball because I wouldn't sleep with any of the people I was hanging out with so they were all flirting with me ect and I was having a great time. But one guy really really wanted to date me and I didn't want to date him. It just didn't interest me. So he stared becoming very malicious and spreading rumors and lies about me and being really mean and disrespectful to me in public - like if I can't have you no body will. So I woke up one morning after he had been really nasty and pretty much ruined my evening and mirrored back all of his negative hateful energy to his man parts. I watched them shrivel up and cursed him with all of my anger. I was pissed. So of course all came true. he fell in love with another girl and she just ate him for lunch. Also he lost his job, became destitute, and had to move. All my friends came back.
BUT.....I started having female bleeding problems to the point where within 2 years I was in intensive care bleeding so heavily that my heart beat was over 189 beats per a minute I had lost so much blood. I got better but it was a little scary.
So I don't know. I have been a little hestitant to use my dark energies while very angry on specific people. Now I do use the energy of destruction regularly - but don't consider it dark.
When I became a witch my familar gave me, herself, the 4 elements, the moon and the energy of a hawk (that is a very very very trippy story - not the one i have shared here on this board) to use in spells. The moon I use to create and destroy. And I was told to become one with all the elements - the love them, feel them, be them, rule them. I had a problem with fire at first - it intimidated me but I knew if I was out of whack with one, it would cause problems. So I studied fire, played with it, talked to it and looked at both sides of its energy. I love fire now. And same for all of the other elements - I love water but look at a picture of a huge storm at sea and its a little intimidating.....
enough said - so I get the use of dark energy but my question would be how do you protect yourself from the consequences if you really need to let someone have it?
#2
Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:22 PM
So, you think that because you magically kicked your husband's cheating ass, you incurred some punishment in the form of "bleeding". Is that right?
I am sure others will have different opinions, but to me, personally, that thinking (no offense, really) speaks of three-fold, new-age, karma bullshit, which has nothing to do with Traditional Witchcraft. There might be unintended outcomes of a magical working, but no retribution or punishment for being a naughty, little Witch.
I work exclusively with ancestors, but even for those who work with godforms, I can't imagine anyone here choosing to work with any entity that would scold them for taking care of business. Shit, my family, both living and dead, would hold him down, while I sawed off his dick with a rusty knife. They would praise, not punish me.
BTW, what part of what you believe you did would you count as negative (or in your words, dark)? In my mind, that was a pretty positive outcome. He suffered, horribly. If I were in your shoes, I'd have been pretty damned pleased with all that.
There are threads about some of the other stuff, familiars, elements, etc, that you mentioned located throughout the forum. The search button can be helpful, or if you need assistance, let someone know, and we will find it for you.
#3
Guest_justme_*
Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:27 PM
I agree with what you are saying that energy just is - it is neither good or bad which is what confused me about the label dark. I personally don't believe in the general use of the word evil. it is too subjective. To me it was "evil" that my husband cheated, but to him it wasn't - he found happiness with someone else. I moved on and have had a very nice life. So it all just kind of goes around and around. What may be seen as evil can end up being good and what may be seen as good can end up being destructive.
But I do know from my own personal experience that the two times I used magic to cause destruction to other people using the energy of my anger, both well deserving of the destruction imo, it also "seemed" to come into my life also.
The first instance I think it was due to the choice of the wording - you know you have to be soooo specific and the money spent on that van was all money earned while we were together.
The second I am not sure about with the bleeding whether it was even connected or just coincidental. I was at prime age for that to happen naturally anyway.
But I am a little skittish now. Magic is real. The consequences are real. energy doesn't think - it doesn't go, oh, she said this but I know this is what she meant. So yes, I have a very healthy respect for my own ability to fuck things up. and because of my ability to cast, I know I can do it well. I don't like pain.....lol.
I don't beleive in the wiccan bullshit at all. or karma even, If anything I believe in chaos. But energy out and energy in. for some reason this happened and I want to know why and how to prevent it in the future.
Any one who has any thoughts please share.
#4
Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:31 PM
Best wishes.
#5
Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:55 PM
"The truth about the world, he said, is that anything is possible. Had you not seen it from birth and thereby bled it of its strangeness it would appear to you for what it is, a hat trick in a medicine show, a fevered dream, a trance bepopulate with chimeras having neither analogue nor precedent, an itinerant carnival, a migratory tentshow whose ultimate destination after many a pitch in many a mudded field is unspeakable and calamitous beyond reckoning." - Cormac McCarthy
#6
Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:41 PM
Why do you correlate the events that happened to you to what you did to your ex-husband? Nobody is guaranteed a charmed life. Sometimes bad things just happen to people. You caused the destruction of his house, a business, and got him fired from his job...while you had a car break down. Car is going to break down eventually, anyway, is it not? I don't understand why you connect these events.
What Aurelian said. In the first case, I can at least see WHY you might connect them because they dealt with money you and your husband had made together, but the second one? Not so much.... I would focus more on the fact that you had two WILDLY successful spells and less on the fear of something happening to you if you use "dark" energies. Just my $.02.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
-=Frank Herbert=-
Rock on, gold dust woman. Take your silver spoon and dig your grave.
#7
Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:06 AM
Energy is Alternating Current-Directing Current, ( AC-DC ) and not in the sexual content. Energy is double-gaited, Energy hits both ways. In my opininion, the manifestation of Magic applied and directed by the Witch, to pin it on consequences as to the outcome, is un-realistic, in my mind. When a Witch can open up a working and can close down a working.
Regards,
Gypsy
Edited by CelticGypsy, 05 March 2013 - 12:07 AM.
" The last thing you wanted a Witch to do is get bored and start making her own amusements, because Witches sometimes have erratically famous ideas about what was amusing "
Terry Pratchett Legends 1
#8
Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:24 AM
#9
Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:59 AM
-Oscar Wilde
#10
Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:12 AM
#11
Guest_justme_*
Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:53 AM
So I would like to know more about using dark energies in spells. I would certainly agree that anger is passion. and passion fuels energy - like putting high test in your car instead of regular. I believe very much in the power of love. But I also believe that there are other energies at work outside of us and sometimes they can be very strong and not at all interested in love. Sometimes, we have to fight fire with fire. Plus, I want to experience myself fully as a witch. Fully to me means accepting all aspects of myself, both love and hate.
Anyone have any thoughts on using dark energies in spells and also building protections around oneself?
#12
Guest_justme_*
Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:03 PM
Edited by justme, 05 March 2013 - 12:05 PM.
#13
Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:01 PM

Brea
#14
Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:06 PM
-Oscar Wilde
#15
Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

Edited by Whiterose, 05 March 2013 - 07:51 PM.
#16
Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:51 PM
So I would like to know more about using dark energies in spells. I would certainly agree that anger is passion. and passion fuels energy - like putting high test in your car instead of regular. I believe very much in the power of love. But I also believe that there are other energies at work outside of us and sometimes they can be very strong and not at all interested in love. Sometimes, we have to fight fire with fire. Plus, I want to experience myself fully as a witch. Fully to me means accepting all aspects of myself, both love and hate.
Anyone have any thoughts on using dark energies in spells and also building protections around oneself?
I don't subscribe to "Light energy" or "Dark energy". Energy just is. You can tap in to the life/creative current or the death/destructive current and use either for light or dark workings. I think though, from your post you already know how to tap in to the destructive current.
As for the protection thing...there are umpteen million threads on that so I won't answer that one.

#17
Guest_justme_*
Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:58 PM
But I had the biggest ah ha moment today. I realized what I had done with both spells. I have always intuitively felt that my consequences were linked to these spells because I rarely get sick or have anything bad happen to me.
So I was thinking back about what I was really feeling/thinking when I cast. I felt both times the spells were deserved but I also felt I was partially responsible for the relationship ending in my husband's case, and in the case of the guy, I had told him I wasn't going to sleep with him and wasn't attracted to him but I let him do a lot of stuff for me. So I did have this guilt for being partially responsible myself. But the guilt was caused by my applying some sense of justice were everything should be fair (according to me) Then I realized bs. I need to allow myself to just want what I want, do what I want to do and if need be take what I want to take. It is the law of nature that the strong survive. The lion doesn't go, geez, I shouldn't have killed that gazelle because he was smaller than me. He just takes what he needs to take. I have the power to cast and my will is really strong. Now I just need to get over the fluff bunny stuff. I think you guys might make a proper witch of me yet.........
#18
Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:15 PM
It is awesome that you have access to so many bottles... there's a million uses for them.
Edited by Lilikate, 05 March 2013 - 08:20 PM.
-Oscar Wilde
#19
Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:47 PM
We live in the "me" culture of instant gratification. Early man lived in the culture of survival against all odds. We live in a culture where the humans are the new gods and it's all about us, us, us, understanding our inner selves, happiness above balance, happiness above respect, happiness above responsibility. And it's created a culture who can never be happy becuase they're always looking for more. The energies (or the earth for that matter) don't give a shit about our inner selves. The inherent drive of the earth as a natural planet is survival of the planet. And the practice of the craft (to me) in any spiritual-religious context is living within the streams of that balance and knowing how to manuver through them. And magic is learning how to work WITH both of the extremes of the energies (and all in between) to better our lives/survival without inhibiting the natural balance of the planet. But these energies are not out to either get or to save any one particular person. They are just catch-names for the powers that exist within the forces of nature that can be tapped into by the astute human.
M
Edited by Michele, 07 March 2013 - 10:49 PM.
#20
Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:51 AM
The wording threw me off on this concept because I have never considered them "dark" just opposites.
However, I have had some strong experiences with this that I want to share and would welcome feedback.
First before I ever considered using the title witch with myself, I knew that when I really willed something into being - it happened. So when my husband had an affair on me with the same woman for the second time and we both realized we were done, I decided it was very unfair for her to be able to step into all the work that we had built together. This was a long term marriage and we had built a business together, restored a victorian home, and basically built a life. I felt damned if I was just going to be replaced and have this woman walk into the fruits of my labor, and I knew she would eventually during the first affair they had. My daughter was still in school and I wanted to keep things together for a while longer for her sake. So I looked right at him, with no forethought but every intention of my being, and told him, if you do this, you will lose everything we have built together. I specifically put the "built together" exception because he had bought the house on his own before me and in my mind he deserved to keep it (maybe not looking the way it did......lol)
He of course looked at me like yeah, right.
Well over the next year he got fired from his job, the auction business failed, and he came up to my place of employment and told me that a storm had come and blown open the french windows in our old bedroom and all around the four walls water poured in from the ceilings - not the windows. But the room was ruined. He was really freaked out. And when he sees me now - he runs. literally.
Okay all well and good but I used the money we built in our 401K which I got since he kept the house, to buy myself a beautiful Honda Van. I paid for it in cash. Well after about a year of owning it, it started having a little trouble......The transmission when out and I spent 4500 replacing it. Drove it for 6 mos and was leaving work one day and the engine just failed. gone. So we had it hauled in and it would be another 4 or 5 thousand to have it fixed. I said no and left it with the garage for the cost of it being towed and looked at (which is about all it was worth by this time) They fixed the engine and this little christian family bought it and within 6 mos. he called me at work wanting to know about the transmission because it had gone out - again. I told him to ditch the van, that it was cursed. He thought I was joking - I wasn't.
I didn't consider this dark magic - just justice. Even after losing the van I still didn't want that woman in my home getting the fruits of all my labor - but I did pay a price. Probably because the spell wasn't specific enough - i should have told him she will never reap the rewards of my work or something along this nature. But I paid a big price.
Second dark energy spell also before I became a "witch"
I was up here single and having the time of my life. I was quite the belle of the ball because I wouldn't sleep with any of the people I was hanging out with so they were all flirting with me ect and I was having a great time. But one guy really really wanted to date me and I didn't want to date him. It just didn't interest me. So he stared becoming very malicious and spreading rumors and lies about me and being really mean and disrespectful to me in public - like if I can't have you no body will. So I woke up one morning after he had been really nasty and pretty much ruined my evening and mirrored back all of his negative hateful energy to his man parts. I watched them shrivel up and cursed him with all of my anger. I was pissed. So of course all came true. he fell in love with another girl and she just ate him for lunch. Also he lost his job, became destitute, and had to move. All my friends came back.
BUT.....I started having female bleeding problems to the point where within 2 years I was in intensive care bleeding so heavily that my heart beat was over 189 beats per a minute I had lost so much blood. I got better but it was a little scary.
So I don't know. I have been a little hestitant to use my dark energies while very angry on specific people. Now I do use the energy of destruction regularly - but don't consider it dark.
When I became a witch my familar gave me, herself, the 4 elements, the moon and the energy of a hawk (that is a very very very trippy story - not the one i have shared here on this board) to use in spells. The moon I use to create and destroy. And I was told to become one with all the elements - the love them, feel them, be them, rule them. I had a problem with fire at first - it intimidated me but I knew if I was out of whack with one, it would cause problems. So I studied fire, played with it, talked to it and looked at both sides of its energy. I love fire now. And same for all of the other elements - I love water but look at a picture of a huge storm at sea and its a little intimidating.....
enough said - so I get the use of dark energy but my question would be how do you protect yourself from the consequences if you really need to let someone have it?
Howdy!

I read a few posts into this and decided I'd better respond before I have to go offline. As J said and you agreed, there is only energy. It's a tool.
Now sometimes hexes and curses can do a bit of a ricochet on you, that you have to watch out for, but none of this suffering massively due to a cast spell bit. Taint the way it is.

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