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#1 Roanna

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:47 PM

I'm questioning one of my own beliefs here. I've always thought of titles as being rather Wiccan and that people who like to call themselves ""The Grand High Priestess of all that is Witchy...." are a bit pretentious. Especially when there is no obvious reason as to why a person has granted themselves a title except that they like the sound of it or its an excuse to big themselves up a bit. (Its similar in the world of BDSM when everybody claims the right to be a Master....irritating for those who have genuinely walked the path with experience and earned the title).

In honesty I don't think I could keep a straight face if I introduced myself with a title - the nearest I get is the Degu Witch (and to be fair, I am a witch and I do have degus....so I'm not making any false claims there!)

Having said that though I'd be interested to know if anyone disagrees and use a title themselves for a specific purpose. Obviously nobody on here is a Wiccan so do any of you ever feel the urge to use a title and if so (and only if you're happy to share of course) I'd be really intrigued to know what part it plays in your craft?

(I bet someone cleverer than me manages to find a previous thread on this but when I had a look the threads seemed to be more about magical names than actual titles and that's a whole different question.)

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:21 PM

"Mistress high virgin priestess, hereditary ruler of the 29 coveens and elven princess of the multitudinous elf hordes." Bow down before me you scum...

Oh wait.. you asked for reality not my fantasies.....

LOL just plain old Tana is all I need.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:23 PM

I'm questioning one of my own beliefs here. I've always thought of titles as being rather Wiccan and that people who like to call themselves ""The Grand High Priestess of all that is Witchy...." are a bit pretentious. Especially when there is no obvious reason as to why a person has granted themselves a title except that they like the sound of it or its an excuse to big themselves up a bit. (Its similar in the world of BDSM when everybody claims the right to be a Master....irritating for those who have genuinely walked the path with experience and earned the title).

In honesty I don't think I could keep a straight face if I introduced myself with a title - the nearest I get is the Degu Witch (and to be fair, I am a witch and I do have degus....so I'm not making any false claims there!)

Having said that though I'd be interested to know if anyone disagrees and use a title themselves for a specific purpose. Obviously nobody on here is a Wiccan so do any of you ever feel the urge to use a title and if so (and only if you're happy to share of course) I'd be really intrigued to know what part it plays in your craft?

(I bet someone cleverer than me manages to find a previous thread on this but when I had a look the threads seemed to be more about magical names than actual titles and that's a whole different question.)



With all due respect here DeguWitch, titles to me, for a Witch as you described are rather exorbitant. I'm all for those who are Witches that hold titles of "author" or "PHd", or "Journeymen" and the like, they have earned that title by shear work and determination in their life, and their life is as a Witch.


Titles bestowed on one's "self" in my thoughts are ego-driven, and can put the person titling themselves in a label box. Once in the box, can one be free ?


How you made that leap of BDSM and this pondering of yours, makes me chuckle. That is a lifestyle practiced by concentual adults. Those are labels, and not necessarilly

Master/Subordinate, Master/Slave, a Sub is very different from a Slave, from what I was told, it's their internal acceptance of that "label/title"... lol ! Gads what a topic this may end up becomming ! lolol !


Self title, let's just stay....... there.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

Lol. Love the idea of a label box CG and no doubt it would be very restrictive to have a title. I didn't really think it would be "the thing" of anyone on here any more than it is my thing but its always interesting to hear other view points.

(The BDSM example arose from listening to so many of the old school "Masters" moan about the self styled wannabes who pick up a cane, deliver a few mistimed whacks and think they know all there is to know about dominating someone. It really does cause some frustrations on the scene when these types grant themselves a title that they are not perceived to have earned (I've spent many an evening in fet clubs listening to indignant complainers!) and I can see a parallel between that and some (though of course not all) of the self proclaimed "High Priestesses" and Grand High Lords out there practising magic. Maybe hiding behind a title gives some people confidence?

But yes, I've always been happy being rose. Can't see me being Grand High anything without giggling!

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

No title. I don't feel the need for one on my path. I am thinking on it, though, as I am curious as to how I feel about the relevance of titles in my own life/path. I don't think I feel they are relevant but I'm not sure yet. Got my mental wheels a turnin'!

(The BDSM example arose from listening to so many of the old school "Masters" moan about the self styled wannabes who pick up a cane, deliver a few mistimed whacks and think they know all there is to know about dominating someone. It really does cause some frustrations on the scene when these types grant themselves a title that they are not perceived to have earned (I've spent many an evening in fet clubs listening to indignant complainers!) and I can see a parallel between that and some (though of course not all) of the self proclaimed "High Priestesses" and Grand High Lords out there practising magic. Maybe hiding behind a title gives some people confidence?


"In BDSM, Master/slave or M/s is a relationship in which one individual (the submissive) gives to another (the dominant) ultimate authority over them. It is a form of dominance and submission." x A Master is a Master because s/he is viewed as such by a sub, because they have taken on the mantel of a master over a subordinate Simple as that. In a professional setting I could understand the hoopla but these old school indignant Masters are trying to be Grand Poobahs in their own right, methinks, not those taking on the title in their own relationships. They want to be regarded as super special higher-than-thous who did all the super special things to *earn* this super special title. *insert eye roll here* If that isn't like these folks floating around the internet trying to inflate their self-worth I don't know what is.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:27 PM

"Mistress high virgin priestess, hereditary ruler of the 29 coveens and elven princess of the multitudinous elf hordes." Bow down before me you scum...

Oh wait.. you asked for reality not my fantasies.....

LOL just plain old Tana is all I need.


LOL Tana!

I agree with Tana, I'm good with the name I have.

Although...now I'm feeling inspired to shop around a bit, to see if I can purchase a copy of the mask that Angelica Houston wore in The Witches. How much fun I could have, at some new age festival, wandering around telling people, "Um, no, sorry but I am ze Grand High Vitch!!" haha

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

"Um, no, sorry but I am ze Grand High Vitch!!"


And what a good one you would make!

Me? I have initials after my name and I earned them but they don't come with any fancy title. I don't have a lot of use for titles of any kind. My name is good enough for me and should be good enough for anyone else.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

I have the right to the initials "M.Ed." after my name if I choose. I earned them, but I rarely use them outside of a professional capacity.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 09:13 PM

I'm not into titles; however, there are some people I recognize as elders within a tradition and would address more formally than I would a peer and I wouldn't cuss my head off in front of them... kind of like with someone's grandma or grandpa... just plain old respect I feel they've earned. Whereas I wouldn't introduce them with a title of "elder", I would treat them as if they were one.

If someone had a role they filled that needed to be explained or pointed out at an introduction.... I've often introduced myself as "His Mother" lol.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 09:59 PM

Nope, not big into titles here either. I have no experience of covens, but I imagine even in some traditional witchcraft ones, whoever is leading the meetings might take a title. It might be just for that session or it might be for longer, I wouldn't know.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:22 PM

Got letters after my name but don't use them, don't use any titles either.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:05 PM

"Mistress high virgin priestess, . . .


That is more than a fantasy, Dear. That is a really big LIE . . . :D

Would vote this up, if I could.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:24 PM

No, fancy titles here, especially in relation to my Path. Don't get me wrong. I can be pretty damn arrogant, but a pompous title would not make me feel more important or knowledgeable. It would make me feel like an fluffy idiot. I don't even like using the title of Professor, because I feel that in general one should earn respect with their actions. I believe I have commented before on my strong distaste for people who purchase titles, but slightly worse would be someone who bestowed a title upon themselves to win favor with some group or to put themselves "above" others. That is just fucking pathetic.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:30 PM

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Thank you Gramayr for bring this into such perspective !

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:35 PM

I am still working on the title of Witch. That is more than enough for me in relation to my craft.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:54 AM

I do have a title but this was earned through hard work which lead to initiation into a particular tradition however it is not something I use often although it is a mark of attainment to a degree I suppose, I wouldn't use it unless some one asked credentials or the like. Most of the time I just use my name, it was the one my mother chose for me and I like it. I will (when I get the info on it) also have titles or letters after my name on account of completing my Herbalism but other than that... I'm happy to be known as Stacey.

Titles that are earned I am happy with, if people have put in the hard work to get that title then I don't necessarily feel as though it is right to make fun of them. However if some one reads one daft Wicca book and then runs around calling themselves Lady Priestess Avalon Mystical Moon Raven, I would find that quite hard to swallow (seriously, some of the names and titles people come up with are just frickin hilarious).

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:57 AM

Nope, I have no use for titles either.

(I had miss-typed that and put "I have no use for tities either".... :ohmy: :roflhard: )

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 06:46 AM

:rofl: So funny, WR! I have plenty use for tities, but none for titles. Education, doctorates are more than earned by hard work and I respect them very much. I know of no titles on my path and I'm not sure I could use one with a straight face, let alone pump my ego with one I self proclaimed. And I think we can all be arrogant, Jev, and some have more room to be than others, for sure, but again, self title? Ummm...No.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

Nope, no use for titles here either-not relevant on my path.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 02:38 AM

Hell yes, its ? Awwww sorry its to rude to post, heheeeee
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